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Originally posted by AuntB
A few of you have mentioned the MSM and Iran. They do and have been portraying Iran as the big bag bogey man who is going to get us. What I find odd is that the MSM basically ignored the earthquake that just happened in Iran. I also noticed that the fatalities were largely women and children. Not sure what to think on all of this.
Originally posted by ThisIsNotReality
Originally posted by avatar22
I have been watching all of this fairly closely since the beginning of the "talks".
I have yet to come to a conclusion on who is in the right on this entire thing. The MSM constantly tries to paint a dirty picture of the people of Iran, so it is difficult to gain full in-sight into what exactly is going on.
All I can say at this point is that I hope, for the citizens' sake, that Israel does not strike any time soon.
300,000 people were just hit right where it hurts with the 2 quakes last week, and their own government "seems" to be failing them.
You provided your own answer... The MSM bashes Iran non-stop, why oh why do you think that is? To steer public opinion in the direction of supporting Iran? Lol... They are making it very, VERY obvious who you are supposed to be rooting for, and who you are supposed to be hating.
Now I don't know about you, but when MSM tells me something, I tend to look at the flip side of the coin, and that's usually the actual truth, instead of the propaganda they spew on a daily basis.
Look up Ahmadinejad, look up how he lives, what he does with the money he's paid every month, look at what car he drives and what house he lives in.
NOW look up the Israeli and American fascists that want to get rid of this man, look at what cars they drive and the mansions they live in.
If that doesn't make it obvious to ANYONE, then I don't know what will.
And I don't see what the Iranian government "failing" to help the people after an earthquake has anything to do with this either, there are plenty of countries every year that fail to provide proper care for their civilians yet nobody complains about those things, an earthquake is not something you can easily be prepared for, you never know when it strikes and not where it will either. I'm sure they are doing their best, just like every other nation out there. These are troubled times for a country that is already suffering threats, public scrutiny, economic sabotage,... To deal with an earthquake, on top of that, I'm sure is NOT an easy thing.
Has anyone offered help to Iran yet? I remember when I was younger, whenever an earthquake would hit, no matter where, many nations would send funds and help, I find it really saddening this doesn't seem to be the case anymore... Are we abandoning a population for the things their government supposedly are doing? What will the rest of the world do should the US suffers massive catastrophe then?
Oh well, I guess most of use know how this will most likely end anyway, the general population has no idea they are being lied to every damn time they watch the news, they have no idea their opinions are being manipulated and they are supporting a very, very evil cause, to try and rid of a sovereign nation that has done NOTHING wrong.
Like allowing a murderer (the US, Israel,...) to own a rocket launcher, but a petty thief can't have a knife.
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The new satellite launch follows Iran's failed attempt to launch a live monkey into space in September 2011. That mission used Iran's Kavoshgar-5 rocket (Kavoshgar means "Explorer" in Farsi).
Prior to the failed monkey spaceflight, Iran had made progress in spaceflight technology. A June 2011 Safir rocket launch sent the Rasad-1 (Observation 1) satellite into orbit on an Earth-mapping mission. The country launched a Kavoshagar-3 rocket in 2010 that sent a rat, two turtles and a worm into space.
Iran launched its first domestically built satellite into space in February 2009.
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Originally posted by jonnywhite
This is the real deal folks. It's a real threat. Only a year or so away from acquiring enough nuclear material to produce a bomb, they will likely have the capability to deploy them to distant targets.
Let nobody tell you that you weren't warned.edit on 14-8-2012 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by binkman
But Iran isn't the threat. The US and Israel is, and always has been.
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Referring to the Iran negotiations led by the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council plus Germany, the minister, Danny Ayalon, told Israel Radio that those nations should “declare today that the talks have failed.” After such a declaration, if Iran does not halt its nuclear program, “it will be clear that all options are on the table,” Mr. Ayalon said, not only for Israel, but also for the United States and NATO.
Asked how long the Iranians should be given to cease all nuclear activity, Mr. Ayalon said “weeks, and not more than that.”
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Originally posted by Jobeycool
Iran will learn the hard way like Iraq did.Either this will bring in the Battle of Armegeddon or WW3 will result to conquer the evil empire part of radical islam.Not all muslums are like this.
I think after 9/11 the point of no return to destroy radical Islam will eventually happen.That means destroying their entire governments.Never know though I could be wrong.
Originally posted by binkman
Originally posted by jonnywhite
This is the real deal folks. It's a real threat. Only a year or so away from acquiring enough nuclear material to produce a bomb, they will likely have the capability to deploy them to distant targets.
Let nobody tell you that you weren't warned.edit on 14-8-2012 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)
But Iran isn't the threat. The US and Israel is, and always has been.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
Originally posted by binkman
But Iran isn't the threat. The US and Israel is, and always has been.
By golly, I guess it's all true:
www.nytimes.com - Israeli Minister Asks Nations to Say Iran Talks Have Failed ...
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Referring to the Iran negotiations led by the five permanent members of the United Nations Security Council plus Germany, the minister, Danny Ayalon, told Israel Radio that those nations should “declare today that the talks have failed.” After such a declaration, if Iran does not halt its nuclear program, “it will be clear that all options are on the table,” Mr. Ayalon said, not only for Israel, but also for the United States and NATO.
Asked how long the Iranians should be given to cease all nuclear activity, Mr. Ayalon said “weeks, and not more than that.”
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During December 2001 Mughrabi gave the ship detailed instructions to sail to the beaches of Qeshm Island, Iran.[1][2] There a ferry approached it—most likely from Iran. This ferry contained the weapons stored in 80 large wooden crates, which were transferred onto the ship. The personnel of the ship then placed these weapons in special waterproof containers—which were produced only in Iran. These containers are floatable and have a configurable system that determines how deep they are submerged.[1]
When the loading was completed the ship needed to alter its heading towards the Hodeida port, due to technical problems.[1] After the ship crossed the canal it was expected to meet with three smaller ships and to transfer the load onto them—these smaller ships were purchased in advance.[4] They were then supposed to drop the weapons near El Arish, Gaza.[4] The commander of the Palestinian Naval Police, Juma'a Ghali and his executive Fathi Ghazem, would then collect the weapons there
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Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by binkman
If I were surrounded by such overwhelming goodness I'd have the presence of mind to stop my nuclear ambitions and to put my weapons down in favor of educating my people and embracing the world community.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by binkman
If I were surrounded by such overwhelming goodness I'd have the presence of mind to stop my nuclear ambitions and to put my weapons down in favor of educating my people and embracing the world community.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
I'd stop indoctrinating my children, so I can get them a real chance at life. I'd stop funding and/or giving information/weapons to Hezbollah and Hamas and other terrorist groups.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
I'd stop my anti-western policy which is just a cover for anti-freedom policy.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
I'd stop imprisoning people for defaming Islam. I'd stop discriminating against people who choose religions other than Islam. I'd stop discriminating and/or punishing woman and homosexuals and others.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
I'd stop restricting access to the internet and international news programs. I'd cooperate freely with the NPT and tbe IAEA.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
Until you open your eyes and realize that Israel is on the good side of things, I don't believe you will understand the things I say. You're not the first person to experience brainwashing.
Palestinian rocket and mortar attacks on Israel from the Gaza Strip have occurred since 2001. Between 2001 and January 2009, over 8,600 rockets had been launched, leading to 28 deaths and several hundred injuries,[1][2] as well as widespread psychological trauma and disruption of daily life.[3] According to research done by the Social work department at the Sapir Academic college, Estimated 15,000[4] people from Sderot are suffering from PTSD and estimated 1000 are treated within the mental health[5] community
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Rockets were originally fired mainly on Sderot, an Israeli city on the border of the Gaza Strip.[29] Sderot's population density is slightly greater than that of the Gaza Strip. Due to this, and despite the imperfect aim of these homemade projectiles, they have caused deaths and injuries, as well as significant damage to homes and property, psychological distress and emigration from the city. Ninety percent of the city's residents have had a rocket exploding in their street or an adjacent one.
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Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine
I haven't said anything to warrant your statement.
I've offered facts and a viewpoint apparently not popular in this thread.
I'm already well aware of how toxic the truth can be.
See this:
Many thousands of rockets have been launched from gaza and palestinian areas by Hamas militants.
This actually mentions some of the attacks on Ashdod (2009):
en.wikipedia.org...
(over 750 rocket and mortar attacks were executed during that period of time)
You should go over this:
en.wikipedia.org...edit on 14-8-2012 by jonnywhite because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by jonnywhite
reply to post by binkman
Operation Cast Lead was in response to the rocket and mortar attacks preceding and following the cease fire.
You act as though Israel attacked without cause.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
Are you advocating that Israel sit back and allow the rocket and mortar attacks to continue? Their attack may have killed greater numbers than Israel received, but Gaza is not innocent, either.
Originally posted by jonnywhite
You know, Gaza is a tiny piece of land. It's really, really small. 17 sq. miles. Rhode Island is the smallest state in the US and it has 1,214 sq. miles. The West Bank, by comparison, is 2,263 sq. miles. Yet I think all of the rocket attacks originate from the Gaza Strip. It's something to wonder about.