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Originally posted by arpgme
Anyway, what do you think about all of this?edit on 14-8-2012 by arpgme because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Snoopy1978
To answer your question, I may be the most obtuse person alive as I got nothing from all this.
You begin with a bunch of labels with a VERY limited perspective of reality and a-b-c types of choices. Then, you dissolve labels and melt these choices together. So the op goes from many limited somethings to a mashed multi-something. Then asks what do we think of it.
Confused here.
Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
Triality is like this: +, -, =. The thing is, these things act and are seen as one. What it's doing here is realizing that + and - are =, not merely that there is a +, a -, and a =, as if they are all separate from each other.
Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
They're unity though, so they're non-dual. That's the middle, because you aren't standing on one side or the other, but in both sides at the same time.
Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
Ever wonder why the negative energy (ELECTRON way out in the ABYSS) is balanced or MIRRORED by a NEUTRAL energy (NEUTRON) + POSITIVE (PROTON) energy.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
Technically Earth is a Duality-based sphere.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
But you can go through school a class clown, a straight A student, a geek, a bully, a quiet and shy one, doesn't matter.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
Naturally you will reap what you sow thanks to the love of Karma,
Originally posted by fourthmeal
you are free to experience things the way you choose, and you can change your path at any time for any reason or no reason at all.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
Your goal is positive harvest when the time comes....hence the duality-centric environment on Earth.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
Basically we all One, this is the final truth. If you truly know this and live this, then you know that Duality is but a method to grow the soul.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
But in order to grow (the soul's purpose of living here on a 3rd density, duality sphere), catalysts must be used. That's where duality comes in.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
How do you know good if you don't know bad? What is pleasure in the absence of pain? Duality is simply a way for the soul to measure one experience against another, without the backdrop of "All is One" unity.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
In the end, we are not human beings experiencing a spiritual journey, we are spiritual beings experiencing a human journey, one with duality intertwined in the fabric of Karma, the ultimate teaching tool.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
I guess what I'm saying is that we can acknowledge that Unity is the final realization but the human experience is about the journey to the true realization of this truth, despite having to "forget" this truth upon incarnation.
Originally posted by Thrishmal
reply to post by arpgme
I am what you call a Unity thinker, most of the time anyway.
It is difficult to "exist" as a Unity thinker since the act of survival pretty much demand we assign meanings to things. The truth of the matter may be that these "meanings" have little truth in the grand scheme of things, but they do keep us alive and promote our continued existence as a species.
Originally posted by Thrishmal
In what I would consider to be truth, there is no time or individuality; there is only now and the eternally changing existence and non-existence.
Originally posted by Thrishmal
It is funny thinking along the Unity lines, all meaning is stripped from existence and there simply IS. It isn't really a sad realization, it is actually quite liberating in the end. Life becomes something you simply do with no meaning but what you assign to it.
Originally posted by arpgme
Of course the human body will take in food and water to survive, but I don't lie to myself and say that those things exist just so that I can survive. Those things exist because they do, and they are a part of reality. My existence takes in food and water to survive, but that doesn't mean that the food and water has the "meaning" of keeping me alive. It just is. I don't have to lie to myself to continue to survive, and in reality, everything is one, one there is no "me" and "you", there is just "reality" and all is apart of it in this continuous unfolding moment called present - as a painting.
Originally posted by arpgme
Nothing does not exist; in other words, there is no such existence as non-existence. That which appears to be "void" or "nothingness" is an illusion, everything is something.
Originally posted by arpgme
I'm not even sure if it's possible to assign meaning to things if you are thinking for a unity perspective. Once you realize that all things "are" and there really is no "thing", it is all connected as a beautiful painting in this only ONE thing called "reality", you can't assign meaning to anything. Because everything in reality is ONE thing ONE painting, so how can the painting getting from point A to point B (the goal) if all there is is this painting (of ALL - REALITY) and nothing else? It can't be done.
Originally posted by arpgme
Originally posted by Snoopy1978
To answer your question, I may be the most obtuse person alive as I got nothing from all this.
You begin with a bunch of labels with a VERY limited perspective of reality and a-b-c types of choices. Then, you dissolve labels and melt these choices together. So the op goes from many limited somethings to a mashed multi-something. Then asks what do we think of it.
Confused here.
There aren't limited perspectives, everybody thinks in one of these ways, seeing the world "as is" as one big picture without the need to label and judge; or splitting up the world into two as "good" and "bad"; or splitting it up into three as "good", "bad", or "neutral". It is fairly accurate with the major perspectives on this planet.
Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
Triality is like this: +, -, =. The thing is, these things act and are seen as one. What it's doing here is realizing that + and - are =, not merely that there is a +, a -, and a =, as if they are all separate from each other.
The fact that you splitting it up into "one", "two", and "three" was my point though. From the perspective of unity, there is no need to chop things up into three pieces, everything is just a continuous picture happening now.
Originally posted by AdamsMurmur
They're unity though, so they're non-dual. That's the middle, because you aren't standing on one side or the other, but in both sides at the same time.
Of course, it isn't dual. It's triune. From this perspective there are three parts that makes as a whole. Just like in duality there are two parts that makes the whole. From the perspective of Unity, the whole makes the whole without the need to "chop" reality up into pieces...
Originally posted by Ophiuchus 13
Ever wonder why the negative energy (ELECTRON way out in the ABYSS) is balanced or MIRRORED by a NEUTRAL energy (NEUTRON) + POSITIVE (PROTON) energy.
If you want, you can split it up into three pieces, "electron", "neutron", and "proton" and know that they are one (atom); or you can just see the entire thing as all functioning as the one atom without splitting up this reality into pieces...
Originally posted by fourthmeal
Nothing is true. Everything is permitted.
Wouldn't it make more sense to say "all things are true so any perspective is permitted"? How can nothing (non-existence) be true, if it doesn't exist...
Originally posted by fourthmeal
Technically Earth is a Duality-based sphere.
No, it is just a sphere, it is humans choosing to pick it a part and label one side "north" and "south", and in fact you can even chop it up into more pieces, such as "north-day", "north-dark", "south-day", "south-dark"; but this is just a perspective, Earth is just Earth, no need to chop it up into any pieces.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
But you can go through school a class clown, a straight A student, a geek, a bully, a quiet and shy one, doesn't matter.
This is what happens when you think with a mind of duality, everything because "labeled" by the human mind, instead of just realizing that this present moment is eternally unfolding without the need for the labels.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
Naturally you will reap what you sow thanks to the love of Karma,
Which is again, just another perspective.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
you are free to experience things the way you choose, and you can change your path at any time for any reason or no reason at all.
Paths can only exist in the mind of duality; you go from point A (1) to Point B (2). In Unity, everything just IS happening, no need to label it. The present is one big picture eternally happening.
Originally posted by fourthmeal
Your goal is positive harvest when the time comes....hence the duality-centric environment on Earth.
Again, "goals" and "purpose" can only exist from Duality and beyond. It is saying "you are supposed to do this (1) and not do this (2)". You illustrated this point perfectly. From unity there is no "purpose" everything just IS.
I already knew that most would not like the perspective of unity, because most are in a duality mind or triality, It also makes people realize that "Karma" and all of these "universal laws" are just another form of chopping up reality into piece. Once you chop up reality into any pieces, you just chose to leave unity for duality...
Duality Says:
"There is me" and "There is not me"
"There is right" and "There is wrong"
"There is light" and "There is dark"
Unity Says:
"All is Happening Now." (No need to say "A" against "B", or from "Here" to "There")edit on 14-8-2012 by arpgme because: more detail