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Originally posted by Stormdancer777
Back in the day the requirements for receiving welfare were more strict.
Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF /ˈtænɨf/) is one of the United States of America's federal assistance programs. It began on July 1, 1997 [2], and succeeded the Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC) program, providing cash assistance to indigent American families with dependent children through the United States Department of Health and Human Services.
TANF was created by the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act instituted under President Bill Clinton in 1996. The Act provides temporary financial assistance while aiming to get people off of that assistance, primarily through employment. There is a maximum of 60 months of benefits within one's lifetime, but some states have instituted shorter periods.[3] In enforcing the 60-month time limit, some states place limits on the adult portion of the assistance only, while still aiding the otherwise eligible children in the household.
Originally posted by Aliensun
reply to post by RealSpoke
This is in response to the poor thinking of the OP's comments as originally given.
Welfare checks are not a one-time thing. It is a continual drain on the state. So all of those that failed or refused to be tested only cost the state #30 each right?
What would be the average time that a person is on welfare in Florida, a few months, years, a lifetime? Start addding up all of these months where welfare will not be paid on those drug users and I suspect you will come up with a substantial sum that will dwarf the reimbursements to those that passed. Plus, that group of people would be the least likely to eventually get out there find a job and make it on their own.
Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
Originally posted by Stormdancer777
reply to post by bigfatfurrytexan
You know what's weird though Tex, some old dude like my hubby would do it to make ends meet.
Yup. When some of us are willing to cede our rights to the corporatocracy, the rest of us are forced to do the same.
So, 98% of welfare recipients passed the test.
Many people, including drug users them-selves, have mistaken beliefs about drug addiction and recovery from addiction. Two of the most pervasive myths are that “a person can get off drugs alone” and that “most addicts can become permanently drug-free.” These ideas stem in part from notions that continued drug use is voluntary and that a person’s inability to overcome addiction stems solely from character flaws or a lack of willpower.
Posit this... We kick drug addicts off of welfare... a condition that, despite the hyperbole, is not all McMansions and Lincoln Navigators. What then? We, as a nation, tend to ignore that addiction is a disease - we fail to educate ourselves about it.
Originally posted by seabag
We as a nation tend to ignore the fact that it’s always easier to take a free ride than work for a living. Why should my tax dollars support a person who refuses to take personal responsibility? If you've got enough money for drugs then buy your own damn food!!
Originally posted by seabag
This whole “disease” thing is a copout IMO. If it’s important to you to receive that assistance then stop using drugs…it’s very simple. You’d be surprised what you can do when you stop making excuses and just man-up!
edit on 15-8-2012 by seabag because: (no reason given)
They are not "your" tax dollars. They are "our" tax dollars - the nations. Claiming them individually is a bit vain, don't you think? I've paid taxes my whole life. I don't consider the US to be MINE. Taxes are our contribution to the society - not charity.
Would you say that a dialysis patient is refusing to take responsibility because they won't make their kidneys function right? Of course not. Unless you've got a PHD differentiating between one disease and another is just stating personal opinion. Which is fine - but at the end of the day it's still just opinion.
I sourced the CDC article stating that addiction is a disease. That would be the Center for Disease Control. Again, lacking a specific PHD - I'll defer to their definition.
I'm left wondering if you've ever had to deal with an actual drug addict on a personal level. They usually end up in situations that you wouldn't wish upon your worst enemy... and it isn't because they lack fortitude. It is because they are sick and need help.
Originally posted by seabag
When I receive my paycheck it’s a deduction from MY CHECK, not the country’s check. I should have a say how MY money is spent. Why don’t I have the option of opting-out of paying for some douche-bag's welfare?
Originally posted by seabag
You’re disingenuous if you’re comparing a crack head to a person who developed kidney failure.
That’s a bit of a STRETCH, no?
Originally posted by seabag
Is this the same CDC that perpetuated the supposed ‘swine flu epidemic’ so they could stick needles in more people? Apparently I’m more skeptical of government agencies that want to put things into my body than you.
Originally posted by seabag
Addiction is for people with weak minds. I think people make a CHOICE whether or not they quit a certain habit. If you want to fight for your life and have any willpower at all you will overcome any addiction.
And yes…I was a smoker for 2 decades.
Originally posted by BobNoxious
The lack of empathy displayed by posters is disturbing, considering how much America has been raped and robbed by the selfish, politicians, and their corporate & military buddies... if you stack up the money lost to the insanity that is "our" corporate/military dominate oligarchy V.S. the moneys given to feed and clothe poor people and their kids, we wouldn't be having this conversation. We probably spent more on 1 war(pick one) than we will ever spend on feeding and clothing people in the U.S.
Here's to never being hungry.