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UFO & Shapeshifters in a 17th Century Painting by David Ryckaert III? La Ronde Des Farfadets (The D

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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 04:46 AM
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I'm not asking you to trust me, but I am asking you to refrain from attacking the messenger.




posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 04:48 AM
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Originally posted by HillbillyHippie1
reply to post by trysts
 


Yeah, that is pretty funny. Silly me. A bowl hanging upside down from a tree makes so much more sense in context with the painting. What was I thinking? Everybody knows whenever you see an elf-like creature there's sure to be an upsidedown bowl hanging from a tree branch somewhere nearby!


Lol. You're right, whenever I watch Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer, I slow down the movie to see if there are any UFO anomalies. lol



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 04:51 AM
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Originally posted by HillbillyHippie1
reply to post by trysts
 


I'm not asking you to trust me, but I am asking you to refrain from attacking the messenger.


Please don't be so sensitive about what I said, I'm just joking. We're not talking about people being harmed, afterall



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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Originally posted by HillbillyHippie1
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What is the difference? Elves ARE shapeshifters as per the testimony of the historical literature, and the painter is obviously trying to show the entities as changing form from human-like to these other grotesque figures.

I could just as easily say that elves ARE nothing more than figments of human imagination.

I could ask for proof of the existence of elves....



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 04:55 AM
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Ok, so I suppose you are saying that it can't be a UFO because you don't believe in elves or flying reindeer; therefore, a UFO can't be seen with them and an upsidedown bowl hanging from a tree somehow makes more sense in such context?



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:03 AM
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Originally posted by HillbillyHippie1
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Ok, so I suppose you are saying that it can't be a UFO because you don't believe in elves or flying reindeer; therefore, a UFO can't be seen with them and an upsidedown bowl hanging from a tree somehow makes more sense in such context?


If a bowl is hanging from a tree I don't report it to MUFON. I already know there is enough evidence for UFO's to be taken seriously, I just don't think paintings from the past contribute to the investigation. The painting you showed has a bowl hanging on a string, on a branch. Back then, bowls were already invented

edit on 14-8-2012 by trysts because: just an extra word I accidentally typed.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:10 AM
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Sure, but you could not say that the historical testimony of what elves are, or are characterized as being, is nonexistent. I, on the otherhand, could say that so far I have experienced two logical fallacies: ad hominem and irrelevence, and I am not really sure why there is a need for such. It would be so much better to say, "I disagree, I think it is... and this is why" and be done with it.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:18 AM
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That picture I find quite disturbing, I have been looking into some old art for the last few weeks now....

This is a thread I posted at the end of July concerning a painting I also found quite intriguing which was painted in the year 1450........

www.abovetopsecret.com...



Things seemed to be going on that were no different to what they are today...........



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:20 AM
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Ok, so then we disagree because you believe UFOs are real and elves are "imaginary". That is fine, I can live with that, but to me they are both on the same level (with UFOs ranking slightly lower as far as I am concerned the evidence shows, at least if they are not from this world anyway) because while I've never experienced a UFO I have experienced what you would claim "imaginary", and it was as real for me (and the person experiencing it with me) as your UFOs might be to you.

In any event, our personal convictions are off the mark. This thread was about the picture, and I think I understand what you think about it and now also "why" you think that way. I appreciate your input, as it was what I was looking for.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:24 AM
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Interesting indeed... The clouds most definitely appear to be shaped like UFOs, while I would think that the bowl in this picture is obviously a bowl as the context of the painting clearly shows.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:24 AM
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Originally posted by davethebear
That picture I find quite disturbing, I have been looking into some old art for the last few weeks now....

This is a thread I posted at the end of July concerning a painting I also found quite intriguing which was painted in the year 1450........

www.abovetopsecret.com...



Things seemed to be going on that were no different to what they are today...........


Is it just me, or do those clouds look a wee bit odd?



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:25 AM
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First, the bowl hanging from a tree limb by a string was either a reflection captured by a camera, or the artist's representation of a UFO. The artist painted a bowl hanging from a tree.

Then the artist's fantastic representation of mythical creatures (elves) is supposed to represent shape shifters (another mythical creature). I see no indication that the artist intended to show shape shifters.

Do you believe that inorganic mud can come to life? There are 'historical' references ( called myths) to the Golem. Well, there's our proof, Golems exist!



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:27 AM
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Originally posted by Sinny

Originally posted by davethebear
That picture I find quite disturbing, I have been looking into some old art for the last few weeks now....

This is a thread I posted at the end of July concerning a painting I also found quite intriguing which was painted in the year 1450........

www.abovetopsecret.com...



Things seemed to be going on that were no different to what they are today...........


Is it just me, or do those clouds look a wee bit odd?


Do you mean because they look like UFO type of things...............Yeah, that is one of the reasons that I posted it.....................



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:31 AM
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yarr, subliminal much ?! lol



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:38 AM
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Originally posted by butcherguy
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Do you believe that inorganic mud can come to life? There are 'historical' references ( called myths) to the Golem. Well, there's our proof, Golems exist!



Yes. I believe that the current scientific consensus is that abiogenesis (essentially inorganic mud coming to life) is possible and did occur which means that if Golems do not or did not exist we will soon, with the current march of technology, have them roaming about and you will be saying, "Great God in bootes! The Golem "myth" is sound!"



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:40 AM
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Originally posted by HillbillyHippie1
reply to post by trysts
 


Ok, so then we disagree because you believe UFOs are real and elves are "imaginary". That is fine, I can live with that, but to me they are both on the same level (with UFOs ranking slightly lower as far as I am concerned the evidence shows, at least if they are not from this world anyway) because while I've never experienced a UFO I have experienced what you would claim "imaginary", and it was as real for me (and the person experiencing it with me) as your UFOs might be to you.

In any event, our personal convictions are off the mark. This thread was about the picture, and I think I understand what you think about it and now also "why" you think that way. I appreciate your input, as it was what I was looking for.


UFO's, for me, are a mystery. They aren't something I understand. And they aren't my mythology. Elves are not even on my radar(unless I have a chocolate chip cookie that is sooooo yummy that I want to thank the elf who made them). I really didn't think that you were proposing elves to have actually existed, nor that you experienced seeing elves in real life. I was only commenting on the bowl.



Also, there hasn't been an ad hominen logical fallacy. That would be a criticism of you, personally. Such as saying you haven't paid taxes, thus whatever you say about elves is wrong. Everyone has been speaking of your OP, not you personally.

And the logical fallacy of irrelevence, hardly applies here in people not seeing what you see.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:44 AM
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Lenticular clouds, not that subliminal, more an indication to what the artist saw when he did the painting I think...



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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First my assertion that ad hominem took place is in relation to the statement along the lines of "trusting my judgement", which has nothing to do with the OP, since I specifically stated I was making no claims. Second, my mention of the fallacy of irrelevence is in reference to the statement made by someone of "I could just as easily say elves are imaginary" or something along those lines, which is irrelevent to the point I made concerning the historical testimony of the attributes of elves, since such historical testimony undeniably exists.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 05:52 AM
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Meh, could be...



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 06:02 AM
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Originally posted by gortex
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It looks to me like a bowl that's been flung into the air ... don't know what else to say really


you guys don't see the string and tree branch it's hanging from?



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