Religious Fundamentalists Avoid Hot Women With 'Modesty Glasses', page 3


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reply posted on 15-8-2012 @ 07:53 AM by pause4thought
reply to post by RealSpoke



Fascinating discussion. It raises so many issues...


Why are most religion so anti-human? Anything that is somewhat pleasurable and normal is seen as evil and sin.. It's just ridiculous. Why would you want to blur your eyesight intentionally just so you won't stare at tits?

The perspective you describe originates from the idea —which one or two others have hinted at— that if a desire comes naturally, it is OK. And if people find it pleasurable it is good.

But that is just the perfect recipe for hedonism:

Hedonism is a school of thought that argues that pleasure is the only intrinsic good. In very simple terms, a hedonist strives to maximize net pleasure (pleasure minus pain). In contrast to the philosophy, the commonplace use of the term hedonism often refers to a lifestyle oriented only towards selfish momentary pleasures.

Source

Many, and indeed most, (perhaps nearly all) thinking individuals of non-religious persuasion both aspire to and attain higher aims in life. Even a simple awareness of the needs of others leads most people to forego natural inclination, and inconvenience themselves for the sake of improving the quality of life of those around them. Many have developed a particularly sensitive moral compass that drives them to put themselves at risk of personal loss, and even harm, in order to improve the lives of others. Médecins Sans Frontières springs to mind, along with countless others. While perhaps some see no need to bridle sexual desire, others have put personal 'satisfaction' further down their list of priorities. Such a way of life is not only human, but reflects a moral compass that is more highly developed, and therefore an example to us all of what humans can attain.

In reality virtually everyone denies themselves to some extent, and for good reason. What would you say if the next person you met stood staring at your partner's breasts, and then asked her to go home with him? And if society as a whole functioned in such a way, without restraint? It is therefore not at all anti-human to say that some things that seem inherently pleasurable are morally wrong, and even evil. And that is on a secular level alone!

Those with a Judeo-Christian system of ethics believe that the Creator desires that we humans live in the light of the moral standards he has set. This is no more anti-human than the ethical values of secular people outlined above; rather it adds a layer to the moral compass such that we are answerable to him for our conduct. Believing that the Designer and Creator is aware not only of our actions, but also our thoughts and motivations, we seek to address our shortcomings in every sphere, including the sexual, as an act of worship.

There is always the danger that those who aspire to control inner desires in order to be at peace with their Maker begin to see themselves as superior to those without faith. The Christian belief is that Christ alone lived a life of moral perfection, fulfilling every law and commandment in deed and in thought, flawlessly, including the two greatest commandments, to love God with all one's heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love others as oneself, and that he did it on our behalf, in our place (before giving himself as a sacrificial offering to God without blemish, so that our failings could be covered).

Others aspire to attain some level of perfection in God's sight through personal effort. Those who would consider using these glasses clearly come under that category, and I cannot belittle their zeal. I do not believe it leads to the desired outcome because it does not deal with the secret love of lust that is contrary to God's standard, which is present within all of us until Christ transforms the heart such that it loves what God loves and detests what God detests at the very deepest level.

In reality it is an urban myth that faith is contrary to pleasure. There is nothing more wholesome, and deeply pleasurable than a good conscience. And not only sexual desire, but sexual fulfilment were purposely designed by the Creator Himself for our own good, to be enjoyed with thanks within the limits He has set. Lifelong commitment to one's spouse creates something beautiful and fulfilling beyond what will ever be experienced by those who prefer not to restrain lust. To those who reject the design, it is their loss!

Self-control and holy matrimony are fulfilling and pleasurable. And eminently human.


reply posted on 15-8-2012 @ 08:33 AM by Barcs
Originally posted by NOTurTypical
You do have control, most crashes can be prevented defensive driving. And if we humans had self control at all times jails would be unnecessary.


You can't prevent all accidents, even if you drive like a grandma. That's exactly the point, though. Self control and self responsibility have disappeared through all levels of society. Seat belts are for preventing injury during accidents, something that you cannot control once the mistake has been made, whether by you or the other driver. You cannot control your body's movement in a crash, hence why we have seat belts. These glasses are not preventing involuntary injury, they are being used as a crutch to attempt to enforce an irrational belief system that the person does not even properly follow, not as a protection device. Why stop there? If your eyes open you up to sin and you have no control, then gauge them out and you'll never have to worry about missing out on heaven... unless you think about those "evil" thoughts.

Sexuality is not a bad thing, though. It's the reason we exist as a species. There's nothing wrong with appreciating the beauty of an amazing creature like the human female. After all, looking harms nobody, and neither do lustful thoughts. Taking action on those thoughts DOES. Sexual suppression is similar to slavery, and if people are not even allowed to look at others, it will undoubtedly cause more sexual anxiety within the person and can cause them to eventually be unfaithful. It seems to me like sexual suppression stems from an attempt to keep the human population from getting too big. The bible itself says "be fruitful and multiply", directly from god's mouth. Then later on this is contradicted with the whole sex before marriage, sex only for procreation concepts. It's unnatural to suppress the biggest reason for our survival and domination as a species on earth.
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reply posted on 15-8-2012 @ 01:14 PM by andy06shake
reply to post by CookieMonster09



"In our American culture, we have far to many young women walking around with bare shoulders, bare arms, and skimpy clothing. I see this all the time when I go out in public."

Would you prefer them in full length burkas? LoL If its not broke dont try and fix it! You dont need to go out, you can always stay in doors, im sure theres no bad naked ladys(Wife excluded of course) in you apartment waiting to corrupt your "tzniut"!

"It was so egregious and disgusting."

You must be very easily offended or aroused mate, take your pick.
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reply posted on 15-8-2012 @ 01:26 PM by andy06shake
reply to post by hotpinkurinalmint



I second that, 3 cheers for all those lovely "immodest" women out there!

Hip hip hooray!

Hip hip hooray!

Hip hip hooray!


reply posted on 15-8-2012 @ 01:55 PM by MountainLaurel
reply to post by CookieMonster09



Bare arms and shoulders are not modest? lol, tank tops are standard shirts for women in hot weather where I live, I do buy the ones I can wear a bra with, and that's as modest as I'm going to get in 100+ degree weather! If I notice a man "admiring" my figure, first, I'm flattered, cause I'm getting older, then I will usually just smile at him, and everyone goes about thier business...no harm to anyone......


reply posted on 15-8-2012 @ 01:59 PM by andy06shake
reply to post by Fromabove



You do atleast have a good argument from a religious standpoint

I think however we are way past what god wants or intended. What about what we want? The planet is ours after all, atleast for the time being.


reply posted on 15-8-2012 @ 07:23 PM by andy06shake
reply to post by daynight42



Take there hands by all means but leave there junk alone, its not like the can have any fun on there own with no hands now is it? Sounds a bit extreem though unless they have commited rape. Have you never seen the Benny Hill show, you would have had his hands away for sure!
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