Religious Fundamentalists Avoid Hot Women With 'Modesty Glasses'

reply to post by RealSpoke


Fascinating discussion. It raises so many issues...

Why are most religion so anti-human? Anything that is somewhat pleasurable and normal is seen as evil and sin.. It's just ridiculous. Why would you want to blur your eyesight intentionally just so you won't stare at tits?

The perspective you describe originates from the idea —which one or two others have hinted at— that if a desire comes naturally, it is OK. And if people find it pleasurable it is good.

But that is just the perfect recipe for hedonism:

Hedonism is a school of thought that argues that pleasure is the only intrinsic good. In very simple terms, a hedonist strives to maximize net pleasure (pleasure minus pain). In contrast to the philosophy, the commonplace use of the term hedonism often refers to a lifestyle oriented only towards selfish momentary pleasures.

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Many, and indeed most, (perhaps nearly all) thinking individuals of non-religious persuasion both aspire to and attain higher aims in life. Even a simple awareness of the needs of others leads most people to forego natural inclination, and inconvenience themselves for the sake of improving the quality of life of those around them. Many have developed a particularly sensitive moral compass that drives them to put themselves at risk of personal loss, and even harm, in order to improve the lives of others. Médecins Sans Frontières springs to mind, along with countless others. While perhaps some see no need to bridle sexual desire, others have put personal 'satisfaction' further down their list of priorities. Such a way of life is not only human, but reflects a moral compass that is more highly developed, and therefore an example to us all of what humans can attain.

In reality virtually everyone denies themselves to some extent, and for good reason. What would you say if the next person you met stood staring at your partner's breasts, and then asked her to go home with him? And if society as a whole functioned in such a way, without restraint? It is therefore not at all anti-human to say that some things that seem inherently pleasurable are morally wrong, and even evil. And that is on a secular level alone!

Those with a Judeo-Christian system of ethics believe that the Creator desires that we humans live in the light of the moral standards he has set. This is no more anti-human than the ethical values of secular people outlined above; rather it adds a layer to the moral compass such that we are answerable to him for our conduct. Believing that the Designer and Creator is aware not only of our actions, but also our thoughts and motivations, we seek to address our shortcomings in every sphere, including the sexual, as an act of worship.

There is always the danger that those who aspire to control inner desires in order to be at peace with their Maker begin to see themselves as superior to those without faith. The Christian belief is that Christ alone lived a life of moral perfection, fulfilling every law and commandment in deed and in thought, flawlessly, including the two greatest commandments, to love God with all one's heart, soul, mind and strength, and to love others as oneself, and that he did it on our behalf, in our place (before giving himself as a sacrificial offering to God without blemish, so that our failings could be covered).

Others aspire to attain some level of perfection in God's sight through personal effort. Those who would consider using these glasses clearly come under that category, and I cannot belittle their zeal. I do not believe it leads to the desired outcome because it does not deal with the secret love of lust that is contrary to God's standard, which is present within all of us until Christ transforms the heart such that it loves what God loves and detests what God detests at the very deepest level.

In reality it is an urban myth that faith is contrary to pleasure. There is nothing more wholesome, and deeply pleasurable than a good conscience. And not only sexual desire, but sexual fulfilment were purposely designed by the Creator Himself for our own good, to be enjoyed with thanks within the limits He has set. Lifelong commitment to one's spouse creates something beautiful and fulfilling beyond what will ever be experienced by those who prefer not to restrain lust. To those who reject the design, it is their loss!

Self-control and holy matrimony are fulfilling and pleasurable. And eminently human.

Originally posted by NOTurTypical
You do have control, most crashes can be prevented defensive driving. And if we humans had self control at all times jails would be unnecessary.

You can't prevent all accidents, even if you drive like a grandma. That's exactly the point, though. Self control and self responsibility have disappeared through all levels of society. Seat belts are for preventing injury during accidents, something that you cannot control once the mistake has been made, whether by you or the other driver. You cannot control your body's movement in a crash, hence why we have seat belts. These glasses are not preventing involuntary injury, they are being used as a crutch to attempt to enforce an irrational belief system that the person does not even properly follow, not as a protection device. Why stop there? If your eyes open you up to sin and you have no control, then gauge them out and you'll never have to worry about missing out on heaven... unless you think about those "evil" thoughts.

Sexuality is not a bad thing, though. It's the reason we exist as a species. There's nothing wrong with appreciating the beauty of an amazing creature like the human female. After all, looking harms nobody, and neither do lustful thoughts. Taking action on those thoughts DOES. Sexual suppression is similar to slavery, and if people are not even allowed to look at others, it will undoubtedly cause more sexual anxiety within the person and can cause them to eventually be unfaithful. It seems to me like sexual suppression stems from an attempt to keep the human population from getting too big. The bible itself says "be fruitful and multiply", directly from god's mouth. Then later on this is contradicted with the whole sex before marriage, sex only for procreation concepts. It's unnatural to suppress the biggest reason for our survival and domination as a species on earth.

personally once you've seen one woman naked......you want to see them all naked........

Why not just pluck the eyes from your own head! Religion has a whole lot to answer for eh? Pure dudes are missing out on all those lovely boobs. There nether regions must be like space hoppers. LoL

More religious extremism. I don't care if it's extreme Jewish, or extreme Islam. When it's extreme, it's not right. Do people forget that Adam and Eve were naked?

If only we could purchase glasses that make the ugly ones look good, oh wait we do have those there called beer glasses. LoL

In Jewish customs and tradition, there is a word for modesty called tzniut. It means modesty, and involves taking proactive steps to prevent immodesty.

In our American culture, we have far to many young women walking around with bare shoulders, bare arms, and skimpy clothing. I see this all the time when I go out in public.

On Fox News last night, I commented to my wife that the woman attorney on the screen had her cleavage showing, and bare arms and bare shoulders. When they placed a headline at the bottom of the screen, she looked half-naked. It was so egregious and disgusting.

You have to commend these ultra-Orthodox Jews for trying to avoid immodest looks. It beats the alternative.

In Orthodox Judaism, men are expected to wear long pants, and long sleeve shirts according to modesty practices. Shorts are not acceptable among many Orthodox Jews. Women wear scarves, and must keep their arms and legs covered as well.

What is the purpose of modesty? To try to not draw attention to yourself, and to avoid people looking at you in a sinful manner.

reply to post by CookieMonster09


"In our American culture, we have far to many young women walking around with bare shoulders, bare arms, and skimpy clothing. I see this all the time when I go out in public."

Would you prefer them in full length burkas? LoL If its not broke dont try and fix it! You dont need to go out, you can always stay in doors, im sure theres no bad naked ladys(Wife excluded of course) in you apartment waiting to corrupt your "tzniut"!

"It was so egregious and disgusting."

You must be very easily offended or aroused mate, take your pick.

On behalf of all sane heterosexual men everywhere, I would like to thank all the "immodest" women out there that we see out and about on a daily basis. You really lighten up our days.

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I second that, 3 cheers for all those lovely "immodest" women out there!

Hip hip hooray!

Hip hip hooray!

Hip hip hooray!

Well, as others have already pointed out, if your willing to basically hinder your eyesight to prevent seeing beautiful women, your gonna miss out on seeing alot of other beautiful things too...and probably ruin your eyesight...but if that's how they feel they need to control thier "lust" issues....I guess that's thier trip....just seems rather silly and disingenuous, since apparently thier hearts are already full of lust.

On a practical note, isn't the middle east very hot? How do these women stand being dressed, and covered from head to toe, gives me heat stroke just looking at those outfits! I live in a place that gets very hot in summer, and most women wear as little as possible to stay cooler....now modesty is subjective I guess...and will change as we grow older, my daughters shorts are certainly shorter then I would wear in my 40's, but at her age you bet I liked showing off my body, still do actually, just in more age appropriate ways.......

Violence, oppression, rape, and yes extreme types of porn, IMHO...are the root of the problem....not beautiful girls......

oh...one last thing, how about swimming,...would they seek to ban women from wearing bathing suits too?

From the book of Job (NKJV) Bible - Job 42:15

verse 15: In all the land were found no women so beautiful as the daughters of Job; and their father gave them an inheritance among their brothers.


God made woman to be appealing and attractive to men. The woman completes the happiness of any man(in most cases) and her beauty is made for her to enjoy and the attention it brings her. We should not all be fearful of women as the Islams are, nor pretend not to notice like the OP post indicates.

However, men should also be respectful towards women and not do or say things demeaning to them. Admire a woman for her beauty, but don't abuse that privilege either. Be normal. If God wants women to be as beautiful as He intended, who are we to deny it. It is obviously a blessing not a curse.

reply to post by CookieMonster09


Bare arms and shoulders are not modest? lol, tank tops are standard shirts for women in hot weather where I live, I do buy the ones I can wear a bra with, and that's as modest as I'm going to get in 100+ degree weather! If I notice a man "admiring" my figure, first, I'm flattered, cause I'm getting older, then I will usually just smile at him, and everyone goes about thier business...no harm to anyone......

reply to post by Fromabove


You do atleast have a good argument from a religious standpoint

I think however we are way past what god wants or intended. What about what we want? The planet is ours after all, atleast for the time being.

Originally posted by Fromabove
From the book of Job (NKJV) Bible - Job 42:15

verse 15: In all the land were found no women so beautiful as the daughters of Job; and their father gave them an inheritance among their brothers.

God made woman to be appealing and attractive to men. The woman completes the happiness of any man(in most cases) and her beauty is made for her to enjoy and the attention it brings her. We should not all be fearful of women as the Islams are, nor pretend not to notice like the OP post indicates.

However, men should also be respectful towards women and not do or say things demeaning to them. Admire a woman for her beauty, but don't abuse that privilege either. Be normal. If God wants women to be as beautiful as He intended, who are we to deny it. It is obviously a blessing not a curse.

The only problem with that, is its demeaning to say that a woman's purpose is to be appealing and attractive to men. The bible treats women as inferior to men and this can be backed up by multiple scriptures. The book is reflective of the overall ignorant attitude of the people who lived at the time. Men had to be big powerful workhorses while the women did all the cooking cleaning and raising the children. So no. Women are not inferior and were not created for the purpose of serving a man and its insulting the way the bible describes them.

Men and Women are meant to please and serve each other I believe. Certain "jobs" just made more sense for each sex, especially in less modern times. I do believe the "holy trinity" is actually the Father, Son and the Mother......but why did the feminine energy become a "holy ghost" ? The bible was edited....and it's a really interesting subject to look in to.....I did not know until recently that there was actually a book of Mary that was destroyed, and not included in the Bible, why? I believe Mary Magdalin was Jesus's wife, and most trusted desiple.....I will try and find a very interesting documentary I saw on this subject....anyways.....very interesting stuff to ponder......

Good. It's a lot better than having the women dress from head to toe in scarves and things...just because men can't control what's between their legs.

If Islam would just castrate the men who can't keep their hands to themselves, then the women there could dress in whatever they wanted!

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reply to post by daynight42


Take there hands by all means but leave there junk alone, its not like the can have any fun on there own with no hands now is it? Sounds a bit extreem though unless they have commited rape. Have you never seen the Benny Hill show, you would have had his hands away for sure!

I'm married so my wife kinda makes me wear em.