Paul Ryan on Patriot Act, NDAA and Warrantless Wiretaps

Warrantless wiretaps? Patriot Act? The NDAA???

Paul Ryan..

NO on Veto override: Congressional oversight of CIA interrogations:

NO on requiring FISA warrants for wiretaps in US, but not abroad:

YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's roving wiretaps:

YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent:

YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight:

YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant:

YES on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad:

YES on retroactive immunity for telecoms' warrantless surveillance:

www.ontheissues.org...

Voted YES on The National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) aka "indefinite detention"

www.ontheissues.org...

Here you have a man who has consistentlt and repeatedly voted for everything "patriot act"..including 4 tiimes in 2011...not just post 9-11 fear.

And the NDAA??

Also see here..

May 18, 2012 H Amdt 1127
Repeals Indefinite Military Detention Provisions
(182 - 238)

Nay...Voted against repeal

votesmart.org...


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What will a Romney/Ryan admistration look like in terms of civil liberties?

Mind you...this isn't opinion...this is his voting record.

A Romney/Ryan white house would look exactly the same as the Obama/Biden or Bush/Cheney.

The puppet changes but the puppeteer remains the same. Oh how we will long for Ron Paul in the next four years.

Romney/Ryan is the same as Obama/Biden. Stop playing their game! Stop voting for their candidates! Nobody but Ron Paul 2012. I will write his name in or not vote at all.

The Mitten/Ryan fanatics will ignore this thread like the plague.

I find it hilarious the roles already reversing from '08 the same people that have been in here dissecting Obama's policies for the past 5 years are the same ones vigorously defending a guy who is no different. Shows you how partisan some people really are.

Originally posted by coven83
A Romney/Ryan white house would look exactly the same as the Obama/Biden or Bush/Cheney.

The puppet changes but the puppeteer remains the same. Oh how we will long for Ron Paul in the next four years.

edit on 13-8-2012 by coven83 because: (no reason given)

That is one thing that kind of suprises me. The Paul Ryan pick is a strong ef-you to Ron Paul supporters.

Paul Ryan has voted for EVERYTHING Military and has a voting record on civil liberties that makes Bush look liberal.

Ryan even opposed withdrawing troops from both Iraq and Afghanistan!

Voted NO on removing US armed forces from Afghanistan. (Mar 2011)
Voted NO on investigating Bush impeachment for lying about Iraq. (Jun 2008)
Voted NO on redeploying US troops out of Iraq starting in 90 days. (May 2007)
Voted YES on declaring Iraq part of War on Terror with no exit date. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on approving removal of Saddam & valiant service of US troops. (Mar 2004)
Voted YES on authorizing military force in Iraq. (Oct 2002)

Same source as in OP

I'm not a single issue voter. I think that a Romney/Ryan ticket will reverse much of what Obama/Biden has done.

What we can do is get state senators and congressmen that will repeal NDAA, Patriot Act, since we can't get a president who will.

Reply to post by beezzer

The PA isn't going anywhere.

Too much of the economy runs on it now.

The only ways I could see it disappearing are if it's simply replaced with something just like it, or worse, or a magic wand is waved and the people in this country begin valuing liberty.


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Originally posted by beezzer
I'm not a single issue voter. I think that a Romney/Ryan ticket will reverse much of what Obama/Biden has done.

What we can do is get state senators and congressmen that will repeal NDAA, Patriot Act, since we can't get a president who will.

Hmm...Take the Congressman who most fiercly supports the Patriot Act and NDAA, warrantless wiretapping etc....including going as far as voting against the specific repeal of "indefinite detention" from NDAA...and PROMOTE HIM to Vice-President of the United States and the Tie-Breaking President of the Senate?....And THAT will fix the problem????

Originally posted by thisguyrighthere


The only ways I could see it disappearing are if it's simply replaced with something just like it, or worse, or a magic wand is waved and the people in this country begin valuing liberty.

I hope we don't start valuing it AFTER it's gone.

Originally posted by Indigo5

Originally posted by beezzer
I'm not a single issue voter. I think that a Romney/Ryan ticket will reverse much of what Obama/Biden has done.

What we can do is get state senators and congressmen that will repeal NDAA, Patriot Act, since we can't get a president who will.

Hmm...Take the Congressman who most fiercly supports the Patriot Act and NDAA, warrantless wiretapping etc....including going as far as voting against the specific repeal of "indefinite detention" from NDAA...and PROMOTE HIM to Vice-President of the United States and the Tie-Breaking President of the Senate?....And THAT will fix the problem????

Unfortunately, the president only SIGNS the laws. What we need are people in the senate and congress that'll repeal it.
Along with ACA, etc.

reply to post by Indigo5

Paul Ryan..

NO on Veto override: Congressional oversight of CIA interrogations:

NO on requiring FISA warrants for wiretaps in US, but not abroad:

YES on extending the PATRIOT Act's roving wiretaps:

YES on making the PATRIOT Act permanent:

YES on continuing intelligence gathering without civil oversight:

YES on allowing electronic surveillance without a warrant:

YES on removing need for FISA warrant for wiretapping abroad:

YES on retroactive immunity for telecoms' warrantless surveillance

Yep, you are absolutely correct! Ryan is horrible, just like the current POTUS who allowed all of these things to remain law.............

Originally posted by beezzer
I'm not a single issue voter. I think that a Romney/Ryan ticket will reverse much of what Obama/Biden has done.

Well you wouldn't have to be to not vote for Romney Ryan, I could list dozens of reasons, dare me. And so the Obama crowd said in 2008 and look things are largely the same. They could reverse what Obama and Biden have done(0% chance), but also create many more numerous problems for us abroad, you know a vote for Romney is a Vote for war with Iran guaranteed, and I guarantee you that will cost more than Obama's healthcare bill if it comes to pass.

What we can do is get state senators and congressmen that will repeal NDAA, Patriot Act, since we can't get a president who will.

You really think it would be that easy, if so it would have been done almost a decade ago, And there's no way there is going to be a veto proof majoriy, but I can tell by your post you don't care, and have had your mind made up for awhile.

Originally posted by seeker1963

Yep, you are absolutely correct! Ryan is horrible, just like the current POTUS who allowed all of these things to remain law.............

I would argue the difference is that conservatives have railed against Obama for not repealing these...along with liberals who are not happy either...but Conservatives are prepared to cheer Ryan for supporting the same bills, acts and provisions?

It just gets so damn confusing.

Patriot Act - Obama = Facist, Hitler, Marxist...taking away your "freedoms.

Patriot Act - Romney/Ryan = American Pie???

Socialized Healthcare? Romney in MA = American Pie...HCR Obama (modeled after Romney's plan)...Socialism!!!

It seems that the far right's outrage is not based on actual substance...but just the opposite.....whatever it takes to get "that man" out of the whitehouse.

Romney's Flip-Flopping nature seems to be contageous and has spread to the whole GOP!

Patriot Act? NDAA? Indefinite Detention??? NO PROBLEM! We love it now....Just get "that man" out of office.

My hunch is there are quite a few single-issue voters here. By far the most popular of those single issues is whether the candidate has a D or an R after his name.

Who are the real villains of Patriot Act, the president and congress that put it in place originally, the president that kept it there, or the candidates who virtually promise to enshrine it for all eternity?

Originally posted by Lannister
Romney/Ryan is the same as Obama/Biden. Stop playing their game! Stop voting for their candidates! Nobody but Ron Paul 2012. I will write his name in or not vote at all.

Agreed, it's amazing how these slime balls can tell us one thing and act in the opposite manner. They're all the same. Paul Ryan has a record for all to see, it's attack after attach on civil liberties and bailouts for the elite. He against you and me. He's cut from the same cloth as the rest of him.

Amazing how people willingly
Ignore his record because he claims he's a conservative lol, maybe you should act like it Paul.

I looked at only two of these issues, NDAA and the Patriot ACT. (I didn't want to spend the time, and these have been mentioned a lot.) Biden voted for both of those, too. Go condemn him as loudly.

How did NDAA fare? In the Senate, 40 Republicans voted for, 45 Democrats voted for. A higher percentage of Democrats voted for, than Republicans. In the House Democrats split 93-93 for.

Patriot Act? In the Senate 98-1. In the House, Democrats voted for it by more than 2-1.

It sounds like Ryan could just as well be voting Democrat. Or to put it another way, the Democrats are voting like Ryan.

reply to post by beezzer

I'm not a single issue voter. I think that a Romney/Ryan ticket will reverse much of what Obama/Biden has done.

Yeah OK, just like Obama was going to reverse everything Bush did '

You are just as disillusioned as Obama supporters were in 2008.

Let's not forget that during the Bush presidency, Ryan along with all his GOP colleagues voted to raise the debt ceiling 19 times, yet once Obama was in office, raising the debt ceiling became an instant no-no.

Originally posted by Blackmarketeer
Let's not forget that during the Bush presidency, Ryan along with all his GOP colleagues voted to raise the debt ceiling 19 times, yet once Obama was in office, raising the debt ceiling became an instant no-no.

Yeah...

But times were different way back then....

The wild binge spending hadn't started yet.

Originally posted by beezzer
I'm not a single issue voter. I think that a Romney/Ryan ticket will reverse much of what Obama/Biden has done.

What we can do is get state senators and congressmen that will repeal NDAA, Patriot Act, since we can't get a president who will.

If you look at history newly elected presidents rarely change what other presidents have done. Did Clinton change anything George H Bush did, did GWB change anything Clinton did? Has Obama changed anything Bush did? But you think Romney would change anything Obama has done?

Seriously?