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Voting record analysis finds Paul Ryan most extreme VP nominee in a century

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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:49 PM
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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:01 PM
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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by charles1952
Sorry to get into this so late, after all the discussion has been formed and I want to go a little outside of it, back to the main topic.

I followed the link to the OP's source, and was greeted by a long listing of the members of the 112th Congress. Ron Paul was listed as the 435th most conservative out of 436. Paul Ryan was listed as the 373rd.

This, of course, makes me question the validity of the entire OP.


Things like Pro-Choice are Conservative views that are often mistaken for Liberal. Legalizing some herbs, legalizing prostitution, bringing troops back home, cutting defense spending..... all CONSERVATIVE views, but most publications would see it differently. That is why Ron Paul was so low on the list.

Small government, individual freedoms, personal responsibility for one's actions, laissez faire foreign policy, and free market capitalism, that is a conservative view, but these days it seems liberal.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by jjkenobi
Yes! Imagine that a true conservative on a Republican ticket. About freaking time. Too bad Romney's on there too. Once again the Republicans manage to get a better VP than POTUS candidate on the ticket.


Only one problem, there is nothing conservative about him. Bank bailout sure, Ndaa why not? Gm bailout of course. Plus he's another chicken hawk. He's the same as the other shills. His voting record is terrible. He's voted for everything he talks against, sound familiar? Government entitlement programs ect ect. The rhetoric doesn't match the record, not by a long shot



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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I don't expect you to understand compromise, balance or any of those heady concepts.

But do continue to create such threads for they only prove my point over and over.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:53 PM
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Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


I don't expect you to understand compromise, balance or any of those heady concepts.

But do continue to create such threads for they only prove my point over and over.


Socialists don't compromise.

Don't you remember when Obama looked incompetent?

It was December. Obama had a press conference.

He called the democrats a bunch of sanctimonious fools and the republicans a

bunch of hostage takers.


Quick !!!! Somebody speed dial President Bill Clinton ! Obama totally blew it !

Heeeeeeeeeeeeres Buba ! Clinton saved the day after he told Obama "Please leave."

It was a clear demonstration of an unreasonable Obama.


Have you heard that Obama does not enjoy the company of democrats in congress?

Do you know why?



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 03:06 PM
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Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
reply to post by Eurisko2012
 


I don't expect you to understand compromise, balance or any of those heady concepts.

But do continue to create such threads for they only prove my point over and over.


Don't compromise with Socialists and/or Marxists.
Or Progressives for that matter.
All three will only bring about the destruction of the US.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 03:08 PM
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When you compromise with leftists, it's like getting stabbed by a mugger.

The compromise is that he'll only shove the knife in your gut 4 inches instead of 8.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 03:09 PM
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Originally posted by macaronicaesar

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Yes! Imagine that a true conservative on a Republican ticket. About freaking time. Too bad Romney's on there too. Once again the Republicans manage to get a better VP than POTUS candidate on the ticket.


Only one problem, there is nothing conservative about him. Bank bailout sure, Ndaa why not? Gm bailout of course. Plus he's another chicken hawk. He's the same as the other shills. His voting record is terrible. He's voted for everything he talks against, sound familiar? Government entitlement programs ect ect. The rhetoric doesn't match the record, not by a long shot


Sooooo this is interesting. We have an article saying he's the most extreme Conservative ever nominated to VP and you are saying he's not Conservative at all. They can't both be true.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 07:43 PM
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Originally posted by jjkenobi

Originally posted by macaronicaesar

Originally posted by jjkenobi
Yes! Imagine that a true conservative on a Republican ticket. About freaking time. Too bad Romney's on there too. Once again the Republicans manage to get a better VP than POTUS candidate on the ticket.


Only one problem, there is nothing conservative about him. Bank bailout sure, Ndaa why not? Gm bailout of course. Plus he's another chicken hawk. He's the same as the other shills. His voting record is terrible. He's voted for everything he talks against, sound familiar? Government entitlement programs ect ect. The rhetoric doesn't match the record, not by a long shot


Sooooo this is interesting. We have an article saying he's the most extreme Conservative ever nominated to VP and you are saying he's not Conservative at all. They can't both be true.


That's because the article is a left wing talking piece. It's funny that all conservatives have to do is claim out loud they're conservative, but when it comes to governing nothing they do is conservative. Paul Ryan is a big government shill like Romney, Obama, Biden, newt and santorum. Somehow you fall for it time and time again.

George W was a supposed conservative, yet nothing he actually stood for was at all conservative, he presided over one of the largest government expansions in US history. Conservative my ass.

Republicans/democrats both believe in expanding government. They have talking points, but never follow them.


Ryan voted for NDAA, voted for the bank
Bailouts, voted for the auto industry bailout, voted for expansion of Medicaid and on and on and on, his record is putrid and falls in line with the rest of the crooks. There is no difference between republicans or democrats. It's about time the fighting over non issues that these two parties use to keep us divided and fighting with each other comes to end and they actually address problems that matter. Don't expect it to happen anytime soon though. When all one has to do to be considered a conservative is say it out loud, we've truly
Hit rock bottom. None of these big government idiots are conservative. Ryan is terrible.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 10:02 PM
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OK, you've made the point in at least a couple of posts that they're all the same. I disagree strongly, but I can understand.

his record is putrid and falls in line with the rest of the crooks. There is no difference between republicans or democrats. . . . None of these big government idiots are conservative. Ryan is terrible.
is there some reason why you're specifically mentioning Ryan?

It seems that in your own mind, we will get the same results whether you vote R or D. No other candidate has any chance or earth to win, so why do you care who people vote for? It's all the same isn't it? I'd be more impressed if you said "You guys can vote for whomever you want, I'm not going to get into political discussions anymore because they don't matter. In fact, I'm going to flip a coin in the booth. No, better, I won't vote at all."



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by charles1952
reply to post by macaronicaesar
 

OK, you've made the point in at least a couple of posts that they're all the same. I disagree strongly, but I can understand.

his record is putrid and falls in line with the rest of the crooks. There is no difference between republicans or democrats. . . . None of these big government idiots are conservative. Ryan is terrible.
is there some reason why you're specifically mentioning Ryan?

It seems that in your own mind, we will get the same results whether you vote R or D. No other candidate has any chance or earth to win, so why do you care who people vote for? It's all the same isn't it? I'd be more impressed if you said "You guys can vote for whomever you want, I'm not going to get into political discussions anymore because they don't matter. In fact, I'm going to flip a coin in the booth. No, better, I won't vote at all."


A lot of this *"all the same"* talk may be genuine on some points. Probably on the highest international levels yes.

But I suspect most of it is actually the CodeWords for "vote for Obama because it doesn't matter anyway" jibberish.

Since Friday, the "Ryanoia" has set in deep.

The Left is now in panic mode bigtime. They can't use any of Obama records to fight back.

All that's left is attack the "enemy". Standard Saul Alinsky.

Just my opinion.


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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 10:18 PM
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Dear xuenchen,

You know that you are already an ATS legend and I have great respect for you. Almost everything you said, I can understand and agree with.

Perhaps it's only my ignorance of world affairs, but I had a little difficulty with this:


A lot of this *"all the same"* talk may be genuine on some points. Probably on the highest international levels yes.
Are you thinking about international trade, or banking, or foreign affairs? I'm not clear on the banking, but I do seem to see a difference in foreign relations and international trade.

What were you thinking about that I've missed?

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Are you thinking about international trade, or banking, or foreign affairs? I'm not clear on the banking, but I do seem to see a difference in foreign relations and international trade.


International banking mainly and international trade.

The worldwide cartels have set up the worldwide central banking system that seems to accommodate international trade that seems to be generating the worldwide profits to the few big banks and corporations (i.e. their stockholders).

I would think that all those agendas need local cooperation as well in order to fuel the fires of profit.

Perhaps we need the party system in some countries in order to make the local level more productive.

So what we see today is a two party system that needs to nurture both the international scene as well as the local scene.

The local scene is what the Democrats and Republicans have to focus on.

IMO, the big difference between Dems and Repubs is the way they keep the local markets alive.

The Dems prefer the collective "as big as we can get" approach.

The Dems want as much "administrative" bodies as possible. They want as many "middle men" as possible involved.

That seems to be the "commie" way IMO, and it keeps them rich through "administrative" salaries etc.

The Repubs (hopefully) are attempting to return us to the "Individualized" ways to local business, and minimize the "all hands in the same pot" theories.

If enough people have enough jobs, many of the "created" problems go away and won't come back so easy.

Obviously Romney and Obama may be the same on the world money scene, but the local scene is a different story from each. It's all about the methods and the results.

thanks for listening.

with respect,
xuenchen



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 12:10 AM
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Dear xuenchen,

I think you're clearly right on the local scene. While there is some humanity and decency involved in helping the poor (if it's real help), there has to be a limit to how much you can take from the people with jobs to give to the people who don't. That incentivizes non-work. I'm sure you know the path I'm going down.

Besides, I can't imagine another four years if we follow the same curve we are currently on. But that's all pretty obvious, too.

Where I'm most interested about in your discussion are the international aspects. We want peace, not only for it's own sake but to prevent the wild economic swings that war produces. In trade, especially, the results are severe.

Barring war (would that we could), a stable and predictable set of rules across countries would be a great help. Here, for me, it all falls apart. I don't know who would make the rules, enforce the rules, get other countries to agree, settle disputes peacefully, etc. Every country seems afraid of the rest, and fears losing some control over it's own economy, rights, and population.

I haven't done enough reading to see what proposals have been made, I'm just too ignorant. But I agree that if we have a very strong national economy we will be able to weather these uncertainties.

Significant issues like this are what make me so tired of hearing people complain about tax returns and such trivial matters.

With respect,
Charles1952



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 07:13 AM
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Originally posted by charles1952
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OK, you've made the point in at least a couple of posts that they're all the same. I disagree strongly, but I can understand.

his record is putrid and falls in line with the rest of the crooks. There is no difference between republicans or democrats. . . . None of these big government idiots are conservative. Ryan is terrible.
is there some reason why you're specifically mentioning Ryan?

It seems that in your own mind, we will get the same results whether you vote R or D. No other candidate has any chance or earth to win, so why do you care who people vote for? It's all the same isn't it? I'd be more impressed if you said "You guys can vote for whomever you want, I'm not going to get into political discussions anymore because they don't matter. In fact, I'm going to flip a coin in the booth. No, better, I won't vote at all."


I am sorry, I thought this was a thread about Paul Ryan, I am sorry for mentioning his name in a thread that is about him.

If it makes you feel better, Obama is equally bad, but no worse, they are the exact same, against you and for their corporate masters who finance their campaigns. This has nothing to do with left vs right. It is us vs them and it's about time many of you acknowledge it.
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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 07:34 AM
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No.. The only serious plan to come out of washington in decades would be that of one Ron Paul.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 07:38 AM
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I would just like to remind everyone that Ryan is Vice-President (potentially) NOT president.

This current attack is just another of a series to deflect from the dismal record that "president" Obama has wraught upon the nation.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 07:41 AM
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Exactly.
They have been manipulating these concepts as much as they can.
It takes a big government (liberal government) to have laws about both abortion and gay marriage.
A truly conservative government would leave those things up to states. They have been manipulating these concepts for decades. The tried to exclude those platforms to integrate the christian vote at the loss of the youth and progressive vote.

Ron Paul and supporters are single handedly straightening this out.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 07:42 AM
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Originally posted by macaronicaesar

That's because the article is a left wing talking piece.



This statement describes 80% of the articles posted on ATS. It's difficult to debate Paul Ryan's record when all the left has is false hit pieces which they post on here daily.



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