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Voting record analysis finds Paul Ryan most extreme VP nominee in a century

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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 11:51 AM
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Rep. Paul Ryan is the most ideologically far-from-center vice presidential nominee since at least 1900, according to one statistical analysis of historical Congressional voting records. Based on the DW-NOMINATE model, Ryan’s record makes him the most extreme nominee from either party during that stretch, meaning he is not only ranked as more conservative than any past GOP vice presidential nominee, but also as further from center than any Democratic number two over that same stretch.


I think this should be a wake up call to everyone in America. Do you really want someone with such EXTREME views to be VP? He's so conservative he might as well be a candidate from the Tea Party, and that's dangerous. Say goodbye to what little rights and freedoms you have left if this guy has any say in the matter.

Most extreme VP pick in 100 years

You know that if Dick Cheney thinks he is the best man for the job, and is a big fan of Paul's, then something must be wrong with him.

Cheney on Ryan: ‘I can’t think of a better choice’ for VP
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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 12:51 PM
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Extreme?

Is it extreme to try and save medicare, a program that as it stand will totally collapse in a few years?
Rein in out of control spending?
Pay down the National Debt?

This argument is complete and total bull.

As things stand Social Security and Medicare are not just going to scale back services in a few years their going to cease to exist. Our Government is nearing the limit of how much debt it can sustain. If we don't do something soon we will all suffer.

The Ryan Budget that was proposed a while back was the only serious plan I've seen come out of Washington in decades. Democrats attacked it because it attacked their beloved Social Programs, the Republicans attacked it because it at least in their mind cut too much form the Defense Budget. It was not perfect by any means but it did solve some of our biggest problem.

My General Opinion is that when both side hate something its good for us all, and when they claim its good for us its only good form them and their buddies.

Hell the Democrats haven't put out a budget in 3 years FFS.
And to top it off they added another Entitlement Program (Obamacare) to an already unsustainable system.

How long do you think our current reserves will last if we are consuming them at a faster rate?


Plus, Ryan is a Conservative Republican in a democratic district and continues to get re-elected. If this man is so extreme why does a predominantly democratic district continue to re-elect him?

Those that think Ryan is going to be easy to attack and that this will hurt Romney are fools. Ryan's pick for VP has solidified the Conservative Base, and when Ryan simply explains his ideas people get it.

Watch out folks this race just got interesting.

And on a side note: I recommend you all look back to the election of 1980 when President Carter was beating Reagan in the poles by a wide margin. And when it was said and done it was a land slide for Reagan.

Current polling date is way off, and if you do some digging you will find that the data is being manipulated.

So watch out folks this is going to be interesting were going to see the dirtiest political campaign in generations. But what do you expect form a man form Chicago political machine. If you can run on your record make the other guy look worse than you. This tactic works for a while but eventually people see threw the bull# and call you on it.


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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 12:56 PM
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Originally posted by JBRiddle
Extreme?

Is it extreme to try and save medicare, a program that as it stand will totally collapse in a few years?
Rein in out of control spending?
Pay down the National Debt?

This argument is complete and total bull.

The Ryan Budget that was proposed a while back was the only serious plan I've seen come out of Washington in decades. Democrats attacked it because it attacked their beloved Social Programs, the Republicans attacked it because it at least in their mind cut too much form the Defense Budget.

My General Opinion is that when both side hate something its good for us all, and when they claim its good for us its only good form them and their buddies.

Hell the Democrats haven't put out a budget in 3 years FFS.

Plus Ryan is a Conservative Republican in a democratic district and continues to get re-elected. If this man is so extreme why does a predominantly democratic district continue to re-elect him?

Those that think Ryan is going to be easy to attack and that this will hurt Romney are fools. Ryan's pick for VP has solidified the Conservative Base, and when Ryan simply explains his ideas people get it.

Watch out folks this race just got interesting.



That's their strategy. Paint Ryan as extreme.

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Obama/Biden strategy -- kick the can down the road -- . If you disagree, then you are

an extremist !


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It looks like we have a liberal from Canada attacking Paul Ryan. Hmmmm...



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:03 PM
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The extremists are currently IN the White House. We need real solutions, not a pandering and a social justice give-a-way of tax payer dollars.

Best common-sense solution I've seen this year.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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He is a candidate from the Tea Party.
That is precisely why he was chosen. The real question people should be asking is whether or not they want to be fooled by having a conservative as the VP candidate, where he has basically no power whatsoever, and then have Romney on top of the ticket. Seems like a great way to silence and neuter one of the more vocal Tea Party members if you ask me. I'm disappointed that he would take this gig.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:11 PM
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With all due respect, exaulted modliness,
We need to look at the big picture. See who's running on the other ticket. Sure, I guess we can all stand on principle but all that'll get us is four more years of Obama.

If this gets us one step closer to where we need to be, then it's a direction that I endorse.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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Romney and Ryan over 0bama and Biden any day, any week any time.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by sensfan
 


He is a candidate from the Tea Party.
That is precisely why he was chosen. The real question people should be asking is whether or not they want to be fooled by having a conservative as the VP candidate, where he has basically no power whatsoever, and then have Romney on top of the ticket. Seems like a great way to silence and neuter one of the more vocal Tea Party members if you ask me. I'm disappointed that he would take this gig.



And Paul Ryan will ensure - Wisconsin - goes in the Romney column.

That's 10 Electoral Votes.


Paul Ryan has the qualities to accomplish the Tea Party Mission.

- Tea Party Mission -



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:18 PM
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Nope. I'll never vote for the lesser of two evils again. From now on, I'm voting for the person I think will make the best president and letting the cards fall where they may. If we all voted our conscience instead of voting for the likely winners or powerhouses that have party support, maybe we could begin to actually change the outcomes of elections and give better candidates a shot at actually winning.

Besides, I really don't see a difference between 4 more years of Obama and 4 years of Romney. They won't repeal the Healthcare Act unless there is a big upset in the Senate. Romney will slightly revise it and call it a political victory. He won't repeal it. Obama had the bailouts, Romney will have tax cuts on the rich. Both parties compromised on the debt ceiling increase, and neither party will support a balanced budget amendment. It really doesn't matter if the winner has an R or a D next to their name, the result is the same unless we find a new kind of candidate.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:24 PM
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Yes! Imagine that a true conservative on a Republican ticket. About freaking time. Too bad Romney's on there too. Once again the Republicans manage to get a better VP than POTUS candidate on the ticket.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Nope. I'll never vote for the lesser of two evils again. From now on, I'm voting for the person I think will make the best president and letting the cards fall where they may. If we all voted our conscience instead of voting for the likely winners or powerhouses that have party support, maybe we could begin to actually change the outcomes of elections and give better candidates a shot at actually winning.

Besides, I really don't see a difference between 4 more years of Obama and 4 years of Romney. They won't repeal the Healthcare Act unless there is a big upset in the Senate. Romney will slightly revise it and call it a political victory. He won't repeal it. Obama had the bailouts, Romney will have tax cuts on the rich. Both parties compromised on the debt ceiling increase, and neither party will support a balanced budget amendment. It really doesn't matter if the winner has an R or a D next to their name, the result is the same unless we find a new kind of candidate.


Cynical. My oh my.

Romney is not my first choice but his direction is diametricaly opposite to Obama.

Keynesian economics vs Free Market.

He will repeal ACA.

He will cut the dream act.

He will instill and return a level of confidence to small business owners.

At least, that's my humble opinion, your modliness.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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I hope you're right, but I honestly don't see him accomplishing any of those things, and I think he is as Keynesian as anyone else on the national stage. Nobody is truly for a Free Market. Ron Paul was the closest.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by beezzer
 


I hope you're right, but I honestly don't see him accomplishing any of those things, and I think he is as Keynesian as anyone else on the national stage. Nobody is truly for a Free Market. Ron Paul was the closest.


And I hope you're wrong.

I just can't imagine another 4 years of Obama. It'd be giving him a mandate to do any and everything he wants to the nation and the economy.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer

Originally posted by getreadyalready
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Nope. I'll never vote for the lesser of two evils again. From now on, I'm voting for the person I think will make the best president and letting the cards fall where they may. If we all voted our conscience instead of voting for the likely winners or powerhouses that have party support, maybe we could begin to actually change the outcomes of elections and give better candidates a shot at actually winning.

Besides, I really don't see a difference between 4 more years of Obama and 4 years of Romney. They won't repeal the Healthcare Act unless there is a big upset in the Senate. Romney will slightly revise it and call it a political victory. He won't repeal it. Obama had the bailouts, Romney will have tax cuts on the rich. Both parties compromised on the debt ceiling increase, and neither party will support a balanced budget amendment. It really doesn't matter if the winner has an R or a D next to their name, the result is the same unless we find a new kind of candidate.


Cynical. My oh my.

Romney is not my first choice but his direction is diametricaly opposite to Obama.

Keynesian economics vs Free Market.

He will repeal ACA.

He will cut the dream act.

He will instill and return a level of confidence to small business owners.

At least, that's my humble opinion, your modliness.


President Mitt Romney and VP Paul Ryan will deliver -- certainty -- to the

U.S. economy. That will enable small businesses to make business plans

that can succeed.


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-- America tried on a socialist suit and it did not fit. --



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by sensfan
I think this should be a wake up call to everyone in America. Do you really want someone with such EXTREME views to be VP? He's so conservative he might as well be a candidate from the Tea Party, and that's dangerous. Say goodbye to what little rights and freedoms you have left if this guy has any say in the matter.

Most extreme VP pick in 100 years

You know that if Dick Cheney thinks he is the best man for the job, and is a big fan of Paul's, then something must be wrong with him.

Cheney on Ryan: ‘I can’t think of a better choice’ for VP
edit on 13-8-2012 by sensfan because: (no reason given)


Do you have ANY idea what you're talking about? Or, did you just string together and parrot all of the liberal media talking points from the last news cycle???

Since you probably have no idea how incorrect you are, I will take the time to point them out. First of all, if Conservatism is extreme and if the Tea party is extreme then the forefathers were extremely extreme and the Constitution is the most extreme governing philosophy ever placed before mankind!

Care to share your misguided statement that the Tea Party is dangerous? Do you even know what the Tea Party platform stands for? It stands for limited government, lower taxes, less regulation, less government interferance into people's lives, state's rights, less government spending etc... That sounds "Dangerous" to you??? I guess it might if you are a tax and spend liberal who believes that a nanny-state is the answer to our prayers!


You obviously have no idea that the "rights and freedoms" you so willingly wring your hands over are the same rights and freedoms that obama has seen fit to dismantle during his first 4 years - NDAA, TrapWire, Fast n Furious, Gitmo, etc... This president has effectivly interferred with, if not destroyed outright, Ammendments 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, and 10. By my count, this assclown has dismantled the ENTIRE Bill of Rights save the 3rd Ammendment, and only because we are not at war domestically! And somehow you fear the Tea Party!?!?

YOU are EXACTLY what the hell is wrong with this country!



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:40 PM
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We need balance, not right-wing social engineering (as Newt has called it).

Ryan doesn't want to save Medicare. Ryan wants to gut everything and make his handlers even richer.

Substitute Ryan for any other centrist-liberal-conservative candidate in the past 35 years and you'll get my drift.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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off-topic post removed to prevent thread-drift


 



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:45 PM
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Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
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We need balance, not right-wing social engineering (as Newt has called it).

Ryan doesn't want to save Medicare. Ryan wants to gut everything and make his handlers even richer.

Substitute Ryan for any other centrist-liberal-conservative candidate in the past 35 years and you'll get my drift.


Balance is just another word for compromise.

Compromise is just another word for losing your principles.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:47 PM
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Sorry to get into this so late, after all the discussion has been formed and I want to go a little outside of it, back to the main topic.

I followed the link to the OP's source, and was greeted by a long listing of the members of the 112th Congress. Ron Paul was listed as the 435th most conservative out of 436. Paul Ryan was listed as the 373rd.

This, of course, makes me question the validity of the entire OP.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:48 PM
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Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
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We need balance, not right-wing social engineering (as Newt has called it).

Ryan doesn't want to save Medicare. Ryan wants to gut everything and make his handlers even richer.

Substitute Ryan for any other centrist-liberal-conservative candidate in the past 35 years and you'll get my drift.


Balance = liberals digging in their heels to save ObamaCare at all costs


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It is time for a change.

America tried on a socialist suit and it did not fit.

We will repeal & replace ObamaCare.




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