DHS places new order for 750 million rounds, page 4


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reply posted on 13-8-2012 @ 01:58 PM by ElohimJD
Originally posted by getreadyalready
Somewhere above
220,000 employees fall under the purview of DHS. Some are going to be support and admin of course, but a billion rounds is only about 4,000 rounds per employee. (corrected math)

Say only 25% of the employee force has to qualify with weapons, that is still 60,000 people. 50 rounds of practice per year per person, and about 10 in a magazine to carry on duty, and you have a need for 600,000 hollow points, and 3 million practice rounds each year. Hopefully the ones that really are in the mix are shooting a lot more than 50 rounds of training per year, so the numbers published seem just about right.

As far as hollow points being banned by the Geneva Convention.... that was a stupid move. We use hollow points because it gives more knockdown power and less chance of pass-through to unintended targets. A practice round would actually be MORE DANGEROUS in a LEO or domestic situation, because you might hit someone behind your intended target, or ricochet and hit just about anyone. I use an "extreme frangible" in my carry guns, because it is even more dangerous to the intended target, and less dangerous to everyone else. Air Marshall's supposedly use something similar to avoid damaging an airplane if they have to fire it onboard.
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You were correct before.

These ammunitions are never meant to be used by US military/DHS against US citizens. They are to be used by a foreign occupying force (NATO) on behalf of the US governement, due to the inability of US military personnel to fire against US citizens.

It is the preparring that DHS and FEMA are responsible for, neither orginization will be the ones in possession of these items, or executing any portion of plan once martial law is enacted and NATO troops begin the occupation of the US.

Cut of the cities (isolation), then control the food. It is not hard with a foreign occupation force that has 30,000 UAVs at their disposal, millions of cameras in city intersections for monitoring, and a US freeway system designed to aid martial law scenarios (only a couple ways to get from city to city).

God Bless,


reply posted on 13-8-2012 @ 03:13 PM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by roadgravel


Full Metal "Jacket" (FMJ), Yes......
"Jacketed" Hollow Point (JHP), No.


reply posted on 13-8-2012 @ 03:17 PM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by Neocrusader


Cerberus (owned by the Carlyle Group) is buying up Gun Manufacturers also. It wouldnt surprise me to see a LBO using Govt $ to control these companies and then shut them down or something (and they would probabaly simultaneously make reloading illegal also).


reply posted on 13-8-2012 @ 03:20 PM by CosmicCitizen
Originally posted by getreadyalready
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What if you're safely on your porch as something happens out on the street. Bullets start flying, and the FMJ rounds are bouncing off the windshield and hood of the car and peppering your house, while the hollow points are breaking up as soon as they hit something and not causing any significant danger to you.
I think it is preferable to not get shot at all, rather than to have to choose which one might hurt you more. The idea is to not have any unintended targets.


YES I AGREE WITH THAT. Someone else mentioned the Air Marshall rounds which are extremely frangible being made of super compressed metallic powder that basically disintegrate as the round transfers its energy to the target with no over-penetration possible.
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reply posted on 13-8-2012 @ 03:21 PM by roadgravel
reply to post by CosmicCitizen



I was referring to FMJ. Just seems a bit inhuman for the police to not use a fully jacketed bullet.

Maybe since the non police have them, it is all bets off. Maybe if is just non duty use.

It used to be thought that non FMJ rounds had a higher rate of jamming. If that were the case I would think police would shy away for reliability reasons.


reply posted on 13-8-2012 @ 03:33 PM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by Vitruvian


Vitruvian (Man) ....unless it is a Black Ops there still has to be a paper trail for the General Accounting Office (GAO) for all agency procurements. Speaking of "black ops" I cant wait for a whistleblower to post an order for nerve gas or something.



reply posted on 13-8-2012 @ 03:36 PM by CosmicCitizen
reply to post by roadgravel


Yes there should be fewer jams with FMJ but the difference is probably de minimis versus the relative effectiveness. Remember when they shoot their firearm they dont shoot to warn or wound....they shoot to kill (center mass) so they want the deadliest bullet available (and get them as the Geneva Convention does not apply here - but it might make TPTB down play the semantics of "the 'war' on terror").
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reply posted on 13-8-2012 @ 09:51 PM by Bakatono
reply to post by My.mind.is.mine



I agree with you, but MAN, that is a lot of training

750,000,000 / 1000 (just a swag at how much may be burned up in a training session by 10 ppl) / 365 (days in the year) = 2054 training sessions a day every day of the year.

Lot of shooting


reply posted on 13-8-2012 @ 11:30 PM by sladewilson
reply to post by ElohimJD



Never thought of it that way. I figured the smart military personal (with possible civilian efforts) would evenly split and attack the personal that would go through with orders against the population. If it came to a civil war, but with a foreign intervention i believe youre correct
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