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Originally posted by nixie_nox
I doubt this story is valid. It is the new campaign for christians to make themselves out to be victims. It is starting to show up all over ats.
Originally posted by tothetenthpower
Did anybody see the source?
WND?
I'd be hard pressed to believe anything they say, unless an alternate source can be found with the same information. Usually there isn't.
~Tenth
Originally posted by snarky412
CITY SAYS CHRISTIANS CAN'T GIVE WATER TO THIRSTY
Once again, this takes place in Arizona and on a day where the temperature reached 112 degrees. The case developed in July during a “First Friday” festival when Dana Crow-Smith was giving “free bottles of cold water to passersby” on the public sidewalk “as a means of exercising her Christian beliefs.”
"According to a letter to the city from the Rutherford Institute, Rutherford’s president, John W. Whitehead, said in the letter the city’s actions are problematic, as they “not only violated Ms. Crow-Smith’s statutory and First Amendment rights to freely exercise her religion and Fourteenth Amendment due process rights,” they also were “unjustified under the city code itself".
“As these provisions are expressly limited to the sale of goods, they clearly do not apply to Ms. Crow-Smith’s act of giving away water. Thus, Inspector Grierson’s actions constitute a completely unjustified interference with an act of charity by a private citizen and a violation of Ms. Crow-Smith’s right to be free from interference with her fundamental liberty interests absent due process of law under the Fourteenth Amendment.”
"A resolution includes that the woman is supposed to receive a written apology, written assurance that the city will no longer interfere with such acts of charity and training for city officials so they understand the First Amendment".
www.wnd.com...
"It is a sad day when a person, who thinks of others by giving them cold water on a very hot day, is persecuted for a charitable act of kindness. And her religious faith should have no bearing what so ever".
ETA: Did quick search and didn't see this. Please remove if already posted......
ETA: Added new link to story......
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Originally posted by Inconceivable
I totally believe that this happened. For some reason, authorities hate when things are given away. Once, I was on lunch break, and a guy who was selling flowers was getting ready to close up. He had a whole bucket of flowers left over, and wanted to just get rid of them all. I asked him how much he would take for all of them, and he said I could have all of them for $5. I paid him the money, and I thought it would be nice to give the flowers away for free to help brighten people's day. Here I was giving flowers away on public property, with ladies thanking me and telling me how sweet it was, and a cop decides to come up and harass me. I told him I was not selling the flowers, but he said it didn't matter because I didn't have a license. He also told me that it is suspicious when a person just gives things away for free, and that "people just don't do that". He was rude and condescending, treating me as if I had just robbed or beat someone. He told me that I would be arrested if I did not stop, so I ended up throwing the flowers away. My day was ruined. My heart literally hurt, and I ended up crying after I told a friend about it. I thought I was doing something really nice, and here I get thanked by being harassed.
As the unfortunate lady found out, it just doesn't pay nowadays to give from your heart. It causes nothing but problems. Nice, caring and giving people are learning more and more that no good deed goes unpunished.
Originally posted by Hefficide
If this story is valid - then it's a perfect example of governmental abuse and should cause an outrage. Unfortunately I've Googled it every way till Sunday and cannot verify it locally in any Phoenix news source. So I remain skeptical.
~Heff
Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by TXRabbit
After thousands of years of murder and oppression, no one will feel sorry for Christians anytime soon.
Originally posted by Inconceivable
I totally believe that this happened. For some reason, authorities hate when things are given away. Once, I was on lunch break, and a guy who was selling flowers was getting ready to close up. He had a whole bucket of flowers left over, and wanted to just get rid of them all. I asked him how much he would take for all of them, and he said I could have all of them for $5. I paid him the money, and I thought it would be nice to give the flowers away for free to help brighten people's day. Here I was giving flowers away on public property, with ladies thanking me and telling me how sweet it was, and a cop decides to come up and harass me. I told him I was not selling the flowers, but he said it didn't matter because I didn't have a license. He also told me that it is suspicious when a person just gives things away for free, and that "people just don't do that". He was rude and condescending, treating me as if I had just robbed or beat someone. He told me that I would be arrested if I did not stop, so I ended up throwing the flowers away. My day was ruined. My heart literally hurt, and I ended up crying after I told a friend about it. I thought I was doing something really nice, and here I get thanked by being harassed.
As the unfortunate lady found out, it just doesn't pay nowadays to give from your heart. It causes nothing but problems. Nice, caring and giving people are learning more and more that no good deed goes unpunished.
Originally posted by nixie_nox
reply to post by TXRabbit
After thousands of years of murder and oppression, no one will feel sorry for Christians anytime soon.
Originally posted by snarky412
CITY SAYS CHRISTIANS CAN'T GIVE WATER TO THIRSTY
Once again, this takes place in Arizona and on a day where the temperature reached 112 degrees. The case developed in July during a “First Friday” festival when Dana Crow-Smith was giving “free bottles of cold water to passersby” on the public sidewalk “as a means of exercising her Christian beliefs.”
She “was moved” to offer the refreshment “to people at the festival who were braving the desert’s scorching 112-degree heat,” said the letter to city attorney Gary Verburg.
“According to Ms. Crow-Smith, her group was approached by Neighborhood Preservation Inspector Dwayne Grierson, who told them that they were violating the Phoenix City Code by giving away water without a vendor’s permit,” the letter explains. In fact, Grierson insisted that giving water away was “prohibited.”
The ban, however, violates several significant precedents, such as the First Amendment to the United States Constitution and Arizona’s Freedom of Religious Exercise Act, Rutherford officials wrote.
According to a letter to the city from the Rutherford Institute, Rutherford’s president, John W. Whitehead, said in the letter the city’s actions are problematic, as they “not only violated Ms. Crow-Smith’s statutory and First Amendment rights to freely exercise her religion and Fourteenth Amendment due process rights,” they also were “unjustified under the city code itself.
“As these provisions are expressly limited to the sale of goods, they clearly do not apply to Ms. Crow-Smith’s act of giving away water. Thus, Inspector Grierson’s actions constitute a completely unjustified interference with an act of charity by a private citizen and a violation of Ms. Crow-Smith’s right to be free from interference with her fundamental liberty interests absent due process of law under the Fourteenth Amendment.”
A resolution includes that the woman is supposed to receive a written apology, written assurance that the city will no longer interfere with such acts of charity and training for city officials so they understand the First Amendment.
www.wnd.com...
It is a sad day when a person, who thinks of others by giving them cold water on a very hot day, is persecuted for a charitable act of kindness. And her religious faith should have no bearing what so ever.
ETA: Did quick search and didn't see this. Please remove if already posted......
ETA: Added new link to story......
edit on 12-8-2012 by snarky412 because: (no reason given)edit on 12-8-2012 by snarky412 because: (no reason given)