71-year-old taken to the ground for questioning Paul Ryan

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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:26 PM
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No they should not speak up if he is giving a speech and they were warned prior that interruptions would result in being escorted out or arrest. You should be able to give a speech without being shouted down. If you have an issue give a speech at your own event or protest outside.




posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:30 PM
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Well, that's like your opinion man.

I don't think a stupid joke to defuse the situation automatically makes the man a bad person or 'proves' he is disconnected. If anything it shows he wasn't using the best judgement. Seemed like a number of people there found it funny. I found it funny.

Let's all pretend to be PC because the guy we don't like said something we find mildly offensive. Even if this was an 'old joke' what's the big deal? He didn't say it with malice or hate. Blowing it out of proportion for political pandering is silly, all I'm really trying to say. It was a non event.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:31 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23
the day we agree that you cannot question an elected leader no matter the time or place we have lost our voice in this country.

here is a lame example, but what if ryan was talking about forced abortions on all white women because too many white babies are on welfare.

should nobody speak up? i know that is an extreme example but there should never be a time or place that we agree to be silenced.

bad example, but how can any american citizen agree that we shouldnt question an elected leader anytime or anywhere if they are way out of line in, our opinion.

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There are usually question and answer sessions after these events. That's the time you have to speak out. I've always been told it's rude to interrupt when others are speaking.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
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Well, that's like your opinion man.

I don't think a stupid joke to defuse the situation automatically makes the man a bad person or 'proves' he is disconnected. If anything it shows he wasn't using the best judgement. Seemed like a number of people there found it funny. I found it funny.

Let's all pretend to be PC because the guy we don't like said something we find mildly offensive. Even if this was an 'old joke' what's the big deal? He didn't say it with malice or hate. Blowing it out of proportion for political pandering is silly, all I'm really trying to say. It was a non event.


It's not an opinion. There is a reason why people in his position have advisors on things they can and cannot say. When you are representing the public, you ARE held at a different standard. It's that simple.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:33 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23
the day we agree that you cannot question an elected leader no matter the time or place we have lost our voice in this country.


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


The day we allow every person bent on disruption to monopolize the conversation, there'll be too much white noise for anyone's voice to be heard. Allowing anyone to speak, wherever and whenever they want, however they want for as long as they want at the expense of someone else speaking, has the same result as silencing everyone.

At that point, we will have lost our voices in this country.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:36 PM
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Originally posted by yeahright

Originally posted by elitegamer23
the day we agree that you cannot question an elected leader no matter the time or place we have lost our voice in this country.


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.


The day we allow every person bent on disruption to monopolize the conversation, there'll be too much white noise for anyone's voice to be heard. Allowing anyone to speak, wherever and whenever they want, however they want for as long as they want at the expense of someone else speaking, has the same result as silencing everyone.

At that point, we will have lost our voices in this country.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


so essentially we are screwed if we do, we are screwed if we dont.

its no wonder we lost this country to the rich and powerful elite.

divided we fell!



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:37 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by elitegamer23
 


No they should not speak up if he is giving a speech and they were warned prior that interruptions would result in being escorted out or arrest. You should be able to give a speech without being shouted down. If you have an issue give a speech at your own event or protest outside.


you have mastered the art of first post on the top of a new page!

im going to star you for that



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:38 PM
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No, you missed the point, Ryan should have stood up for the man's right to tell a candidate what he thought.


A conversation was a two way street as in the video the elderly gentlemen did not want to listen to anything Ryan had to say.

Much like American politics either right or left it is their way or the high way and talk over people is that evidence of being "brutal" like many have claimed it to be?

Mocking people like some people have said in this thread?

I suggest people take the time and do some research of just how tolerant they themselves are.
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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:39 PM
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There is a reason why people in his position have advisors on things they can and cannot say.


Wait, wait. I thought you were PRO free speech. It's fine for someone to come in and louse up a speech you're giving, but you are in NO way allowed to heckle the heckler? The one that was warned outside not to come in?

How do we even know this was an age joke? The guy was fat too. Maybe it was a fat joke. Maybe it was just a joke about someone getting their blood pressure spiked because they were yelling loudly and causing a scene. That last seems most probably to me. It's a stupid little joke. You don't get to judge someone based on ONE joke they made a year ago without knowing what was in their mind.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:40 PM
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I'm against the entitlement system
But the old man has a point, the entitlement system needs to be abolished but something needs to be done for those who did pour their hard earned money into it

A transition period is needed



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I'm against the entitlement system
But the old man has a point, the entitlement system needs to be abolished but something needs to be done for those who did pour their hard earned money into it

A transition period is needed


ive been paying into social security since i was 12.

what do i expect to get when i retire?

jack!



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:42 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23

Originally posted by Domo1
reply to post by elitegamer23
 


No they should not speak up if he is giving a speech and they were warned prior that interruptions would result in being escorted out or arrest. You should be able to give a speech without being shouted down. If you have an issue give a speech at your own event or protest outside.


you have mastered the art of first post on the top of a new page!

im going to star you for that


LMAO I noticed that too. It's actually not intentional. I think if I were trying for it I would fail miserably.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:43 PM
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Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I'm against the entitlement system
But the old man has a point, the entitlement system needs to be abolished but something needs to be done for those who did pour their hard earned money into it

A transition period is needed


I would think Ryan has a plan for that. I'm not sure though. I certainly don't agree with essentially robbing the elderly. You pay in, you expect a pay out.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:44 PM
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The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Not saying that at all. There's a protocol in place for ensuring everyone's able to speak up and it isn't just the biggest mouth who bludgeons their way in who gets heard.

You know, it wasn't all that long before this meeting that a congresswoman was shot up at a meeting in Arizona. You think that may have anything to do with how seriously the security detail responsible for these events take blatant disruption?

I can see where escorting him out only might not be the most sensible thing to do, when he could head to his car, get a gun, and come back.

Nope, after what happened, I'd have definitely taken him to the station at least until the meeting was over, do a little check on the guy, then release him into the wild if he didn't show up as a serial loon. That's called diligence.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:45 PM
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i wish ats had more people like you.

someone i can disagree with but someone who knows how to respectfully disagree.

there are actually quite a few people in this thread who have learned to discuss things instead of simply argue about it.


you should intentionally not have the first post on the next page lol.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23

Originally posted by ModernAcademia
I'm against the entitlement system
But the old man has a point, the entitlement system needs to be abolished but something needs to be done for those who did pour their hard earned money into it

A transition period is needed


ive been paying into social security since i was 12.

what do i expect to get when i retire?

jack!


Considering it is illegal to make children work how the hell does someone pay in to SS at age 12?

Love to see the paystubs that proves such a thing.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:48 PM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23
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i wish ats had more people like you.

someone i can disagree with but someone who knows how to respectfully disagree.

there are actually quite a few people in this thread who have learned to discuss things instead of simply argue about it.


you should intentionally not have the first post on the next page lol.


Well thank you, that was nice and I think the same of you. That being said you're still totally wrong. Come on first post!

I've been wrong and had things gentl pointed out to me many a time here. I'm trying to be less of a prick.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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Originally posted by Domo1
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There is a reason why people in his position have advisors on things they can and cannot say.


Wait, wait. I thought you were PRO free speech. It's fine for someone to come in and louse up a speech you're giving, but you are in NO way allowed to heckle the heckler? The one that was warned outside not to come in?

How do we even know this was an age joke? The guy was fat too. Maybe it was a fat joke. Maybe it was just a joke about someone getting their blood pressure spiked because they were yelling loudly and causing a scene. That last seems most probably to me. It's a stupid little joke. You don't get to judge someone based on ONE joke they made a year ago without knowing what was in their mind.


Don't twist my words around. Like I've said in previous posts, I agree the older man should have waited his turn to speak. What I don't agree with is the way mr Ryan handled it with his 'joke'. That is not something I would expect from anyone in politics, it just shows they cannot handle it when put under the gun, hence, his joke.

He handled it poorly and unprofessionally. It also is a precursor to show the type of attitude he will bring to the table as VP (where he will be questioned, ridiculed, even yelled at point blank) by the American public, others in congress, and in the international stage. He displayed very poor character.

I feel bad the old guy was dragged off like that, but that's not the reason for my previous comments. Again, it's about the unprofessional way mr Ryan handled it. If he had kept quiet and let security do its job (as was seen on video), it would have looked much better on him, his display was just as bad as the 71yo. Mr Ryan couldn't hold his composer or professionalism as a politician, THAT'S my point.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:51 PM
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i picked beans for a farmer when i was 12, and detasseled corn when i was 14.

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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 06:52 PM
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I thought he held his composure rather well. He made a funny, had good timing, didn't seem at all flustered. Seems like a pro speaker to me. Now I get that some are offended by the joke, but people get offended about everything. I don't think one joke gives much insight into how professional someone is going to be, or a good indication of their character or ideals.





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