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Originally posted by acidsweep
Jokes like these just show the type of character (or lack of) the person has. This goes for everyone.
ps. Just because it wasn't a public event doesn't give him (or anyone) the right to demean another person.edit on 14-8-2012 by acidsweep because: (no reason given)edit on 14-8-2012 by acidsweep because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by nunyadammm
reply to post by Sparky63
Why are so many of you having so much trouble understanding the difference between saying something stupid/mean and insulting a constituent to their face as they are being handcuffed and escorted away?
Originally posted by Sparky63
I don't see it as an insult. Maybe my skin is a little thicker than others here. But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys.
The old man had the option of being respectful. Had he been he probably would have been treated differently.
But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys.
I reject the notion that Ryan did anything wrong.
Originally posted by nunyadammm
Originally posted by Sparky63
I don't see it as an insult. Maybe my skin is a little thicker than others here. But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys.
Wait a minute.
Was it an insult or not?
You say you do not see it as an insult but then go right on to say it was not choir boy behavior.
The old man had the option of being respectful. Had he been he probably would have been treated differently.
Why should he be respectful?
Someone just told me
But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys.
So it seems like you are a little confused as to what you actually think here.
I reject the notion that Ryan did anything wrong.
Good for you. That is why seniors that do not want to vote for Obama, are not willing to because Romney/Ryan scares them to death. Tell me this video is going to help with those people? Your mind is already made up, your mind is not going to change. Romney needs to worry about the people who might not vote for him, not people like you that cannot vote for him fast enough.
Originally posted by pointr97
Debate - The ability to express views and opinions without becoming emotional combative with the opponent.
I'm actually sorry I started the thread, I thank all trolls for helping us decide to keep our opinions to ourselves. Good Job.
Originally posted by Sparky63
Ryan did not insult the man. I don't know how much plainer I can be. For those that think Ryan insulted him then I contend that they are incredibly thin skinned and are bound to be disappointed if they expect politicians to act like choir boys.
My mind is made up and I'm not voting for Romney. Guess you are wrong again.
Originally posted by nunyadammm
Originally posted by Sparky63
Ryan did not insult the man. I don't know how much plainer I can be. For those that think Ryan insulted him then I contend that they are incredibly thin skinned and are bound to be disappointed if they expect politicians to act like choir boys.
My mind is made up and I'm not voting for Romney. Guess you are wrong again.
You do not understand at all. It matters very little if you or I think the man was insulted. If that man felt insulted, he was insulted. But hey, if you like the idea of handing Obama the next election then fine.
Besides, you are still confused. You keep saying it is not an insult but then explain away how you expect them to not be choir boys. So was it an insult or was he being a choir boy?
When you figure it out, let me know.edit on 15-8-2012 by nunyadammm because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Terminal1
Congressman Ryan is a public servant. He chose this avenue for his career, all 13 years of it, and if this is the best he can do to handle a citizen then he has no business being a public servant. Some of you have it backwards.
Private or public venues does not change the fact that Congressman Ryan is a public servant and a representative of the US at multiple levels of federal, state and local governments. He is required to show utmost respect to any citizen, especially who he represents directly, that wishes to ask him a question period. Full stop. End of transmission.
He is no King and should only gain respect if he is representing his constituency well.
This idea that a citizen has to worship any public official is just assnine.
The idea that we elect "leaders" to represent us in this Republic needs to stop. We elect "servants" plain and simple. If someone does not like being a public servant then they need to find another line of work.
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by Terminal1
Congressman Ryan is a public servant. He chose this avenue for his career, all 13 years of it, and if this is the best he can do to handle a citizen then he has no business being a public servant. Some of you have it backwards.
Private or public venues does not change the fact that Congressman Ryan is a public servant and a representative of the US at multiple levels of federal, state and local governments. He is required to show utmost respect to any citizen, especially who he represents directly, that wishes to ask him a question period. Full stop. End of transmission.
He is no King and should only gain respect if he is representing his constituency well.
This idea that a citizen has to worship any public official is just assnine.
The idea that we elect "leaders" to represent us in this Republic needs to stop. We elect "servants" plain and simple. If someone does not like being a public servant then they need to find another line of work.
Can you name one public servant that fits your standards of ,"showing utmost respect to any citizen, especially who he represents directly, that wishes to ask him a question period."
I am truly interested in your response.
Originally posted by Sparky63
No my friend you are the one who is confused. I do not think Ryan insulted the old man.
Originally posted by nunyadammm
Originally posted by Sparky63
No my friend you are the one who is confused. I do not think Ryan insulted the old man.
You have said all this 4 times now.
You just keep repeating the same crap.
No one cares if you felt the old man was insulted.
The old man probably has no clue who you are.
Originally posted by Terminal1
My standards? Do you not think House of Representative members are servants?edit on 15-8-2012 by Terminal1 because: redundancy
He is required to show utmost respect to any citizen, especially who he represents directly, that wishes to ask him a question period. Full stop. End of transmission.
Again, nothing, absolutely nothing you posted has to do with what is on video. You want to know why he gets voted in office so often? Because corps love him. The military industry loves him, I wonder why? As far as being for the people, he is far from it.
What's your agenda? You obviously are quite scared Mr Ryan is being put in a bad light, even though your so positive that members from both sides loveeeee him. Or are you afraid the bushes are burning faster than you can put them out? LOL.
As you've said in your previous post, at least you only have one vote.
I'm actually sorry I started the thread, I thank all trolls for helping us decide to keep our opinions to ourselves. Good Job.
Mr Ryan wants to raise taxes for the middle class, while lowering taxes for corps/big business (his reasoning is, they create jobs.. And we've all seen where the jobs went). On top of that he wants to reduce govt spending in most areas, yet wants to increase spending in military). Mr ryan is pro war (he was a heavy backer for both of our most recent wars.
I don't see it as an insult. Maybe my skin is a little thicker than others here. But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys. The old man had the option of being respectful. Had he been he probably would have been treated differently. I reject the notion that Ryan did anything wrong.
A simple man can't go to en event with a politician and ask a simple question, without having the Gestapo step on his neck.
Ryan wants to raise the retirement age, reduce Medicare, reduce Social Security, raise taxes on the lower ranks so he can bestow bigger tax cuts to the wealthiest.
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by acidsweep
Jokes like these just show the type of character (or lack of) the person has. This goes for everyone.
ps. Just because it wasn't a public event doesn't give him (or anyone) the right to demean another person.edit on 14-8-2012 by acidsweep because: (no reason given)edit on 14-8-2012 by acidsweep because: (no reason given)
So that must mean that Biden is a horrible man considering the fact that he made a joke about 711 owners and demeaned a whole race of people. I don't remember seeing any outrage from the left over that. And that is just scratching the surface with Biden.
The truth is that when you speak in public as much as a politician does you are bound to make a gaff every now and then. I reject the notion that you can judge a man's character over such a minor incident. I would even cut Biden some slack over something like this.
First of all, what does Biden have to do with this? Secondly, Biden is just as as Mr Ryan. You guys need better arguments, seriously.
Originally posted by acidsweep
First of all, what does Biden have to do with this? Secondly, Biden is just as as Mr Ryan. You guys need better arguments, seriously.
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by acidsweep
First of all, what does Biden have to do with this? Secondly, Biden is just as as Mr Ryan. You guys need better arguments, seriously.
First of all I reject the notion that Ryan did anything wrong.
But if people are going to feign outrage that a politician disrespected someone they better take a good hard look at their own candidates first and not be blinded by the rafter in their own eye. Clean up your own house before you attempt to clean up your neighbors..
B the way, I am not voting for Romney/Ryan but can clearly see the hypocrisy in this whole thread.
edit on 8/15/2012 by Sparky63 because: (no reason given)