71-year-old taken to the ground for questioning Paul Ryan

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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 06:15 AM
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Originally posted by acidsweep
Jokes like these just show the type of character (or lack of) the person has. This goes for everyone.

ps. Just because it wasn't a public event doesn't give him (or anyone) the right to demean another person.
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So that must mean that Biden is a horrible man considering the fact that he made a joke about 711 owners and demeaned a whole race of people. I don't remember seeing any outrage from the left over that. And that is just scratching the surface with Biden.

The truth is that when you speak in public as much as a politician does you are bound to make a gaff every now and then. I reject the notion that you can judge a man's character over such a minor incident. I would even cut Biden some slack over something like this.




posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 06:21 AM
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Why are so many of you having so much trouble understanding the difference between saying something stupid/mean and insulting a constituent to their face as they are being handcuffed and escorted away?



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 06:27 AM
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Originally posted by nunyadammm
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Why are so many of you having so much trouble understanding the difference between saying something stupid/mean and insulting a constituent to their face as they are being handcuffed and escorted away?


I don't see it as an insult. Maybe my skin is a little thicker than others here. But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys. The old man had the option of being respectful. Had he been he probably would have been treated differently.
I reject the notion that Ryan did anything wrong.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 07:04 AM
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Originally posted by Sparky63
I don't see it as an insult. Maybe my skin is a little thicker than others here. But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys.


Wait a minute.
Was it an insult or not?
You say you do not see it as an insult but then go right on to say it was not choir boy behavior.


The old man had the option of being respectful. Had he been he probably would have been treated differently.

Why should he be respectful?
Someone just told me

But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys.

So it seems like you are a little confused as to what you actually think here.


I reject the notion that Ryan did anything wrong.


Good for you. That is why seniors that do not want to vote for Obama, are not willing to because Romney/Ryan scares them to death. Tell me this video is going to help with those people? Your mind is already made up, your mind is not going to change. Romney needs to worry about the people who might not vote for him, not people like you that cannot vote for him fast enough.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 07:11 AM
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Originally posted by nunyadammm

Originally posted by Sparky63
I don't see it as an insult. Maybe my skin is a little thicker than others here. But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys.


Wait a minute.
Was it an insult or not?
You say you do not see it as an insult but then go right on to say it was not choir boy behavior.


The old man had the option of being respectful. Had he been he probably would have been treated differently.

Why should he be respectful?
Someone just told me

But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys.

So it seems like you are a little confused as to what you actually think here.


I reject the notion that Ryan did anything wrong.


Good for you. That is why seniors that do not want to vote for Obama, are not willing to because Romney/Ryan scares them to death. Tell me this video is going to help with those people? Your mind is already made up, your mind is not going to change. Romney needs to worry about the people who might not vote for him, not people like you that cannot vote for him fast enough.


Ryan did not insult the man. I don't know how much plainer I can be. For those that think Ryan insulted him then I contend that they are incredibly thin skinned and are bound to be disappointed if they expect politicians to act like choir boys.
My mind is made up and I'm not voting for Romney. Guess you are wrong again.

I personally wouldn't have cared if Ryan had called the guy a A hole or if Obama had called Joe Wilson an A hole.
I don't expect much from politicians anyway so I would not be disappointed. either way. Once people stop trying to put their candidate on a pedestal while they try to demonize their opponent they will avoid this kind of petty nonsense.

Maybe everyone forgot Biden calling the custard guy a Smart Ass when the man suggested lowering his taxes.


Those of you feigning shock at Ryan's response are straining credulity. In my humble opinion.

But then again, were not talking about Obama's record are we?
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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 08:03 AM
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Originally posted by pointr97
Debate - The ability to express views and opinions without becoming emotional combative with the opponent.

I'm actually sorry I started the thread, I thank all trolls for helping us decide to keep our opinions to ourselves. Good Job.



It was a good thread and had some great debaters on here in the beginning. Give yourself a star for that. (I gave you one!)



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 08:13 AM
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Originally posted by Sparky63
Ryan did not insult the man. I don't know how much plainer I can be. For those that think Ryan insulted him then I contend that they are incredibly thin skinned and are bound to be disappointed if they expect politicians to act like choir boys.
My mind is made up and I'm not voting for Romney. Guess you are wrong again.


You do not understand at all. It matters very little if you or I think the man was insulted. If that man felt insulted, he was insulted. But hey, if you like the idea of handing Obama the next election then fine.

Besides, you are still confused. You keep saying it is not an insult but then explain away how you expect them to not be choir boys. So was it an insult or was he being a choir boy?

When you figure it out, let me know.
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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 08:31 AM
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Originally posted by nunyadammm

Originally posted by Sparky63
Ryan did not insult the man. I don't know how much plainer I can be. For those that think Ryan insulted him then I contend that they are incredibly thin skinned and are bound to be disappointed if they expect politicians to act like choir boys.
My mind is made up and I'm not voting for Romney. Guess you are wrong again.


You do not understand at all. It matters very little if you or I think the man was insulted. If that man felt insulted, he was insulted. But hey, if you like the idea of handing Obama the next election then fine.

Besides, you are still confused. You keep saying it is not an insult but then explain away how you expect them to not be choir boys. So was it an insult or was he being a choir boy?

When you figure it out, let me know.
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No my friend you are the one who is confused. I do not think Ryan insulted the old man. Ryan made a lame joke to ease the tension in the room. It was neither an insult nor was he being a choir boy. You see it doesn't come down to being one or the other in spite of your feeble efforts to make it so.
Ryan actually handled it better than I would if I were in his shoes. I would have loved to see how Chris Christie would have handled this angry old man. The Obama supporters heads would probably explode!

Just to be clear my reference to Choir boys was in regard to politicians in general. I think you will see that if you re-read my post.
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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 11:48 AM
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This video shows everything that has gone wrong in America.

A simple man can't go to en event with a politician and ask a simple question, without having the Gestapo step on his neck.

Wrestled to the ground.

Handcuffed.

Swept out of the room like he never existed.

Then the politician laughs at him, cracks a joke, "I hope you took your blood pressure medicine," silly old coot, thinking he could reason with the next anointed Dear Leader.

Yep, this is Amerikka, we became a fascist nation under the leadership of a corporatocracy, an oligarchy of the extremely wealthy. Now here we are begging for the crumbs. Ryan wants to raise the retirement age, reduce Medicare, reduce Social Security, raise taxes on the lower ranks so he can bestow bigger tax cuts to the wealthiest. There's over 100 special interest tax breaks in his plan that reward companies to outsource jobs to overseas. Not one tax break for a company to bring jobs home.

But don't anyone dare speak out about this, or raise your voice in the presence of the oligarchy and their puppets like Paul Ryan, or you'll be the one getting your neck stepped on the next time.




posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:02 PM
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Congressman Ryan is a public servant. He chose this avenue for his career, all 13 years of it, and if this is the best he can do to handle a citizen then he has no business being a public servant. Some of you have it backwards.

Private or public venues does not change the fact that Congressman Ryan is a public servant and a representative of the US at multiple levels of federal, state and local governments. He is required to show utmost respect to any citizen, especially who he represents directly, that wishes to ask him a question period. Full stop. End of transmission.

He is no King and should only gain respect if he is representing his constituency well.

This idea that a citizen has to worship any public official is just assnine.

The idea that we elect "leaders" to represent us in this Republic needs to stop. We elect "servants" plain and simple. If someone does not like being a public servant then they need to find another line of work.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:15 PM
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Originally posted by Terminal1
Congressman Ryan is a public servant. He chose this avenue for his career, all 13 years of it, and if this is the best he can do to handle a citizen then he has no business being a public servant. Some of you have it backwards.

Private or public venues does not change the fact that Congressman Ryan is a public servant and a representative of the US at multiple levels of federal, state and local governments. He is required to show utmost respect to any citizen, especially who he represents directly, that wishes to ask him a question period. Full stop. End of transmission.

He is no King and should only gain respect if he is representing his constituency well.

This idea that a citizen has to worship any public official is just assnine.

The idea that we elect "leaders" to represent us in this Republic needs to stop. We elect "servants" plain and simple. If someone does not like being a public servant then they need to find another line of work.



Can you name one public servant that fits your standards of ,"showing utmost respect to any citizen, especially who he represents directly, that wishes to ask him a question period."
I am truly interested in your response.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:18 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky63

Originally posted by Terminal1
Congressman Ryan is a public servant. He chose this avenue for his career, all 13 years of it, and if this is the best he can do to handle a citizen then he has no business being a public servant. Some of you have it backwards.

Private or public venues does not change the fact that Congressman Ryan is a public servant and a representative of the US at multiple levels of federal, state and local governments. He is required to show utmost respect to any citizen, especially who he represents directly, that wishes to ask him a question period. Full stop. End of transmission.

He is no King and should only gain respect if he is representing his constituency well.

This idea that a citizen has to worship any public official is just assnine.

The idea that we elect "leaders" to represent us in this Republic needs to stop. We elect "servants" plain and simple. If someone does not like being a public servant then they need to find another line of work.



Can you name one public servant that fits your standards of ,"showing utmost respect to any citizen, especially who he represents directly, that wishes to ask him a question period."
I am truly interested in your response.


My standards? Do you not think House of Representative members are servants?
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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:30 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky63
No my friend you are the one who is confused. I do not think Ryan insulted the old man.


You have said all this 4 times now.
You just keep repeating the same crap.
No one cares if you felt the old man was insulted.
The old man probably has no clue who you are.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by nunyadammm

Originally posted by Sparky63
No my friend you are the one who is confused. I do not think Ryan insulted the old man.


You have said all this 4 times now.
You just keep repeating the same crap.
No one cares if you felt the old man was insulted.
The old man probably has no clue who you are.


I repeated it because you kept asking me to explain myself. Now you criticize me for responding to your requests?
Here is where you questioned me:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
www.abovetopsecret.com...

If you did not want to hear my opinion you should not have asked.

Look, I understand that you do not agree with me or my views, but that is life my friend. I may not agree with yours but I respect your opinion. There is no need to get testy about something that neither you nor I am personally involved in.
Can we not agree to respect each others views and move on? I think that would be in the true spirit of ATS.

I apologize if you did not like my response to your questions. I only meant to honor your request & clarify my views so that there would be no misunderstanding.
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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:46 PM
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Originally posted by Terminal1

My standards? Do you not think House of Representative members are servants?
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I agree that they are servants of the people, even they they don't act like it.

I was referring to the standard you mentioned in your post where you said,

He is required to show utmost respect to any citizen, especially who he represents directly, that wishes to ask him a question period. Full stop. End of transmission.


This is the standard I was asking about. I personally have never met a politician who fits that bill. And I have met a lot of politicians.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 12:52 PM
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Again, nothing, absolutely nothing you posted has to do with what is on video. You want to know why he gets voted in office so often? Because corps love him. The military industry loves him, I wonder why? As far as being for the people, he is far from it.

False on both counts. Voters in his district continue to re-elect Paul Ryan time and time again. He is for the people because he doesn't believe in radical overspending on bogus entitlement programs at the taxpayer's expense - That's why the Democrats in his district continue to vote for him. He actually brings some sanity and level-headed thinking to the political process.



What's your agenda? You obviously are quite scared Mr Ryan is being put in a bad light, even though your so positive that members from both sides loveeeee him. Or are you afraid the bushes are burning faster than you can put them out? LOL.


It's a smear campaign against a decent man seeking office. This whole thread and the edited video is a publicity stunt to try and smear Paul Ryan. Not only is it morally wrong, but it's factually inaccurate. The video was edited and is now being taken out of context -- All for the single purpose of smearing Paul Ryan.



As you've said in your previous post, at least you only have one vote.

No. I said that we should be happy that you only have one vote. Again, you are doing a very poor job of twisting my words. I could expect nothing less given your dishonesty throughout the entire thread.



I'm actually sorry I started the thread, I thank all trolls for helping us decide to keep our opinions to ourselves. Good Job.

Here's a clue: Don't post an edited, one-sided video that doesn't accurately portray the situation in its actual context. By clipping the video, you failed to show the protesters outside, and the protesters that were disruptive prior to the 71 year old being arrested. It's quite clear that this video was only posted to smear Paul Ryan.



Mr Ryan wants to raise taxes for the middle class, while lowering taxes for corps/big business (his reasoning is, they create jobs.. And we've all seen where the jobs went). On top of that he wants to reduce govt spending in most areas, yet wants to increase spending in military). Mr ryan is pro war (he was a heavy backer for both of our most recent wars.


No, no, no, and more no. False on all counts. He wants to close corporate tax loopholes so he can lower tax rates for everyone, including the middle class. He is not pro-war - He is pro-defense, and yes, there is a difference.



I don't see it as an insult. Maybe my skin is a little thicker than others here. But politics is a dirty nasty business and people should not expect them to behave like choir boys. The old man had the option of being respectful. Had he been he probably would have been treated differently. I reject the notion that Ryan did anything wrong.

Finally, someone that speaks with reason. Bravo, my friend. Bravo.



A simple man can't go to en event with a politician and ask a simple question, without having the Gestapo step on his neck.


Private event. Didn't ask a simple question. He angrily yelled at Paul Ryan and was screaming, ranting, and raving in a very threatening manner. Good grief.



Ryan wants to raise the retirement age, reduce Medicare, reduce Social Security, raise taxes on the lower ranks so he can bestow bigger tax cuts to the wealthiest.


False. He wants to save Medicare. It will be bankrupt within the decade if structural changes aren't made. He wants to cut taxes for the middle class by closing tax loopholes for corporations. Quit spreading misinformation.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 01:07 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky63

Originally posted by acidsweep
Jokes like these just show the type of character (or lack of) the person has. This goes for everyone.

ps. Just because it wasn't a public event doesn't give him (or anyone) the right to demean another person.
edit on 14-8-2012 by acidsweep because: (no reason given)
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So that must mean that Biden is a horrible man considering the fact that he made a joke about 711 owners and demeaned a whole race of people. I don't remember seeing any outrage from the left over that. And that is just scratching the surface with Biden.

The truth is that when you speak in public as much as a politician does you are bound to make a gaff every now and then. I reject the notion that you can judge a man's character over such a minor incident. I would even cut Biden some slack over something like this.


First of all, what does Biden have to do with this? Secondly, Biden is just as as Mr Ryan. You guys need better arguments, seriously.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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First of all, what does Biden have to do with this? Secondly, Biden is just as as Mr Ryan. You guys need better arguments, seriously.

Biden, as President Obama's Vice President, is given a pass by the liberal media when he makes insulting comments in public forums. Compare that to how the media treated Sarah Palin, or how Paul Ryan is being smeared and viciously attacked on this thread. Double standard. It speaks to media bias.



posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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Originally posted by acidsweep

First of all, what does Biden have to do with this? Secondly, Biden is just as as Mr Ryan. You guys need better arguments, seriously.


First of all I reject the notion that Ryan did anything wrong.
But if people are going to feign outrage that a politician disrespected someone they better take a good hard look at their own candidates first and not be blinded by the rafter in their own eye. Clean up your own house before you attempt to clean up your neighbors..

B the way, I am not voting for Romney/Ryan but can clearly see the hypocrisy in this whole thread.


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posted on Aug, 15 2012 @ 01:29 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky63

Originally posted by acidsweep

First of all, what does Biden have to do with this? Secondly, Biden is just as as Mr Ryan. You guys need better arguments, seriously.


First of all I reject the notion that Ryan did anything wrong.
But if people are going to feign outrage that a politician disrespected someone they better take a good hard look at their own candidates first and not be blinded by the rafter in their own eye. Clean up your own house before you attempt to clean up your neighbors..

B the way, I am not voting for Romney/Ryan but can clearly see the hypocrisy in this whole thread.


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Again, you resort to off topic arguments, and you're not even able to make a point concerning this thread and the video. Clean up our house? YEP I AGREE. Because if you listened and researched on Ryan, you would know that he is FOR policing the whole world. You're either a hypocrite, uninformed, or talking out your arse, I'm thinking, all of the above. You should take your own advice before talking about someone else's opinion in and about this thread.
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