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Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Sparky63
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by Sparky63
And no, I don't think too many elderly conservatives have their panties in a bunch over this old news story.
I am a senior citizen.
And I do not agree with you.
That doesn't surprise me at all. I had a feeling you wouldn't. Outside of ATS I haven't had anyone even mention this incident to me.
How many senior citizens have you spoken with regarding Medicare and Social Security?
It isn't just one incident.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Where are you Ron Paulies on this?
Ron Pauls says the Ryan plan doesn't even cut anything.
Turk is in error about Geithner though, he says Geithner was left over from Repubs when in fact Geithner was with Bill Clinton admin, which is why all those rich Wall Street guys pumped up the DOW as soon as they heard Bamma picked him.edit on 14-8-2012 by ThirdEyeofHorus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
And what does this have to do with Paul Ryan and what happened to the old man?
Originally posted by sheepslayer247
reply to post by texasgirl
How does a youtube video of Ron Paul's opinions connect Paul Ryan, Tom Neilson and how he was treated at the Rotary meeting?
ETA: It's not an entitlement program. That man paid into all of his working life. It was not a freebie.edit on 14-8-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by yeahright
Originally posted by Indigo5
Correct!....It wasn't just the 71 year old man...and it was more than two!
The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.
Yes, it was a prearranged, orchestrated disruption of a meeting. Shockingly, the invited speaker and hosts were not amused. Although Ryan tried to play it off with some off the cuff observations that weren't appreciated by the "free speech" squad. The quotes there are to indicate the group that advocates free speech for themselves, but would gladly and forcefully through disruption, deny your right to HEAR something they don't agree with.
As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.
Instead of realizing that this instance could be used to better the way our elected representatives interact with people that disagree, we have to demonize and belittle those that are offended.
Not only that, since we can't defend Ryan's actions completely we must change the subject and talk about Obama while we call people socialist liberal lefties....deflecting from the original point of the thread.
Maybe if we were willing to accept that some people were concerned about what happened, we could talk about it and move on to a real discussion that meant something of value.
But no....let's continue to deflect and use terms like Marxism and such improperly and continue to make ourselves look like uneducated neanderthals. It's for the party...so why not?
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
More lies. As you can see from the other videos posted, this was an organized protest from a group of radical lefties that were hell bent on interrupting a private speaking event.
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
The fact stand Mr Ryan's actions in response to it were unprofessional, demeaning, definately insensitive, and shouldn't be tolerated. If he were a man of good character and morals, he would have easily turned it into good media for himself, but his poor judgment and character stopped him. Too bad for him, he wasn't able to hide/lie better.
Nonsense. Paul Ryan handled the situation wonderfully. He didn't respond, other than trying to bring some humor to the situation with his funny comment about hoping the bloke had taken his blood pressure medication.
His response was perfect - professional and lighthearted. He didn't engage with these Communists detractors.
Of course, the leftist liberals like yourself will crucify Ryan as you crucify any politician that has strong conservative and traditional values.
Fortunately, the American public can think for themselves and can see through you and your ilk's rather comical charade. Big changes are coming in November, and the Dem's are running scared.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by acidsweep
Personally I don't think that Prez Obama's demeaning behavior should be tolerated but he has to be voted out. Remember when POTUS gave the Supremes a going over in the middle of his State of the Union Address?
And then there's Bill Maher's demaning behavior
And then there's the Prez accusing Romney of a felony and he never apologized for that.
Amazing how much stuff the Left expects us all to tolerate on their behalf.
Wow, this couldn't be further from the truth.
Mr Ryan was unprofessional, demeaning and insensitive to the public voice.
Originally posted by Sparky63
My parents and my wife's parents are in the group so I talk to them about their concerns all the time. Senior citizens can be just as polarized as any other group. My wife's father is a retired union member from Illinois. It is no surprise that he is a die hard democrat that can see no wrong with the current administration. On the other hand, my Father would like nothing more than for Romney become the next President. One thing they both agree on is that Medicare and Social Security are in grave danger and if something drastic isn't done neither program will be around for future generations. Me, I have no confidence in either candidate or party.
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
Wow, this couldn't be further from the truth.
No. Paul Ryan didn't rant and rave. He never raised his voice. He didn't use any expletives. He continued his speech. The worse you can say about Paul Ryan in this video is that he made some light ribbing about the bloke needing to take his blood pressure medication - Hardly a fault. It was a light joke. Good grief.
Mr Ryan was unprofessional, demeaning and insensitive to the public voice.
See above. It was NOT a public event. It was a private Rotary Club meeting -- Interrupted, mind you, by an orchestrated group of agitator leftists as a publicity stunt. Good golly.
What he DID do, was, make a demeaning joke about a citizen while he was dragged away (I agree the 71yo needed to be removed, but the joke was not necessary).
Jokes like these just show the type of character (or lack of) the person is.
This goes for everyone.
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
What he DID do, was, make a demeaning joke about a citizen while he was dragged away (I agree the 71yo needed to be removed, but the joke was not necessary).
It was a lighthearted joke to lighten up the tension. You are taking the joke out of context. This 71 year old was the third or fourth person removed from the private Rotary Club meeting. Tensions were high because of all of these screaming agitators. See the other videos that were posted from earlier in the thread.
All Ryan did was try to lighten up the tension in the room with some light ribbing. This is perfectly acceptable. To take this as a literal insult would be to take the situation completely out of context.
Jokes like these just show the type of character (or lack of) the person is.
Ryan gets rave reviews from his colleagues regarding his character. It take a lot of courage to stand up in front of a hostile audience and take the kind of verbal abuse that he took at this speaking event. He handled it well.
Courage - yes, courage. Now that is an admirable trait that demonstrates sound character.
This goes for everyone.
Yeah, it goes for everyone except leftist politicians that agree with you, right?
I'll say it again. His behavior lacked any character, was not funny, and people with attitudes such as this should not hold any position in the US Govt.
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
I'll say it again. His behavior lacked any character, was not funny, and people with attitudes such as this should not hold any position in the US Govt.
I thought it was perfectly appropriate for the situation. We can agree to disagree.
If you choose to make snap judgments about someone that has been repeatedly elected in a Democratic district due to his sound character, intelligence, and ability to reach across the aisle, then that's your decision. Perhaps ill-informed, but that's your choice.
Here's a hint: Most smart voters look at a politician's entire record, education, history, and track record before they make an evaluation as to that politician's ability and character.
Rash judgments are never smart, and to judge Ryan's character from a 30 second YouTube video is, well, particularly troublesome for your case.
If you make decisions based on sound bites, then I guess the leftists that made this video were successful in their persuasion tactics, now weren't they?