71-year-old taken to the ground for questioning Paul Ryan

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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 08:33 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Sparky63

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by Sparky63

And no, I don't think too many elderly conservatives have their panties in a bunch over this old news story.


I am a senior citizen.

And I do not agree with you.


That doesn't surprise me at all. I had a feeling you wouldn't. Outside of ATS I haven't had anyone even mention this incident to me.


How many senior citizens have you spoken with regarding Medicare and Social Security?

It isn't just one incident.


My parents and my wife's parents are in the group so I talk to them about their concerns all the time. Senior citizens can be just as polarized as any other group. My wife's father is a retired union member from Illinois. It is no surprise that he is a die hard democrat that can see no wrong with the current administration. On the other hand, my Father would like nothing more than for Romney become the next President. One thing they both agree on is that Medicare and Social Security are in grave danger and if something drastic isn't done neither program will be around for future generations. Me, I have no confidence in either candidate or party.




posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 08:37 PM
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Where are you Ron Paulies on this?



Ron Pauls says the Ryan plan doesn't even cut anything.

Turk is in error about Geithner though, he says Geithner was left over from Repubs when in fact Geithner was with Bill Clinton admin, which is why all those rich Wall Street guys pumped up the DOW as soon as they heard Bamma picked him.
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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 08:43 PM
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And what does this have to do with Paul Ryan and what happened to the old man?

I wanted to add that I believe Geitner worked for the Treasury Dept. and the very end of Reagan's term in 1988.
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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 08:45 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
Where are you Ron Paulies on this?



Ron Pauls says the Ryan plan doesn't even cut anything.

Turk is in error about Geithner though, he says Geithner was left over from Repubs when in fact Geithner was with Bill Clinton admin, which is why all those rich Wall Street guys pumped up the DOW as soon as they heard Bamma picked him.
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I am confused by his budget plan. Ryan has changed it several times and last year changed it to look more like Romney's. Then I heard he changed it again for 2013 and it really won't extend the solvency of Medicare like he claims. It's just confusing.

Ron Paul is my man and I just wish we could get him into the White House.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 08:47 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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And what does this have to do with Paul Ryan and what happened to the old man?



It connects to the fact that Tom Nielson, the old guy, was upset over the entitlement program.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 08:50 PM
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How does a youtube video of Ron Paul's opinions connect Paul Ryan, Tom Neilson and how he was treated at the Rotary meeting?

ETA: It's not an entitlement program. That man paid into all of his working life. It was not a freebie.
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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 09:31 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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How does a youtube video of Ron Paul's opinions connect Paul Ryan, Tom Neilson and how he was treated at the Rotary meeting?

ETA: It's not an entitlement program. That man paid into all of his working life. It was not a freebie.
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I guess it would only be an entitlement if he received more than he paid in. Unfortunately I think this is the case with many who receive SS. This is why so many refer to it as a ponzi scheme. It is ultimately unsustainable.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 09:41 PM
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At this point the only attention the Obama campaign can get is negative, anyone who's studied politics academically knows that going negative never truly helps a campaign only hopefully it will pull the other candidate down to the level of the one who started the whole mess. In addition, since everyone voting knows Obama and his face, not his true political record, the Romney campaign is having to build on new information that cost people more to amass...it relates to economics and utility. If someone has to work harder to gain information about a candidate vs the amount of good they'll seemingly get out of the vote then that voter will most likely stay out of the polling centers. Of course this excludes the 15% strong partisan voters that will always vote the party line. The Obama campaign has lost the independent voters and the weak/leaning voters to a large degree. Obama will not see the last group that suited up and voted for him, that is, the people who never vote that actually got all their # to vote and did in 2008.

Taking all this and what I've seen currently in cognitive dissidence on the left's voter strata I'm going to state that Obama loses by 10 points, maybe more. The right is highly energized and they want all Congress coupled with the fact 2 SCOTUS seats will most likely be vacated in the next 4 years, the right has the pivotal advantage now. We're going to see a true financial recovery and it might take 6 years, but I have a feeling that the game of getting government contracts and government money for green job advancement is over. We'll see the US re-enter the global market and the leftest get put in the back screaming and crying about their severe mistreatment.
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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:21 PM
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Originally posted by yeahright

Originally posted by Indigo5
Correct!....It wasn't just the 71 year old man...and it was more than two!


The following is my opinion as a member participating in this discussion.

Yes, it was a prearranged, orchestrated disruption of a meeting. Shockingly, the invited speaker and hosts were not amused. Although Ryan tried to play it off with some off the cuff observations that weren't appreciated by the "free speech" squad. The quotes there are to indicate the group that advocates free speech for themselves, but would gladly and forcefully through disruption, deny your right to HEAR something they don't agree with.


As an ATS Staff Member, I will not moderate in threads such as this where I have participated as a member.


Who is the "free speech squad?"
I only saw one guy in the video and from what I understand, right wingers gladdly claimed the mantle of free speech squad did they not? Who are these people you are referring to?

Also, do you believe all the angry old people yelling at town hall meetings in 09/10 were all plants too?



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Instead of realizing that this instance could be used to better the way our elected representatives interact with people that disagree, we have to demonize and belittle those that are offended.

No, we won't take this abuse from the left any further. If the leftist radicals that disrupted this meeting truly were sincere, they would have calmly and politely raised their hand and asked Paul Ryan a question with screaming and ranting and raving.

This was a publicity stunt, and nothing more. It's a classic Communist tactic. And, if you are so naive as to not believe that there are radical Communists in this country that want nothing more than to destroy America, you are sadly mistaken.



Not only that, since we can't defend Ryan's actions completely we must change the subject and talk about Obama while we call people socialist liberal lefties....deflecting from the original point of the thread.


Ryan did nothing wrong. He ignored the protesters, and continued his speech. This was a private speaking event at a local Rotary club.

In this video, the worst you can say about Ryan was that he jabbed with a light ribbing about the bloke needing to take his blood pressure medicine. Ryan was truly innocent in this private speaking event.

For Ryan's safety alone, these agitators should rightly have been removed from the premises.



Maybe if we were willing to accept that some people were concerned about what happened, we could talk about it and move on to a real discussion that meant something of value.


Well, I am concerned. I am concerned that the far left will do anything and everything to destroy this man, just like they smeared Sarah Palin. Nothing is sacred with these attacks, and they will stoop to the lowest levels to stay in power.

The gloves are off. Either we take back this country in this next election, or the radical left will send this country's fiscal situation over a cliff.



But no....let's continue to deflect and use terms like Marxism and such improperly and continue to make ourselves look like uneducated neanderthals. It's for the party...so why not?

The left in this country actively promotes Marxist policies. To think otherwise is either naive, or just plain ill informed.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:30 PM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster09
More lies. As you can see from the other videos posted, this was an organized protest from a group of radical lefties that were hell bent on interrupting a private speaking event.


Two years ago my deep Red county voted Democrat. Most of our voters are older and Republican. There are way more Republicans here than Democrats and we have a sizable retired population. Do you know why they all went so blue? Because the Republican politicians embraced Paul Ryan's budget.


The thought of losing healthcare so that private insurance companies can profit more pisses old people off.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster09



The fact stand Mr Ryan's actions in response to it were unprofessional, demeaning, definately insensitive, and shouldn't be tolerated. If he were a man of good character and morals, he would have easily turned it into good media for himself, but his poor judgment and character stopped him. Too bad for him, he wasn't able to hide/lie better.

Nonsense. Paul Ryan handled the situation wonderfully. He didn't respond, other than trying to bring some humor to the situation with his funny comment about hoping the bloke had taken his blood pressure medication.

His response was perfect - professional and lighthearted. He didn't engage with these Communists detractors.

Of course, the leftist liberals like yourself will crucify Ryan as you crucify any politician that has strong conservative and traditional values.

Fortunately, the American public can think for themselves and can see through you and your ilk's rather comical charade. Big changes are coming in November, and the Dem's are running scared.


Wow, this couldn't be further from the truth. Like I've stated in earlier posts, it wouldnt matter to me if he were a Demo, Repub, or Lib.. I could care less. I'm looking at the man for what he is, his portrayal on stage is a very good indicator to the type of person he is. You think I'm wrong? Look at all the other posts in this thread, you can do a simple gauge of what the public feels/thinks about it.

To me, Democrat or Republican, it doesn't matter. They are 2 sides, with 1 plot. This election year has a horrible choice of runners, period.

Also stated in my previous posts, both D and R are probably guilty of the same thing. None of them are clean.

Now, pertaining this thread, and the video, my opinion stands. Mr Ryan was unprofessional, demeaning and insensitive to the public voice.
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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
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Personally I don't think that Prez Obama's demeaning behavior should be tolerated but he has to be voted out. Remember when POTUS gave the Supremes a going over in the middle of his State of the Union Address?



And then there's Bill Maher's demaning behavior



And then there's the Prez accusing Romney of a felony and he never apologized for that.

Amazing how much stuff the Left expects us all to tolerate on their behalf.


I totally agree with you. Obama is a big sack of ...! 100% agree with you!

These types of actions/responses from people in our Gov't shouldn't be tolerated one bit, all they seem to give is lip service.
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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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Wow, this couldn't be further from the truth.

No. Paul Ryan didn't rant and rave. He never raised his voice. He didn't use any expletives. He continued his speech. The worse you can say about Paul Ryan in this video is that he made some light ribbing about the bloke needing to take his blood pressure medication - Hardly a fault. It was a light joke. Good grief.



Mr Ryan was unprofessional, demeaning and insensitive to the public voice.

See above. It was NOT a public event. It was a private Rotary Club meeting -- Interrupted, mind you, by an orchestrated group of agitator leftists as a publicity stunt. Good golly.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:38 PM
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Originally posted by Sparky63

My parents and my wife's parents are in the group so I talk to them about their concerns all the time. Senior citizens can be just as polarized as any other group. My wife's father is a retired union member from Illinois. It is no surprise that he is a die hard democrat that can see no wrong with the current administration. On the other hand, my Father would like nothing more than for Romney become the next President. One thing they both agree on is that Medicare and Social Security are in grave danger and if something drastic isn't done neither program will be around for future generations. Me, I have no confidence in either candidate or party.



Thank you. I do appreciate when a poster gives me an honest heartfelt polite response.

I would be curious why your father wants Romney - - but that's completely off subject.

I heard today (have not verified) that once someone makes over $ 100,000 a year - - - they no longer pay into Social Security. And that Bill Clinton changed that when he was president for Medicare and it made a significant difference.

Anyway - those that grew up in that past generation - - had a different work experience then today. As an employee you were the company and the company took care of its employees. Today its cutthroat - every man for himself. Its like we have de-evolved to "survival of the fittest" (no insult to lower form animals).

I just can not fault this 71 year old man - - or any other senior group that is making their voice heard against the dangers of their future. It's not like all of them have family that will take care of them.



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:42 PM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster09



Wow, this couldn't be further from the truth.

No. Paul Ryan didn't rant and rave. He never raised his voice. He didn't use any expletives. He continued his speech. The worse you can say about Paul Ryan in this video is that he made some light ribbing about the bloke needing to take his blood pressure medication - Hardly a fault. It was a light joke. Good grief.



Mr Ryan was unprofessional, demeaning and insensitive to the public voice.

See above. It was NOT a public event. It was a private Rotary Club meeting -- Interrupted, mind you, by an orchestrated group of agitator leftists as a publicity stunt. Good golly.



Nope, I never said he ranted or raved about anything. What he DID do, was, make a demeaning joke about a citizen while he was dragged away (I agree the 71yo needed to be removed, but the joke was not necessary).

Jokes like these just show the type of character (or lack of) the person has. This goes for everyone.

ps. Just because it wasn't a public event doesn't give him (or anyone) the right to demean another person.
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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:48 PM
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What he DID do, was, make a demeaning joke about a citizen while he was dragged away (I agree the 71yo needed to be removed, but the joke was not necessary).

It was a lighthearted joke to lighten up the tension. You are taking the joke out of context. This 71 year old was the third or fourth person removed from the private Rotary Club meeting. Tensions were high because of all of these screaming agitators. See the other videos that were posted from earlier in the thread.

All Ryan did was try to lighten up the tension in the room with some light ribbing. This is perfectly acceptable. To take this as a literal insult would be to take the situation completely out of context.



Jokes like these just show the type of character (or lack of) the person is.


Ryan gets rave reviews from his colleagues regarding his character. It take a lot of courage to stand up in front of a hostile audience and take the kind of verbal abuse that he took at this speaking event. He handled it well.

Courage - yes, courage. Now that is an admirable trait that demonstrates sound character.



This goes for everyone.


Yeah, it goes for everyone except leftist politicians that agree with you, right?



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:53 PM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster09



What he DID do, was, make a demeaning joke about a citizen while he was dragged away (I agree the 71yo needed to be removed, but the joke was not necessary).

It was a lighthearted joke to lighten up the tension. You are taking the joke out of context. This 71 year old was the third or fourth person removed from the private Rotary Club meeting. Tensions were high because of all of these screaming agitators. See the other videos that were posted from earlier in the thread.

All Ryan did was try to lighten up the tension in the room with some light ribbing. This is perfectly acceptable. To take this as a literal insult would be to take the situation completely out of context.



Jokes like these just show the type of character (or lack of) the person is.


Ryan gets rave reviews from his colleagues regarding his character. It take a lot of courage to stand up in front of a hostile audience and take the kind of verbal abuse that he took at this speaking event. He handled it well.

Courage - yes, courage. Now that is an admirable trait that demonstrates sound character.



This goes for everyone.


Yeah, it goes for everyone except leftist politicians that agree with you, right?


I'll say it again. His behavior lacked any character, was not funny, and people with attitudes such as this should not hold any position in the US Govt.

It's funny how you try to turn me into a leftist, or rightist, when I clearly am none of the above. I call it how I see it, if a person shows me he's a jerk, I'm gonna call him on it. Has nothing to do with what you're trying to pin me on. LOL.

Seriously, at least read and comprehend what you see on screen. Don't deflect and point, it doesn't work with me.
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ps. Let me remind you (and anyone reading this), this is my opinion. You can agree or disagree (as you're able to too), I'm just pointing out and voicing my opinion on the matter. Just remember, don't be so blinded by self righteousness to not see what was done and recorded on video. No need for attacks such as calling someone a leftist, rightist, liberal, demo or repub, it's childish. All that accomplishes is further division and separation of the people of the United States.
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posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 10:59 PM
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I'll say it again. His behavior lacked any character, was not funny, and people with attitudes such as this should not hold any position in the US Govt.


I thought it was perfectly appropriate for the situation. We can agree to disagree.

If you choose to make snap judgments about someone that has been repeatedly elected in a Democratic district due to his sound character, intelligence, and ability to reach across the aisle, then that's your decision. Perhaps ill-informed, but that's your choice.

Here's a hint: Most smart voters look at a politician's entire record, education, history, and track record before they make an evaluation as to that politician's ability and character.

Rash judgments are never smart, and to judge Ryan's character from a 30 second YouTube video is, well, particularly troublesome for your case.

If you make decisions based on sound bites, then I guess the leftists that made this video were successful in their persuasion tactics, now weren't they?



posted on Aug, 14 2012 @ 11:03 PM
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Originally posted by CookieMonster09



I'll say it again. His behavior lacked any character, was not funny, and people with attitudes such as this should not hold any position in the US Govt.


I thought it was perfectly appropriate for the situation. We can agree to disagree.

If you choose to make snap judgments about someone that has been repeatedly elected in a Democratic district due to his sound character, intelligence, and ability to reach across the aisle, then that's your decision. Perhaps ill-informed, but that's your choice.

Here's a hint: Most smart voters look at a politician's entire record, education, history, and track record before they make an evaluation as to that politician's ability and character.

Rash judgments are never smart, and to judge Ryan's character from a 30 second YouTube video is, well, particularly troublesome for your case.

If you make decisions based on sound bites, then I guess the leftists that made this video were successful in their persuasion tactics, now weren't they?


At least we can agree to disagree. LOL. (I was adding to my post while you were writing yours).

adding:

Pertaining this video (and many others [you can search for them if you wish]), Mr Ryan in my opinion has very poor character. My opinion stands.
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Just read the rest of your post.. and going to respond to this "Here's a hint: Most smart voters look at a politician's entire record, education, history, and track record before they make an evaluation as to that politician's ability and character. "

Yes, I have researched Mr Ryan, I don't agree with his politics/train of thought at all. It's disgusting. Unless you like the Patriot Act, You like TARP, You like Wars.. he voted FOR all these. There you go.
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You can make your arguments and point your fingers at people who don't know what they're talking about and expect them to stay quiet. But you would be a fool to think everyone was like that. I am not one of those people that pulls crap out of his arse.
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