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Originally posted by morethanyou
Originally posted by Agoyahtah
Originally posted by texasgirl
I watched the video and it looks like they took him away before giving Ryan a chance to respond. The blood pressure remark was in bad taste, though. AND he could've stopped security to listen to what the man had to say. Oh, dang, Ryan...
Yeah, Ryan showed total unconcern for a concerned citizen. Very bad karma, man, just showed disconnect and disrespect.
No. A mealy mouthed big mouth got put in his place. When that happens, we make jokes.Thats how it is.
Oh BTW, just saying.
Originally posted by pointr97
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
The 71 year old's tone was threatening, loud, and aggressive. The video doesn't show us what this belligerent man had to say when he was removed from the auditorium. Perhaps he made a further threat - which would have lead to the handcuffs. We do not know from the video.
actually the video is quite clear, when he was grasped by the forearms, he looked a bit shocked, beaten, and bemused...This was not a man bent on making an incident, this was a man who heard what we all heard, that the 'problem is entitlements'. He popped off no different than the rest of us with a backbone would have done, 'hold on, .....(insert argument).'
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
(Not only that, but if this guy's complaining about Medicare benefits being cut, he is way out of line because the Ryan Plan would keep his Medicare intact, as it would for anyone 55 or older.)
The old man (dang i wish we had his name, demeaning just referring him to as 'old man') said, 'i paid into it' that is social security, you pay for medicare, you pay into social security.
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
You simply cannot walk into an auditorium and start screaming in a threatening manner at a political candidate running for one of the highest offices of the land.
Hmm, you just said, 'we didn't see what he did outside, he could have such and such'....well, you don't have video of him before, he could have been sitting there quietly listening attentively, nor do you know he just walked he, could have paid his hard earned money for a plate.....Can't have that both ways.
Originally posted by CookieMonster09
Guy came across as a loose cannon full of anger and hatred. Police were proper in arresting him. End of story.
That is what you define as a 'loose cannon'.....wow, i am impressed, he was no way a loose cannon, he was loud, but not aggressive, he wasn't flaying around in a threatening manner, he was stressing his point in an emotional way. As most would when they are retired, they have nothing left because their 401K got stripped by the wall street guys, the bankers, the government allowing them all to do it. You reach 70 years old with one last life line left, and tell me how you would react.....Thank you for your inputedit on 13-8-2012 by pointr97 because: (no reason given)
REP. PAUL RYAN: This is as gradual as it gets. We don't affect the benefits for people above 55 years old in Medicare. [Your World with Neil Cavuto, 6/2/11]
"Path To Prosperity" Reopens Medicare "Doughnut Hole," Forcing Millions Of Seniors To Pay Higher Drug Costs "Immediately." From the National Journal: "[T]he GOP is doubling down on the idea that today's seniors won't be affected. That's partly true. Ryan's plan to convert Medicare into a limited insurance subsidy, the most controversial aspect of the budget, wouldn't take effect until 2022. But the proposal would also repeal last year's health care law, which means reopening a coverage gap in Medicare's prescription-drug benefit that the statute closed. The gap, commonly called the "doughnut hole," requires seniors to pay 100 percent of any prescription costs after the annual total reaches $2,840 and until it hits $4,550.
GOP Plan's Cuts To Medicaid Would Affect Seniors Immediately
9 Million Seniors Receive Medicaid As Well As Medicare. From the National Journal: "Some 9 million seniors qualify for both Medicare and Medicaid benefits, and about two-thirds of all nursing-home residents are covered by Medicaid." [National Journal, 6/3/11]
Originally posted by texasgirl
His name was Tom Nielsen
Who Was Paul Ryan’s 71 Year Old Victim?
August 13, 2012 By Sovereign Voice
Many people were out-raged about an article published a couple of days ago about Republican Congressman Paul Ryan cracking a joke as a 71-year-old man was shoved to the ground by police officers for simply speaking out at a rotary club luncheon where Ryan was speaking on his “Pay to Play” budget plan. More information has since come out on who the senior citizen is, why he spoke out and the response of Congressman Ryan.
Tom Nielsen, originally from Denmark, immigrated to America in pursuit of his piece of the American Dream and became a citizen more than 50 years ago. He speaks with a slight Danish accent but has worked in America all his adult life, paying his share into the system. He is a retired union plumber and lives in the small town of Kenosha, Wisconsin. Congressman Ryan is his representative and having heard rhetoric that demonized unions and speaks of his retirement benefits as “entitlements”, Neilsen decided to go listen to Ryan himself. The only public appearance Ryan had scheduled in August was a luncheon at a rotary club in Greenfield, so Tom bought a ticket for the luncheon and went to hear for himself what his representative has to say.
What he saw at the luncheon was very different from what he expected. Two people found themselves under arrest for speaking out at the luncheon and Tom watched in dismay as 20 others were forcefully escorted out.
www.addictinginfo.org...
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Annee
The event happened in the fall evidently.
The article you cite calls the man a victim of Ryan, yet fails to mention the man's complete lack of decorum and subsequent removal after yelling.
And Annie let us not forget that there is an expected decorum enforced here at ATS and people are removed or banned. So where's our free speech? Is it on this forum? Is it at a Town Hall event or campaign rally? Is it in front of the White House or Capitol? You tell me?
Originally posted by Indigo5
Correct!....It wasn't just the 71 year old man...and it was more than two!
Originally posted by macman
reply to post by Indigo5
It was a private function. Freedom of speech is limited within the confines of PRIVATE property.
Much like I can remove you from my house or business if I don't like you.
The people did not adhere to the rules of the PRIVATE function.
Now, how about that woman that rushed the stage screaming at Paul Ryan? Or the issue that she supposedly punched someone one the way up to the stage? Any issue with her actions?
Probably not.
Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus
reply to post by Annee
Well you may not have printed the entire article, but I still read it anyway.
Originally posted by jjkenobi
That tape was so obviously edited. Nice Try.
actually the video is quite clear, when he was grasped by the forearms, he looked a bit shocked, beaten, and bemused...This was not a man bent on making an incident, this was a man who heard what we all heard, that the 'problem is entitlements'. He popped off no different than the rest of us with a backbone would have done, 'hold on, .....(insert argument).'
The old man (dang i wish we had his name, demeaning just referring him to as 'old man') said, 'i paid into it' that is social security, you pay for medicare, you pay into social security.
Hmm, you just said, 'we didn't see what he did outside, he could have such and such'....well, you don't have video of him before, he could have been sitting there quietly listening attentively, nor do you know he just walked he, could have paid his hard earned money for a plate.....Can't have that both ways.
That is what you define as a 'loose cannon'.....wow, i am impressed, he was no way a loose cannon, he was loud, but not aggressive, he wasn't flaying around in a threatening manner, he was stressing his point in an emotional way.