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71-year-old taken to the ground for questioning Paul Ryan

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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 01:53 PM
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Really? Work on youre reading comprehension and i might explain myself to you. I never said it was his fault and you assume he out of nowhere got beligerent. You have no clue what lead up to this event. You dont know how much this man has to put up with. And if someone is running for public office, they better have some damn amswers. Not attempted jokes on a senior citizen who lost or is losing everything hes worked for.

Edit: Men like him are the backbone of society. How anyone can demonize him for speaking out, no matter where or to whom it is directed, is beyond me.
edit on 13-8-2012 by Ear-Responsible because: (no reason given)




posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:11 PM
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I am really not surprised by this kind of behavior in America anymore. Americans should be able to speak freely anytime, anyplace and in a manner of their choosing. I think there is nothing wrong with the way the gentlemen choose to confront Ryan on the issue. When it comes to social security, that is something the American people want for themselves when they get older. It is not something for political leaders to borrow from, load up with debt and then say `Sorry but we are going to cut it because we cannot pay the American people back.` The way in which Washington screwed up social security is highly shameful. Yet, what should we expect from a government that lives off debt?



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:13 PM
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I was going to take each sentence of your response and comment accordingly. I could point out the hypocrisy and such but after I read it again I realized that it doesn't matter what I say.

You are just going to reply with more irrelevant garbage like "socialist, liberal, the democrats are targeting him" blah blah. If he didn't want to be a target, why is he running?

So in the end your response was just rhetorical nonsense that doesn't fool anyone except the brainwashed masses that squirm at the word socialist. I really wish I could have a conversation that was filled with intelligent discourse and not the modern manifestation of the Nazi propaganda playbook.

I don't know why I do this anymore.

edit on 13-8-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:21 PM
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Originally posted by Ear-Responsible
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 

Really? Work on youre reading comprehension and i might explain myself to you. I never said it was his fault and you assume he out of nowhere got beligerent. You have no clue what lead up to this event. You dont know how much this man has to put up with. And if someone is running for public office, they better have some damn amswers. Not attempted jokes on a senior citizen who lost or is losing everything hes worked for.

Edit: Men like him are the backbone of society. How anyone can demonize him for speaking out, no matter where or to whom it is directed, is beyond me.
edit on 13-8-2012 by Ear-Responsible because: (no reason given)


Work on your spelling then and we will be on an even playing field. Yes, from the video the man was belligerent(note spelling) and I don't blame him for being mad, but that doesn't mean Ryan is responsible.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
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I was going to take each sentence of your response and comment accordingly. I could point out the hypocrisy and such but after I read it again I realized that it doesn't matter what I say.

You are just going to reply with more irrelevant garbage like "socialist, liberal, the democrats are targeting him" blah blah. If he didn't want to be a target, why is he running?

So in the end your response was just rhetorical nonsense that doesn't fool anyone except the brainwashed masses that squirm at the word socialist. I really wish I could have a conversation that was filled with intelligent discourse and not the modern manifestation of the Nazi propaganda playbook.

I don't know why I do this anymore.

edit on 13-8-2012 by sheepslayer247 because: (no reason given)


I want to know what makes you think that terms like "socialist" are irrelevant when we have one of the most socialistically inclined Prez in American history(aside from Wilson and FDR that is), and 70 members of Congress are concurrently members of DSA. Tell me why talking about socialism is irrelevant when one of the biggest contributors to the Prez is also an Intl Socialist of the highest magnitude, when said Prez has Trumka to the WH on a regular basis and Trumka brags publicly about how his organization contributed mightily to the uprising in Egypt and how he pals around with European socialists who bandy about the ideas of One World financial taxes. I don't get how you think this is irrelevant.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:35 PM
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I happen to agree with all that you said. Merely pointing out how the Dems are just as guilty, but at least the Reps let the guy in the room and didn't force him into a "free speech cage".



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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Yawn. Okay, I get it. Obama is your love child. Fair enough, Frank. I understand. I won't bore you with FACTS.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 02:41 PM
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I want to know what makes you think that terms like "socialist" are irrelevant when we have one of the most socialistically inclined Prez in American history(aside from Wilson and FDR that is), and 70 members of Congress are concurrently members of DSA. Tell me why talking about socialism is irrelevant when one of the biggest contributors to the Prez is also an Intl Socialist of the highest magnitude, when said Prez has Trumka to the WH on a regular basis and Trumka brags publicly about how his organization contributed mightily to the uprising in Egypt and how he pals around with European socialists who bandy about the ideas of One World financial taxes. I don't get how you think this is irrelevant.


It's irrelevant because I did not see any "liberal socialists" trying to stop a 71 year old man from speaking his mind.

I did not see any European socialist, one-world DSA members letting an old man get arrested while they made deliberately hateful comments about heart medication.

So once again, your comments are irrelevant. Our rights as Americans must be upheld at all costs and it's not the socialists that are coming for them.

It is the NeoCons backed by their jack-booted thugs that will whisk you away to god knows where if you question them or have a different opinion.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 03:07 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247

It's irrelevant because I did not see any "liberal socialists" trying to stop a 71 year old man from speaking his mind.




I guess you willfully neglected to either search the web for people being shouted down and removed from Democrat Town Hall meetings last year.

Cherry Picking. That is all.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 03:16 PM
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I guess you willfully neglected to either search the web for people being shouted down and removed from Democrat Town Hall meetings last year.

Cherry Picking. That is all.


I guess you willfully neglected to search my post history to see that I have maintained the same stance on freedom of speech regardless of party. I still don't see what socialism has to do with this.

Ignorance.
That is all.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 03:46 PM
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Then you should be attacking both sides, and not just one.

I also fail to see where people are allowed in Socialist Countries to walk into private functions and spout off as well.
That is where the Socialist ties come in play.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 03:58 PM
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Guys I total support free speech but come on the guy was in private area not a public rally, unless it was a town hall meeting even still it's a privat meeting.. I still say the paul's joke was bad taste and disrespect.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 04:08 PM
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Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Ear-Responsible
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 

Really? Work on youre reading comprehension and i might explain myself to you. I never said it was his fault and you assume he out of nowhere got beligerent. You have no clue what lead up to this event. You dont know how much this man has to put up with. And if someone is running for public office, they better have some damn amswers. Not attempted jokes on a senior citizen who lost or is losing everything hes worked for.

Edit: Men like him are the backbone of society. How anyone can demonize him for speaking out, no matter where or to whom it is directed, is beyond me.
edit on 13-8-2012 by Ear-Responsible because: (no reason given)


Work on your spelling then and we will be on an even playing field. Yes, from the video the man was belligerent(note spelling) and I don't blame him for being mad, but that doesn't mean Ryan is responsible.

Spelling? Wow now youre assuming english is my first language?.. your assumptions and ignorance know no bounds.
edit on 13-8-2012 by Ear-Responsible because: (no reason given)



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 04:29 PM
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Aha see it's all Republican neocons to you. Who says there's no partisanship on this site when people are running around here whining about how people are buying into the left/right party thing.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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Originally posted by freedomwv
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I am really not surprised by this kind of behavior in America anymore. Americans should be able to speak freely anytime, anyplace and in a manner of their choosing. I think there is nothing wrong with the way the gentlemen choose to confront Ryan on the issue.


This whole thing is being blown way out of proportion. The title of the thread is misleading. The guy was obviously out of line. He was not just questioning Ryan as the title implies. Ryan was in the middle of speaking and this guy just started yelling and ranting. You can't just start yelling in the middle of someone's speech and expect that to be okay. If there was a question answer session scheduled for this, then he should have waited until then.

Was it handled poorly, yes. It all happened very quickly though. Could Ryan have shown some real leadership by stopping them and and saying let him speak? Yes he could, but if he allowed every speech he is going to make, be interrupted, he would have no uninterrupted speeches.

The blood pressure medication joke was in bad taste, but seems more likely he used it as a means to relax the atmosphere after an event that surely raised the stress level in the room.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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Originally posted by pointr97
The Rep's have always relied on the older community voters. Why would they go pissing them off now? Is he trying to loose?


They have eliminated "early voting" periods across the country.

The elderly aren't ones to go stand in line for an hour on Super Tuesday and many of them aren't physically capable to wait in line on a hot Florida afternoon.

In Florida...over HALF the voting populace votes in early voting.



Reducing early and absentee days. At least nine states introduced bills to reduce their early voting periods, and four tried to reduce absentee voting opportunities.

Florida, Georgia, Ohio, Tennessee, and West Virginia succeeded in enacting bills reducing early voting.

www.brennancenter.org...

My point?...the GOP is feeling confident that they have disenfranchised enough older voters where they can go ahead with tearing into Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 05:31 PM
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I have to agree. If you start shouting and being disruptive at any public meeting or conference there's a good chance you'll be forcibly taken away.

I see him as an angry older man and feel for him but if I were a security person I would probably perceive him as a threat. Does he have a weapon? Is he there to hurt someone? There is no way of knowing this and he seemed to not comply when they were trying to get him to leave.

That comment by Ryan was gauche at best.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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WTF! That old guy seemed really pissed over something.

And I for one want to hear what he is so pissed over and what he was about, I really do think they should of let him say what he had to say. And then lets see how mister Paul Ryan reacts to things when things are not going according to script, because most if not all of the real problems that really need to be looked at, are not in the script.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 06:06 PM
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Originally posted by Ear-Responsible

Originally posted by ThirdEyeofHorus

Originally posted by Ear-Responsible
reply to post by ThirdEyeofHorus
 

Really? Work on youre reading comprehension and i might explain myself to you. I never said it was his fault and you assume he out of nowhere got beligerent. You have no clue what lead up to this event. You dont know how much this man has to put up with. And if someone is running for public office, they better have some damn amswers. Not attempted jokes on a senior citizen who lost or is losing everything hes worked for.

Edit: Men like him are the backbone of society. How anyone can demonize him for speaking out, no matter where or to whom it is directed, is beyond me.
edit on 13-8-2012 by Ear-Responsible because: (no reason given)


Work on your spelling then and we will be on an even playing field. Yes, from the video the man was belligerent(note spelling) and I don't blame him for being mad, but that doesn't mean Ryan is responsible.

Spelling? Wow now youre assuming english is my first language?.. your assumptions and ignorance know no bounds.
edit on 13-8-2012 by Ear-Responsible because: (no reason given)


So English is not your first language but you are insisting that I have comprehension issues? Let's not split hairs here. I have not demonized that man, but he is misguided and listening to the Democrat rhetoric being spewed all over the news since Ryan presented his plan. This is nothing new, but anyone can be misled by untruths and spin.
It is so obvious people on this forum are reacting not out of some kind of insider knowledge of Ryan being establishment elite but out of a misguided reasoning that somehow the liberal rhetoric that his plan is meant to rob senior citizens out of what is due them. SS is already bankrupt. What part of that don't you get? What plan do you have to save it?



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by galadofwarthethird
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WTF! That old guy seemed really pissed over something.

And I for one want to hear what he is so pissed over and what he was about, I really do think they should of let him say what he had to say. And then lets see how mister Paul Ryan reacts to things when things are not going according to script, because most if not all of the real problems that really need to be looked at, are not in the script.


He was pissed because Ryan was talking about Medicare and Medicaid and how they need to be changed because they are going to bankrupt the country. The guy starts screaming that he's been paying into it for over 50 years blah,blah,blah. Obviously positive that Ryan is talking about reducing his benefits.

If he ever actually listed to what Ryan says, or looked at what he actually proposes, anyone in that guys age group would be entirely unaffected. The guy's anger is completely unjustified, he is misguided.



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