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10 years back and forth for Iraq and Iran. IDF will smash them in 3-4 weeks.
Originally posted by Xcathdra
To date the US has used 2 nuclear devices in self defense. Other than that we have wasted more money than people who have died in either of the explosions.
Whether its 1 nuclear weapon or 1,000 nuclear weapons, 1 is 1 to many..
This sums the issue up very nicely...
Well the whole purpose of keeping said offical anonymous is for retaliatory purposes, like attempts at assasination and death threats. Would you want your family to have a package delivered to their doorstep that explodes when they open it? Well, neither would i.
We don't know what info they have, but U.S. military intelligence is second to none.
The same intelligence that found.. or didn't find WMD's?
There are many more, too many to list here.
Most people hated BillyC because he was dismantling the military.
Maybe he knew something we didn't.
Originally posted by GarrusVasNormandy
Iran steps up nuclear warhead work, Israel media reports (Reuters)
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Iran has stepped up work to develop a nuclear warhead, Israeli newspapers said on Sunday, citing officials in Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's government and leaked U.S. intelligence.
The irony of owning hundreds of the world's most dangerous, destructive weapons pointed all over the globe, while telling other countries they aren't allowed to produce nuclear power sounds is funny.
What is also funny is how total disarmament of these weapons from every country is still not an option.
Governments can't balance their checkbooks, yet have claimed the power to control all aspects of nuclear weapons.
Originally posted by nostromo85
Originally posted by infoseeker26754
Israel, Israel, Israel boy do they complain! Since no body has done anything they have to start another rumor. I have to agree about the NOT having a gun when it comes to Isreal! I just got a FEELING they would start WW3 just for the fun of it and have USA caught in the middle, opps! All of us!
Unless there is some great plan going on, no one backs Isreal they still would do something! For a small bit of land they do cause alot of trouble. I feel for Iran, whats wrong with leave us alone! What does Iran have that people want?
I'll let your mind play with that one. It's not like you want people in YOUR backyard looking in YOUR windows making up stuff that is not there. It happens all the time its just getting worst. And yet most people actually believe it. I think if you start minding your own P&Q the world could be a much better place for ALL of US!
Isreal complain, and rightly so. People have been trying to wipe out the Jews for thousands of years, and now the vast majority of them are penned in on all sides. I think they've got a right to moan if a close nation is developing a weapon to take them out after vowing that they would.
This whole Gun analogy of Iran wanting a "gun" in a "gunfight" is stupid, in that yes, they don't have one, but they've been giving money to their friends to go get armed up and fire on a semi constant basis (I.E. Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel on a constant basis)
And most sheeple on here like to buy into this whole "Hey Iran doesn't attack anyone" rubbish.edit on 12-8-2012 by nostromo85 because: (no reason given)
So humans are okay to make mistakes, because we all do, but organizations that are composed of humans can't?
It's a bit unfair to judge something just by their failures.
Let's not forget that was the great intelligence effort made by western countries that allowed something like the Cuban missiles crisis end without anything bad coming from it.
Most people love(d) Bill Clinton. The scandal tainted his image of integrity, but his work speaks louder than him. And history is already being fair to him, especially when compared to the president that followed him.
So, NO it is not alright to make an oops on that level, that is why we have spies and satellites, and diplomats.
But what if that is all there is, did Afghanistan or Iraq do 911??
The terrorists were mostly Saudis, we didn't blow up Saudi Arabia.
All we see nowadays is OOPS, no wmd's there OOPS bad intel, those were civillians at a wedding not a militia, OOPS that was a school and not a bomb factory.
None of these things would have happened if the US just stayed home for other countries quarrels.
No, it was diplomats and sheer fear of death that stopped this idiots idea.
Not some super secret force that cut the red wire with only 1 second left on the timer.
I dunno which version of history you are reading but I was alive during the Clinton administration
he was super cool before he was the president because he smoked and blew a mean sax on Arsenio.
But after he got in, the opinion changed alot.
Folks found out about his real estate dealings, weird suicides of his associates, his power hungry wife, (hmm I guess we were definately right about that one), Etc.
The terrorist regime of israel has been screaming about Iranian nukes for YEARS now.
We have no information or reasonable suspicion that they are building a bomb.
Heck, we even apparently have a mole in their program!!
And still no wmd's.
I think some coward terrorists just want the US to beat up the big kid on the block so they can be the new tough guy.
I don't want any part of their campaign for blood, they can do it without my kids, my cash, my bombs!
1981: Israel bombs Baghdad nuclear reactor
The Israelis have bombed a French-built nuclear plant near Iraq's capital, Baghdad, saying they believed it was designed to make nuclear weapons to destroy Israel.
It is the world's first air strike against a nuclear plant.
An undisclosed number of F-15 interceptors and F-16 fighter bombers destroyed the Osirak reactor 18 miles south of Baghdad, on the orders of Prime Minister Menachem Begin.
The army command said all the Israeli planes returned safely.
The 70-megawatt uranium-powered reactor was near completion but had not been stocked with nuclear fuel so there was no danger of a leak, according to sources in the French atomic industry.
The statement said: "We again call upon them to desist from this horrifying, inhuman deed. Under no circumstances will we allow an enemy to develop weapons of mass destruction against our people."
The attack took place on a Sunday, they said, to prevent harming the French workers at the site who would have taken the day off.
There have been no reported casualties
Ten Iraqi soldiers and one French civilian were killed in the attack. The civilian killed was engineer Damien Chaussepied, variously described as 24 or 25 years old, who was an employee of Air Liquide and the French governmental agency CEA. In 1981, Israel agreed to pay restitution to Chaussepied's family.
News of the audacious raid did not actually emerge until 24 hours later when Israel made its announcement. Only then did Iraq admit it had happened and express indignation.
One of the pilots involved was Ilan Ramon who trained as Israel's first astronaut but was killed in the Columbia shuttle disaster in 2003.
Two weeks after the Osirak attack Israel admitted it had the capability of developing its own nuclear weapons.
And in 1986, Mordechai Vanunu, a former nuclear technician was found guilty of espionage after he told a British newspaper, the Sunday Times, that Israel was secretly building atomic bombs.
French Prime Minister Jacques Chirac cultivated France's special relationship with Iraq during the 1970s to maintain an influence in a region dominated by Anglo-Saxons and boost trade links with the oil-rich nation.
He led the universal condemnation of Israel's attack on Osirak.
Then, 22 years later - as French president - Mr Chirac was vehemently against the USA and Britain going to war with Iraq over the issue of weapons of mass destruction.
The psychology of the Holocaust played an important role in Menachem Begin’s decision making. According to Rafael Eitan, chief of staff at the time of the attack, Begin insisted that he “will not be the man in whose time there will be a second Holocaust.”
Israel maintains a policy known as "nuclear ambiguity" (also known as "nuclear opacity"). Israel has never officially admitted to having nuclear weapons, instead repeating over the years that it would not be the first country to "introduce" nuclear weapons to the Middle East, leaving ambiguity as to whether it means it will not create, will not disclose, will not make first use of the weapons or possibly some other interpretation of the phrase.