reply to post by g146541
So, NO it is not alright to make an oops on that level, that is why we have spies and satellites, and diplomats.
It's not alright, but it's impossible to avoid mistakes. The most clear example of human capability is aviation, and even with all the protocols and
safety measures, you can't help but to see planes crash. Mistakes and errors happen, it's a fact of life, and it doesn't matter in which level it
is, being individual or collective.
And what you say actually plays against your argument. Having more people around a problem doesn't help to avoid mistakes, it actually makes a
perfect environment for mistakes to happen, that's why it's important to delegate functions and missions.
Assuming there is a way to always have clear and correct intel, is just unrealistic in our world.
But what if that is all there is, did Afghanistan or Iraq do 911??
No. That's why those are regarded as mistakes today.
The terrorists were mostly Saudis, we didn't blow up Saudi Arabia.
Basically what you are saying is that, if
a group of people inside the U.S. rallies up and organizes an inhumane attack against another
country, that same country would have the moral bases to attack the U.S. ...
Saudi Arabia wasn't, and isn't a hostile country. Just because the group of people that acted in 9/11 was from SA, doesn't mean the whole country
Aren't americans the first ones to complain how they are received in other countries, because of their governments actions? Why do you paint other
people by the same brush you complain about?
I'm not defending Saudi Arabia, I think they are fake, two-faced and will be friendly as long the U.S. has the money to give them. But that logic is
Politics, especially foreign, aren't linear nor simple to understand. That's why you have diplomats.
All we see nowadays is OOPS, no wmd's there OOPS bad intel, those were civillians at a wedding not a militia, OOPS that was a school and not a
Have you stopped to wonder if it's not actually the "other side" that is getting better in hiding? Their tactics are always involving, and most of
the times, those school's and houses, are actually being used as shields to prevent western forces from taking action.
If the western coalitions actually stop making that sort of call, then people who are out there to hurt you and me, will have places where they can do
whatever they want. If with this mad chase they are still able to punch some holes in us, can you imagine if they had all the maneuver space they
And why do we assume that all those people are innocent? I mean, if someone in your neighborhood tells you that they weren't to blame for the kg's
of coc aine in their house, would you believe them? No. Why? Because you have seen enough cases of people having kids and family inside their
houses and having methlabs in the kitchen.
There are mistakes, and there is propaganda. Don't think for a moment that terrorist organizations aren't doing the same type of play.
None of these things would have happened if the US just stayed home for other countries quarrels.
Actually, most of those countries with quarrels ask for U.S. intervention and help. To the point of representatives being received in the White House
to tell the President about those issues. Then the President tries to help, and everyone thinks he is an hero, until a bomb falls on the wrong place,
or the bombing is portrayed as being in a civilian building, and everyone starts calling him a murderer.
But I agree with parts of that point.
No, it was diplomats and sheer fear of death that stopped this idiots idea.
Not some super secret force that cut the red wire with only 1 second left on the timer.
Yes?... So basically the Kennedy administration found out about the ship carrying nuclear missiles because they had a great sense of smell?
The reason why diplomats were able to do their jobs, was due to the fact that they were receiving intel saying "THAT ship (a cargo ship, by the way)
has NUCLEAR MISSILES in it".
I dunno which version of history you are reading but I was alive during the Clinton administration
You are alive now, and you don't understand much about current affairs. Why would you understand back then?
he was super cool before he was the president because he smoked and blew a mean sax on Arsenio.
But after he got in, the opinion changed alot.
Folks found out about his real estate dealings, weird suicides of his associates, his power hungry wife, (hmm I guess we were definately right about
that one), Etc.
No, that's your mundane/media manipulated image of him. Clinton actually put in place some tax changes that are still in effect today (example).