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Temple Mount powder keg? - Bill drafted for Jewish prayer times

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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:04 AM
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The US State Department's International Religious Freedom Report was released to Congress and the public two weeks ago. The report points out that all non-Muslims are denied opportunities to worship at the Temple Mount, because of security concerns. On the heels of a US State Department report criticizing Israel for not allowing non-Muslim prayer on the Temple Mount, MK Arye Eldad (National Union) has drafted a bill mandating separate hours for Jews and Muslims to pray at the holy site. "The Temple Mount is the holiest place for the Jewish People, where the First and Second Temple stood," Eldad explained. "It is also a holy place for Muslims, and is the site of the Al-Aqsa Mosque. It also has a special status in Christianity." As such, the National Union MK seeks to anchor in legislation freedom of worship at the Temple Mount for all three religions.

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I have a few queries for the M.E experts here on ATS:-

In the past, certain elements within the P.A have claimed that there has never been a Jewish presence on the Temple Mount.

Q: Would this Bill force the P.A and wider Muslim community to accept the Jewish community and them frequenting the Temple Mount for prayers?

Q: Does anyone on ATS know what process and "consultation" is undertaken between all effected parties regarding this Bill and its vote into acceptance?

An interesting observation I noted was a rather prophetic statement by a senior research fellow at the Hudson Institute last year saying that restoring Jewish ties to the Temple Mount would bring about peace in the M.E

Dr. Max Singer, the founder and senior fellow at the Hudson Institute, believes that if Jewish ties are restored to the Temple Mount and Jerusalem, there will be peace in the Middle East. Bible prophecy reveals that Dr. Singer is correct in the final outcome in the end of time scenario written by ancient Jewish prophets 2500 years ago. The prophet Samuel wrote in II Samuel 7 that one of King David's descendants would rule the world from a Jewish Temple on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, that descendant will be Jesus Christ, the Jewish Messiah. Isaiah wrote that when the Temple, the house of the Lord, will be established in Jerusalem, nations would turn their military weapons into farming equipment and they would learn of war no more, thus peace in the world, Isaiah 2:1-4. As the quest for peace in the Middle East continues, all must agree with the Bible, Jewish ties to the Temple Mount will indeed bring about peace.

Prophecy Today...

There have been numerous news reports in the past about Muslims and Jews coming to blows on the Temple Mount - I cannot see how this Bill will appease the more "extreme" individuals amongst the various groups vying for exclusive rights to this piece of real estate.
Q: How will the possible passing and implementation of this Bill change the minds of those whom do not even recognise Israel and her citizens as a legitimate country/entity?

Then there are those advocating the construction of the 3rd Temple and watching for "signs" for its imminent restoration.
Q: Does the restoration of Jewish prayers on the Temple Mount have any basis in biblical prophecy?

Q: Will this Bill to share one of the holiest and most hotly contested sites on the planet, between the 3 major religions, result in peace & closer ties between Muslims and non-Muslims and regional stability OR will it only further inflame the already tense situation?

Please refrain from inflammatory comments about other religions if you wish to provide a response to this post - I am genuinely interested in understanding the ramifications of this Bill and how, if at all, it relates to End-time and Biblical prophecy.
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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:11 AM
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According to Jewish Law Jews are forbidden from entering the Temple Mount in a state of ritual impurity. All people today are considered to be in this state of ritual impurity. The conditions to remedy this condition are not available at the current time.
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posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:22 AM
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Well that certainly puts a twist on things then doesn't it!
Maybe the PTB want to get the "paperwork" out of the way first before they concentrate on overcoming this "state of ritual impurity"


The conditions to remedy this condition is not available at the current time.

Could you please expand on this - what conditions are necessary?



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:30 AM
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To be as vague as possible, End-time biblical stuff has to happen first



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Q: Would this Bill force the P.A and wider Muslim community to accept the Jewish community and them frequenting the Temple Mount for prayers?


That won't happen, they see nonmuslim as infidels, this includes jews and christians. They riot anytime a jew so much as looks at Mt. Moriah. If the Israeli government really gave a damn about what's going on at the temple mount, they would have put a stop to the hypocrisy keeping jews from going up, praying, or carrying scripture to recite, and stop the muslim wakf from conducting illegal digs to destroy jewish artifacts proving their claims that there was no temple there fabricated lies. Christians and jews both know the temples were there, there is substantial archeaological evidence proving this and recently there were 6000 skeletons found in a cave on the Mount thought to be the skeletons of executed jewish women and children during the Roman destruction of Jerusalem and the Temple in 70 A.D.




Q: How will the possible passing and implementation of this Bill change the minds of those whom do not even recognise Israel and her citizens as a legitimate country/entity?


It won't, if anything it will inflame the muslim community even more and you can probably expect terror attacks to rise significantly.




Q: Does the restoration of Jewish prayers on the Temple Mount have any basis in biblical prophecy?


It is written in prophecy that the Temple will be a house of prayer for all nations, ofcourse according to christian scriptures the nations will bow at the feet of Yeshua ha'Meshiach (Jesus the Christ) when the 2 flocks are made one (jews and christians) under one Shepherd.




Q: Will this Bill to share one of the holiest and most hotly contested sites on the planet, between the 3 major religions, result in peace & closer ties between Muslims and non-Muslims and regional stability OR will it only further inflame the already tense situation?


It will not inflame anything from the christian perspective except to say we dislike persecution of jews and their rights to worship as they see fit, be that on Temple Mount or anywhere else. Something needs to be done for the jewish people, it's not right that they can't even pray on their holiest site, they get treated like tourists and it is an insult, while muslim can play soccer there.

I think an earthquake happens that destroys the Dome of the Rock, that allows the Temple to be rebuilt if i remember correctly. Jerusalem is sitting on a fault line, but there hasn't been any activity there in quite a while. Julian the Apostate tried to have the Temple rebuilt in 363 A.D. and it was reported that fireballs attacked and consumed workers trying to lay the foundations of the Temple back then and the Romans gave up considering the place cursed.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:36 AM
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Originally posted by dashen
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To be as vague as possible, End-time biblical stuff has to happen first


Well Jesus can't rule from the temple if the Jews don't believe he is the one they are waiting for can he?



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:39 AM
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Originally posted by dashen
According to Jewish Law Jews are forbidden from entering the Temple Mount in a state of ritual impurity. All people today are considered to be in this state of ritual impurity. The conditions to remedy this condition are not available at the current time.
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The conditions are availible, they just refuse to believe in Him, in Yeshua the Messiah. The entire purpose of Jacobs Trouble (we call the Tribulation) is to make them seek his face, and the current events in the M.E. are building up to that purpose.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Thanks - I appreciate your responses.

Seems the Bill will cause more issues, not solve existing ones.

It will be very interesting to see what the outcome is of this Bill will be and whether we can expect a flare-up in the region as a consequence.

Cheers.




posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:42 AM
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Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by dashen
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To be as vague as possible, End-time biblical stuff has to happen first


Well Jesus can't rule from the temple if the Jews don't believe he is the one they are waiting for can he?


Tenach scripture states that the Messiah had to come before the destruction of the second Temple, if Yeshua was not the Messiah then there will never be a Messiah and we are all doomed, all of mankind. So they should be beliving and looking for him, or they are cut off forever.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:44 AM
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So incredibly idiotic. Every temple, church, and mosque should be turned to rubble.

Religion poisons everything. If i was in charge they would all be punished.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by dashen
According to Jewish Law Jews are forbidden from entering the Temple Mount in a state of ritual impurity. All people today are considered to be in this state of ritual impurity. The conditions to remedy this condition are not available at the current time.


That would actually be Mosaic Law, and since the council of Jamnia Judaism has been Talmudic not Mosaic.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:52 AM
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Originally posted by Char-Lee

Originally posted by dashen
reply to post by Sublimecraft
 


To be as vague as possible, End-time biblical stuff has to happen first


Well Jesus can't rule from the temple if the Jews don't believe he is the one they are waiting for can he?


Well, He is God. When He comes back it won't be to rule a democracy. He's the King.



posted on Aug, 12 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by dashen
According to Jewish Law Jews are forbidden from entering the Temple Mount in a state of ritual impurity. All people today are considered to be in this state of ritual impurity. The conditions to remedy this condition are not available at the current time.


That would actually be Mosaic Law, and since the council of Jamnia Judaism has been Talmudic not Mosaic.


I think now they believe the requirements for ritual purification are not the same as it would be if the Temple was there. They may not even know how to do the ritual purifications of Mosaic judaism anymore.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 08:51 PM
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good thread! S&F



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 09:03 PM
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Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by NOTurTypical

Originally posted by dashen
According to Jewish Law Jews are forbidden from entering the Temple Mount in a state of ritual impurity. All people today are considered to be in this state of ritual impurity. The conditions to remedy this condition are not available at the current time.


That would actually be Mosaic Law, and since the council of Jamnia Judaism has been Talmudic not Mosaic.


I think now they believe the requirements for ritual purification are not the same as it would be if the Temple was there. They may not even know how to do the ritual purifications of Mosaic judaism anymore.


Well.... without the shedding of blood there is no remission of sins. They have been screwed since 70 AD according to the Torah. Too bad they reject the ultimate atonement sacrifice.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 09:10 PM
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Dont worry the Jews are not alone.... we do not believe God is very bloodthirsty after all.... seemingly only men are....

what kind of a God cannot forgive sins without blood? Not a very powerful one huh?

My God is quite powerful... no blood needed.
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