Originally posted by bigfatfurrytexan
There is an awful lot of use of DNA evidence as of late in efforts to support all manner of racial claims. This being just one of them. And I am
against all of them. It is nothing but science being used to legitimize racism, even if that racism is just subtle racial pride.
Einstein once said that patriotism is no different than racism, as it presumes that you are somehow superior to another person by birthright. I agree
with him wholeheartedly.
Perhaps now you have more context into what I am saying, and can stop your subtle implications that I am somehow bringing racism into the mix. It is
the exact opposite....the article that is interpreting the study is racist.
you are correct re the use of genetics by eugenicists [they are like a creeping fungus that just wont go away]
this particular conspiracy/subversion of science goes by the name of The Neuroscientific View of Life
which along with Genetic Pre-determinism may very well be the pseudo-philosophical basis for the major acts of mass murder and genocide to be
perpetrated during the 21st century
Sorry, But Your Soul Just Died Tom Wolfe
From neuroscience to Nietzsche. A sobering look at how man may perceive himself in the future, particularly as ideas about genetic predeterminism
takes the place of dying Darwinism. . www.orthodoxytoday.org...
The neuroscientific view of life
This, the neuroscientific view of life, has become the strategic high ground in the academic world, and the battle for it has already spread well
beyond the scientific disciplines and, for that matter, out into the general public. Both liberals and conservatives without a scientific bone in
their bodies are busy trying to seize the terrain. The gay rights movement, for example, has fastened onto a study published in July of 1993 by the
highly respected Dean Hamer of the National Institutes of Health, announcing the discovery of "the gay gene." Obviously, if homosexuality is a
genetically determined trait, like left–handedness or hazel eyes, then laws and sanctions against it are attempts to legislate against Nature.
Conservatives, meantime, have fastened upon studies indicating that men's and women's brains are wired so differently, thanks to the long haul of
evolution, that feminist attempts to open up traditionally male roles to women are the same thing: a doomed violation of Nature.
Wilson himself has wound up in deep water on this score; or cold water, if one need edit. In his personal life Wilson is a conventional liberal, PC,
as the saying goes—he is, after all, a member of the Harvard faculty—concerned about environmental issues and all the usual things. But he has
said that "forcing similar role identities" on both men and women "flies in the face of thousands of years in which mammals demonstrated a strong
tendency for sexual division of labor. Since this division of labor is persistent from hunter–gatherer through agricultural and industrial
societies, it suggests a genetic origin. We do not know when this trait evolved in human evolution or how resistant it is to the continuing and
justified pressures for human rights."
"Resistant" was Darwin II, the neuroscientist, speaking. "Justified" was the PC Harvard liberal. He was not PC or liberal enough. Feminist protesters
invaded a conference where Wilson was appearing, dumped a pitcher of ice water, cubes and all, over his head, and began chanting, "You're all wet!
You're all wet!" The most prominent feminist in America, Gloria Steinem, went on television and, in an interview with John Stossel of ABC, insisted
that studies of genetic differences between male and female nervous systems should cease forthwith.
But that turned out to be mild stuff in the current political panic over neuroscience. In February of 1992, Frederick K. Goodwin, a renowned
psychiatrist, head of the federal Alcohol, Drug Abuse, and Mental Health Administration, and a certified yokel in the field of public relations, made
the mistake of describing, at a public meeting in Washington, the National Institute of Mental Health's ten–year–old Violence Initiative. This was
an experimental program whose hypothesis was that, as among monkeys in the jungle—Goodwin was noted for his monkey studies—much of the criminal
mayhem in the United States was caused by a relatively few young males who were genetically predisposed to it; who were hardwired for violent crime,
in short. Out in the jungle, among mankind's closest animal relatives, the chimpanzees, it seemed that a handful of genetically twisted young males
were the ones who committed practically all of the wanton murders of other males and the physical abuse of females. What if the same were true among
human beings? What if, in any given community, it turned out to be a handful of young males with toxic DNA who were pushing statistics for violent
crime up to such high levels? The Violence Initiative envisioned identifying these individuals in childhood, somehow, some way, someday, and treating
them therapeutically with drugs. The notion that crime–ridden urban America was a "jungle," said Goodwin, was perhaps more than just a tired old
That did it. That may have been the stupidest single word uttered by an American public official in the year 1992. The outcry was immediate. Senator
Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts and Representative John Dingell of Michigan (who, it became obvious later, suffered from hydrophobia when it came to
science projects) not only condemned Goodwin's remarks as racist but also delivered their scientific verdict: Research among primates "is a
preposterous basis" for analyzing anything as complex as "the crime and violence that plagues our country today." (This came as surprising news to
NASA scientists who had first trained and sent a chimpanzee called Ham up on top of a Redstone rocket into suborbital space flight and then trained
and sent another one, called Enos, which is Greek for "man," up on an Atlas rocket and around the earth in orbital space flight and had thereby
accurately and completely predicted the physical, psychological, and task–motor responses of the human astronauts, Alan Shepard and John Glenn, who
repeated the chimpanzees' flights and tasks months later.) The Violence Initiative was compared to Nazi eugenic proposals for the extermination of
undesirables. Dingell's Michigan colleague, Representative John Conyers, then chairman of the Government Operations Committee and senior member of the
Congressional Black Caucus, demanded Goodwin's resignation—and got it two days later, whereupon the government, with the Department of Health and
Human Services now doing the talking, denied that the Violence Initiative had ever existed. It disappeared down the memory hole, to use Orwell's
Anyone with a child in school knows the signs all too well. I have children in school, and I am intrigued by the faith parents now invest—the craze
began about 1990—in psychologists who diagnose their children as suffering from a defect known as attention deficit disorder, or ADD. Of course, I
have no way of knowing whether this "disorder" is an actual, physical, neurological condition or not, but neither does anybody else in this early
stage of neuroscience. The symptoms of this supposed malady are always the same. The child, or, rather, the boy—forty–nine out of fifty cases are
boys—fidgets around in school, slides off his chair, doesn't pay attention, distracts his classmates during class, and performs poorly. In an
earlier era he would have been pressured to pay attention, work harder, show some self–discipline. To parents caught up in the new intellectual
climate of the 1990s, that approach seems cruel, because my little boy's problem is...he's wired wrong! The poor little tyke —the fix has been in
since birth! Invariably the parents complain, "All he wants to do is sit in front of the television set and watch cartoons and play Sega Genesis." For
how long? "How long? For hours at a time." Hours at a time; as even any young neuroscientist will tell you, that boy may have a problem, but it is not
an attention deficit.
Nevertheless, all across America we have the spectacle of an entire generation of little boys, by the tens of thousands, being dosed up on ADD's magic
bullet of choice, Ritalin, the CIBA–Geneva Corporation's brand name for the stimulant methylphenidate. I first encountered Ritalin in 1966 when I
was in San Francisco doing research for a book on the psychedelic or hippie movement. A certain species of the genus hippie was known as the Speed
Freak, and a certain strain of Speed Freak was known as the Ritalin Head. The Ritalin Heads loved Ritalin. You'd see them in the throes of absolute
Ritalin raptures...Not a wiggle, not a peep...They would sit engrossed in anything at all...a manhole cover, their own palm
wrinkles...indefinitely...through shoulda–been mealtime after mealtime...through raging insomnias...Pure methyl–phenidate nirvana...From 1990 to
1995, CIBA–Geneva's sales of Ritalin rose 600 percent; and not because of the appetites of subsets of the species Speed Freak in San Francisco,
either. It was because an entire generation of American boys, from the best private schools of the Northeast to the worst sludge–trap public schools
of Los Angeles and San Diego, was now strung out on methylphenidate, diligently doled out to them every day by their connection, the school nurse.
America is a wonderful country! I mean it! No honest writer would challenge that statement! The human comedy never runs out of material! It never lets
Thereupon, in the year 2006 or 2026, some new Nietzsche will step forward to announce: "The self is dead"—except that being prone to the poetic,
like Nietzsche I, he will probably say: "The soul is dead." He will say that he is merely bringing the news, the news of the greatest event of the
millennium: "The soul, that last refuge of values, is dead, because educated people no longer believe it exists." Unless the assurances of the Wilsons
and the Dennetts and the Dawkinses also start rippling out, the lurid carnival that will ensue may make the phrase "the total eclipse of all values"
The two most fascinating riddles of the 21st century
If I were a college student today, I don't think I could resist going into neuroscience. Here we have the two most fascinating riddles of the
twenty–first century: the riddle of the human mind and the riddle of what happens to the human mind when it comes to know itself absolutely. In any
case, we live in an age in which it is impossible and pointless to avert your eyes from the truth.
Ironically, said Nietzsche, this unflinching eye for truth, this zest for skepticism, is the legacy of Christianity (for complicated reasons that
needn't detain us here). Then he added one final and perhaps ultimate piece of irony in a fragmentary passage in a notebook shortly before he lost his
mind (to the late–nineteenth–century's great venereal scourge, syphilis). He predicted that eventually modern science would turn its juggernaut of
skepticism upon itself, question the validity of its own foundations, tear them apart, and self–destruct.
these nihilist-materialists have been hitting ATS with their own brand of evangelizing a lot lately
indeed, my freind OP gives him[her]self away by claiming study disproves existence of Khazars
josephus is not a good source, either, as his brief mentions of jesus show signs of being interpolations
at the risk of possibly [further offending] offending some
i'd like to point out that this is SOP for the Aryan "priesthood" that established the caste system in india and also coopted the original Brunet
[later Dark White, and later "caucasian"] population of europe as being of the same "race" [yet even today, northern europeans tend to think of/refer
to southern europeans as "lazy and shiftless", hmmm, now where have we heard that before? .
i find it amusing that OP is Correct in pointing out that the Mosaic [Shiloh] Priesthood was anti-monarchic,
the current priesthood cohen, is of the aaronic line which had a major hand in the rewriting of the Torah
from whence we westerners derive the "divine right of kings" fallacy
however there is no such thing as a jewish race the proper racial designation for an ancient israelite is Hebrew
history does not repeat itself,
but sometimes it rhymes
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