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Twin Ancient Cultures On Opposite Sides Of The Pacific

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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 03:26 PM
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Originally posted by siluriancryptic

About 450 AD the Lamanites or native americans in the Americas became a great nation . Their ancestors came from Ancient Israel ~599 BC .


And I have never heard such utter nonsense. The early civilizations of the Americas had absolutely no connection to ancient Israel whatsoever.

In fact, I will go so far as to say that only a complete madman could believe such drivel. ~$heopleNation




posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 03:41 PM
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On the left: Khmer Empire's (9 – 13 AD) Baksei temple .
On the right: Mayan’s Temple of the Masks



Check out the three main platforms, and the forth smaller platform (circled) at the top.


Both structures have steep stairways


Similar arches can be found


The rule of 3,


That can be found in Freemason architecture:


Why aren't these obvious glaring observations
discussed in mainstream academia?
Why does it take a journalist to present this info to us?



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 04:34 PM
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reply to post by FoosM
 


Very cool.
The elephants really blow my mind.
Because if the scientists are correct. There is no way possible for a Mayan to have ever seen an elephant.
In fact it would be impossible.

So now we are left with.


  1. Either someone described or showed them an image of an elephant.
  2. They travelled somewhere there was an elephant
  3. Someone visited them with an elephant
  4. There were elephants alive in the americas at the time the image was carved


In either case it's a very strong case for mayans traveling great distances or someone traveling a great distance to visit them.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 04:46 PM
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Native Americans were not Jews.

They are descendant of a single ancestral group it seems.

www.sciencedaily.com...

But even then that group was descended from Asia and that population had been isolated for thousands of years.

Certainly if the Jewish population were tested and were found to have the same 9-repeat allele then you'd have a case. But I'm highly skeptical they would.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 04:58 PM
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It would be courteous to include the original source for the works you are posting



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 05:03 PM
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reply to post by Harte
 


Probably in the foundation of some church. The colonist found whatever they could and used it for foundations.

It is an anecdote, but the culture of those days was more trustworthy. What's a desk clerk writing back to Germany got to gain by writing that if its a lie?



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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There's some evidence for other group too besides Asia.

Realize that if you have an all Asian population and a few dozen people get ship wrecked that you are not going to find genetic proof of their existence 2000 years later. After that, the genes have been thoroughly absorbed.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 05:13 PM
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reply to post by Gorman91
 


Apparently you can.
Read the link I posted.
There is a gene or something that is present in modern day native new world population, not just american indians, that is not in other native populations around the globe.

Very interesting stuff.
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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 06:00 PM
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The Pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact hypotheses is on wiki.

en.wikipedia.org...

The mystery of the coc aine mummies is interesting,

www.channel4.com... aine-mummies/4od/



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 06:04 PM
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Depends on the gene and its quantity. Even the link you provided shows that the specific trait is found as far as Afghanistan.

Also, the literally millions who died when first contact occurred. It's perfectly possible any genetic evidence was completely annihilated.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 06:27 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by Signals
 

reply to post by Trueman
 


Simply put, these "gods" couldn't run the nations they told their slaves to build. They could not manage the things they ordered made in their image.


Ah, you get it. The difference between Man (mankind) and the Angel's (and/or Fallen).

Due to their "Intended Purposes" they lack the ability to utilize Original Thought. They only know what they know, and have no means to learn from what they know.

They came to earth, to act as GOD. They rebuilt what they Knew, using what they had, to do so. But nothing seemed to get better, or 'evolve' past what they originally knew.

You spoke of Enoch. Some knew the Stars, Some new the Seasons, Some knew weapons crafting / Metalsmithing. Some Pharmaceuticals, and on.....

Sure, many can surmise what ever they wish, if it helps them to cope and keeps them happy and secure.

Is this what happened here???? Who knows, but the gods and deities no longer here to indicate one way or another.

But if this isn't an indication something to this effect did occur, then I can't think of what would.

And for those who have difficulties with the premise of gods and deities, call them by their other name.

Aliens

Ciao

Shane



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 06:28 PM
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Duplicated.
edit on 13-8-2012 by Shane because: speling




posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Originally posted by reficul
this is very interesting!
can someone explain to me why the mayans have an elephant statue!!!!
that is nutty!!!
i guess its in the same realm as angor wat and there stegasoauras carvings!!!
history is a mystery!!!


Look up Cuvieronius -- an elephant-like animal that lived in the central & south Americas 12,000 years ago. Went extinct in 10,000 BC.

It's annoying to repeat the same info over & over again.

The Mayan & other American cultures are much, much older than conventional scientists believe.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 06:49 PM
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If allowed, I could fill pages of silly nonsense that would suggest, this may be factual. There is Chaldean and Hebrew writings in this continent, which means one of two things. Either the Ancient Lybians or Egyptians who traveled to this continent, left the Chaldean and Hebrew script to F with us today, or a Chaldean or Hebrew left it.

That's off topic though.

As another example similarities found in various places, is Ancient Lore, about Creation, or the Great Flood for that matter. Same context, with slightly altered 'facts' of who and with what.

There had to be either a direct connection between these Ancients, or visitors brought the message. As another put it, it may be an indicator of the "Atlantis" plausibility, or as another the gods, or visitors, or Aliens OR happenstance, as some wish it to be.

Pick your version.

Ciao

Shane

P.S. I wasn't trying to seem conflictive. Just noting this can be argued to be true.
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posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by FractalChaos13242017
There are surely striking similarities, kind of a common theme amongst 'ancient structures'... it kinda makes me wonder sometimes how this could be.

In my opinion, it looks as if these two had their own similar paths of development, but none the less are complete individuals themselves.

This very type of 'evolution' being possible, the mimic'ing and such of patterns used for communication manifests some real interesting questions as to how 'everything works'. I'd even go as far to say that this 'Golden Age' or whatever it's called, in this proposed theory is certainly plausible. I've actually suggested this myself many times. I wouldn't go as far to claim that they were more spiritual, rather... they had a totally different comprehension of what we call 'reality'. I suggest checking out Bicameralism (psychology). The evolution of consciousness, communication and/or cognition is some interesting story that I've been researching for a while now.





Na baby na. This vague, but interesting at times, idea to to much to consider in this sort of physical manifestation. To much communication going on in a thing like this.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 06:55 PM
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reply to post by AuranVector
 


There us another idea. As you know the Maya had a great flood story. Some of those that lived after the flood may have made these figures.



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 07:13 PM
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reply to post by LiveForever8
 


Hey, thanks for the link. There is a lot of information on that one page alone. It will be fun, perusing later.



Ciao

Shane



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 08:03 PM
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So, what happens to this theory if the Mayan 'elephant' is actually an anteater?



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 08:15 PM
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Originally posted by Shane

P.S. I wasn't trying to seem conflictive. Just noting this can be argued to be true.


Shane, No offense taken. I respect an open mind, and I could care less about anyone agreeing with my position on anything here at ATS. I give my opinions and that is where it ends. Too many people here get wrapped up in the "what, You don't see it my way?" mentality. Opinions will always vary. I try to live by that rule.

Back to the topic at hand though. Well yeah, alot of historical subjects can be argued for no matter what. That is what happens when so much time has passed.

So, There are actual Chaldean and Hebrew writings on this continent? Would you mind providing some evidence to back up that claim? No worries either, it's not another subject. In fact, it fits right in with the discussion.

Know this though my friend, I already have a logical explanation if in fact your claim is true, and that means backed up with evidence. So, Let's see it. ~$heopleNation



posted on Aug, 13 2012 @ 08:23 PM
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Originally posted by Gorman91
reply to post by WarminIndy
 


Funny how off topic this is, but is it? If the same script in Spain used by Carthage is the same prototype for Hebrew used as far east as the Jews in Iran, why not then the same for South east Asia and Americas?


The Similarities stem from One Peoples. The Phoenicians. They originated the "Script" so to speak.

Which is the Hebrew script found in the U.S. such as the Los Luna Stone.



Dating to 1000 BC roughly. It's Paleo Hebrew, which makes sense, seeing it's during the hey days of David's and Solomon's Kingdoms, which the later, had the largest fleet in the world, funded by the wealthiest Kingdom, with assistance of The King of Tyre, Hiram, and the Phoenician Sailors who guided the fleets. The Largest and Wealthiest Kingdom of the time, would have a common writing/script shared between themselves and their allies.

And don't get to concerned with the "Spanish" connection. What Mountain Range runs through the West of Espana? The Iberian, or Iber or Eber or Hebrew. All the same implied meaning. The Same Peoples.

You see, society has a dim view of Israel, and generally affix a specific Jewish negative to the Term. We generally forget what Israel was, and the Wealth it amassed with it's ALLIES. Libya, Egypt, Phoenicia, and Tyre and Sidon as Allies. Syria and the Moabites being ruled by Solomon.

This makes up a majority of the known Med Basin, and examples of seafaring evidence litter the Globe.

SO, yes, it's on topic, but a lot earlier than the "discussed" time frame of Bali, for instant. I think these buildings/temples date from 900 Ad thru to the 15 or 16th Century.

The Mayan, obviously where here a lot longer, from 2400 BC thru to 1000 AD.

Ciao

Shane









 
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