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US Attorneys Refuse to Assure Judge That They Are Not Already Detaining Citizens Under NDAA

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posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 12:03 AM
And yet people trust the govt and the media propaganda machine

posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 12:31 AM
There is a simple solution, and the sum of it is "We the People" are the proper authorities, where as the elected officials are our appointed reprentatives. But the majority has never made a change, it was always the few.
To put it more simply with words that have been said before, ones everybody ought to keep in mind.

"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."


posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 01:01 AM
reply to post by ADVISOR

People need to start voting at local levels. How many people vote for their own Sheriff? Or even know how, or who he/she is? The only way to fix this is to become aware and start voting and fight voter fraud.

edit on 17-8-2012 by CalebRight14 because: (no reason given)

posted on Aug, 17 2012 @ 08:15 AM
While I still reserve a slight hope in "fixing" things from the bottom and the like, I am under the impression that at this point it isn't going to do much. I do not believe the establishment would relinquish power, even if we could stop voter fraud and start putting people in places to make a difference. I wish the world wasn't this way but it seems to be.

I am conflicted in that regard and don't want to come across as saying "grab those pitchforks and let's start heads rolling" and these comments will certainly not do justice for what I truly feel. These few detached comments certain do no justice and in no way encompass fully, any of our thoughts....but I am at a place where I think it is time for certain heads to roll. I suppose some subscribe to the "non-violence" at any cost ideals, however, I do not. I believe there is a time for that and I believe we are nearing the end of that time.....We see it all the time, protestors standing in the streets...beaten by jackboot thugs protecting interests of those they do not know or seems frivolous to me...of course, what is the alternative?

Again, I don't want to come across saying things I am not....
In the end, people just need to start becoming aware of these things....There truly is an information war going on and some of us have been fighting it for a long time.

I actually posted this 3 different times on my fb (you know, the place many here fear because "they" are "watching"....I see that as cowardly myself but that is just me and that isn't the conversation here)....
I generally have quite a few who are "in line" with many musing here on ATS and my own as well...I can post pictures and memes and various things with my own thoughts attached and I generally receive a fair amount of response....but when it comes to this all I have heard is crickets, even amongst those I have aligned with there....

I am not sure why this is the case....whether it be fear or cognitive dissonance derived from fear....or just lack of knowledge and understanding about how important and "scary" this whole thing is and will become if something isn't done....what that "something" is, I do not know...I don't have a solution and what has been said is really the only one (voting from the bottom up) everything and anything else seems suicidal at this point due to lack of coordination, organization, mobilization...etc

I know if we go fighting fire with fire....sure it may change a bit for a while, but such a thing is circular in nature...we end up right back where we started.
I don't generally post such thoughts here because the self-righteous among us seem to attack them as "flip-floppy" and yata yata....but whatever.

I just want change....some compassion in the world...some empathy for others and a stop to this seems no where in sight, unfortunately. (But we can always HOPE and do our best to TRY to make a difference and that is all we can do)......Giving up is NOT an option, not for me anyways!

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