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For Adults who refuse to grow up, Is Christianity the Adult version for Santa Clauss

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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:37 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
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And now we watch you squirm.


Oh yes squirm'in all squirmilly all squirm'in all over.

People of this mentality are a site to behold. WTF is there to squirm about ? I mean really to assume such a thing speaks volumes to your own arrogance.
edit on 19-8-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)


Yeah, when they start the bad language it means they lost the logic, and all they speak is trash mouth, you know the squiming is in progress.

Yeah, I think so. Because we see the self-aggrandizations of man trying to make folks think they are god.

Since you tell everyone the words in the book were written directly by god.

You support that David is god, James is god, et al. Utter Non-sense

This is your god: I think, therefore: I am

Christians have this inflated ego that their little book is important and thus themselves. They believe if they read one book that the world is theirs and they find eternal life.

People that never saw you little book know more about god than Christians.

Christians, they can't show anyone god, Can't show anyone Jesus. And can't show sanity due to their illusions. They run afoul of all other religions for worship of false icons.

All they have is a huge imagination and a lot of arrogance. Christians and PT Barnum have much in common.


Everyone has seen the religion games, it interferes with other countries leadership. In Vietnam the Nuns caused problems. In China, Christians were killed for meddling with the leadership. Christians really need to leave others alone that don't want your illusions to gain a foothold in a country and exploit their peoples with faked up illusions.

Christians can't face a simple truth that Jesus mentors were socialistic, and that was part of his message. So, the Christian spends all his days trying to tell himself and the world Jesus was not socialitic, so the wealth inequity can push the world to faked religion kings.

Christians are about as far away from the Jesus theme as one can get, so much so they are the anti-Christs, the beast, and the arrogant ones.




edit on 19-8-2012 by MagnumOpus because: the real god theme cannot take any form known to anyone and pays zero attention to humans




posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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My arm is available and with that I can not contend. I'm done here guys and I have someone else to put to my friends list.



The honor is all mine.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by WhisperingWinds

Originally posted by randyvs
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And now we watch you squirm.


Oh yes squirm'in all squirmilly all squirm'in all over.

People of this mentality are a site to behold. WTF is there to squirm about ? I mean really to assume such a thing speaks volumes to your own arrogance.
edit on 19-8-2012 by randyvs because: (no reason given)


Sadly, it seems to show the purpose of this whole thread, which doesn't seem to be much of a "loving" theme at all.

I would be honored to escort you out of the thread..you are far too good of a man to engage in the prattle of those who wish to ridicule and dominate.
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You have so many words on pages of a book, which is all. Many other religions do too. Many go all their lifes with no religions and no book to worship, and they know god better than all these words that are run arounds of excuses for the simple issues that you have nothing to show, but more empty words.

If you have a god, with miracles, show the world a mircle. Restore the lives of all persons shot in Aurora, Co.

Else, be seen as so many words that don't mean nothing. Except perhaps for the clink of coins in a plate, then how different are you than PT Barnum.

I've studied this book and I notice those in the world that don't know it are far better off.

All the Bible does is support a Royalist agenda and trying to force the world to a NWO with a faked up religious king, when the US wants no kings, wants equality, and with that comes freedom and peace.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 11:41 PM
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So.... you weren't being purposely obtuse? First you say you were and now you've gone back to being obtuse again. What's the deal? I can put my nose in anywhere I want, I thought the purpose of this site was to discuss certain topics. Am I not allowed to discuss something like everyone else?



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 11:44 PM
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Christians appears to have blinders on to ignore the roots of their beginnings of their god theme. The Christian's Yahweh god theme began in the times of Abraham and with the same gods that Enoch was associated. Those gods were mostly about exploition of humans for work of various types, like gold mine issues. These gods wanted to play and fear monger the workers into subhmission.

Nothing new is happening under the Sun since those times, except the churches try to become these gods mouthpiece, keeping up the tradtion and games, and tell you that you will go to hell if you don't follow our leadership. Same sort of scare tactics, nothing new.

What is the churches ultimate goal, nothing but that of a religious king to lead the world with the religious king running over countries like the US that don't want any religious leadership running the country. The US wants we the People totally independent of church non-sense dragging countries into faked up wars because they want to exploit resources and their people.

Where to Christian Church like to invade but places that have socialism as their Govt form. So, next thing one knows is some religious war starts and all these investments of these religion organizations start making huge profits from making weapons and killing those that don't subscribe to their illusions and economic designs. Christian Churchs seem to hate counties with socialist policies and since those systems have constant problems with the Christians causing them problems they usually kick out the Christians.

Christians butting onto socialist states have a long standing problem from Vietnam and the Nuns that started all the trouble there, which ends up killing the Diems and the US gets tossed off the Socialist orient. Same thing with China, as missioniaries tried to gain a foothold there, they were shot for interference with the Govt. aims.

But now, real problems are afoot due to the crazy Christian Beliefs, as now China is starting a new gold standard and the US Dollar is going down the drain with unstable inflation. China and Russia are backing Iran, which appears to be all the non-Christians against the Christians over a new game for resource exploitations. This one shapes up more along the lines of Armageddon, with super-powers armed with nukes.

And who is to win but all the weapons industries all these upper religion types own, and killing with be a profit margin for religious Royals that own the corportations.

Soon, we find that faked up religion is just a Santa to the corrupt political church and the Royal interests hiding behind its ultimate designs for a religious king over the world. Then freedoms be dashed, for all must serve a king based on false Christian illusions, if that were to come close to happening.

But the last battle restores equality, economic freedom, and a long term peace as those that had the illusions will not longer have any respect from an entire world that tosses a mountain of stones on the feet of clay.

Christianity is a Ponzi Game and there is no reward for those with golden glitter driving their goals.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 11:48 PM
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Why do you always run in the wake of logic? Do you willfully ignore it? Are you being willfully ignorant? You refute nothing, throw a hissy-fit, Insult others, then leave. It's the same pattern every time with you. I know that's what you do because I have seen you do it more than once, including in one of my threads.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 11:51 PM
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I 100% agree with you here. Great post.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 05:53 AM
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Per the Peter topic and that being so bogus a term for Jesus recounts, check out what the Greeks somewhat appeared to have called Peter symbolically and you get the message about how really badly he was received:




freethoughtnation.com...

Bronze sculpture hidden in the Vatican treasury of the Cock, symbol of St. Peter. Inscription reads "Savior of the World."

(Note that I do not say here or elsewhere that the bronze sculpture itself is a symbol of St. Peter, but only the cock or rooster, as in the story of Matthew 26:34, etc., in which Peter denies Christ three times before the cock crows. In several places elsewhere in my book I provide the citation for the cock/rooster being a symbol of St. Peter.

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Previous to this image (168), I had discussed this theme of the "peter" or cock, with the esoteric and "vulgar" meaning:

"Peter" is not only "the rock" but also "the cock" or penis, as the word is used as slang to this day. As Walker says, "The cock was also a symbol of Saint Peter, whose name also meant a phallus or male principle (pater) and a phallic pillar (petra). Therefore, the cock's image was often placed atop church towers."



It is a little X-rated, but it appears to have been on display at the Vatican, so it is part of the history



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 06:04 AM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Why do you always run in the wake of logic? Do you willfully ignore it? Are you being willfully ignorant? You refute nothing, throw a hissy-fit, Insult others, then leave. It's the same pattern every time with you. I know that's what you do because I have seen you do it more than once, including in one of my threads.



This always happens when the Christians get caught with their empty words. They try to call everyone else names, drop some bad words, then retreat like their paints are on fire.

It always is this try to save face game, they can't ever be wrong styled arrogance, and simple logic sends them running away with ego's soiled and their serotonin rewards dashed.

Santa is just a training camp concept for Christians, Santa brings presents on Jesus alledged BD. Santa has great miracles of near space flight and he is immortal. What worked for Santa is the same formula for Jesus being loaded with faked up great miracles. But when Toto's simple logic pulls back the curtain, it is only a human form from a Dorothy dream when a great wind sent her upon an imaginary journey.

Most of the world turns from the Christian needs for illusion and self-aggrandizations, as it appears only a game for serotonin releases due to fantasy mind games of illusions.

Everyone else does great with reality.


edit on 20-8-2012 by MagnumOpus because: Those with the need for fantasy



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 06:32 AM
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It would appear there is a book that holds Jesus was rather mortal and explains where he went after the Jerusalem ordeal. It is the story for "Yeshua ben Ya’acob ben Gennesareth"

There are even books on this subject and ones that the Christians are going to have much trouble with due to what it claims.





www.newagegod.com...

What Was Written on the Stolen Scroll

The author of the scroll called himself Yeshua ben Ya’acob ben Gennesereth. He said he was now 80 years old, and the last legitimate king of Israel. He was making this last stand at Masada with the other Zealots defending this fortress. Yeshua also said he had watched as his own son was crucified by the Roman’s below on the plain. On the morrow, he was certain that the fire started by the Romans would burn through the wooden defense wall the Zealots had erected behind the breach in the stone wall.




posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 01:05 PM
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Instead of blindly defending the origin of Christian doctrine and dogma, you of all people should know how the church, beginning with Paul, has twisted the teachings of Jesus. It is the twisting of the words of Jesus that has led us to this discussion of Christmas, fake Jesus' and Santa Confusion. It's a really valid point!

Right on! In my own studies, I discovered that the Holy Roman Church destroyed every writing that spoke of the real Christ, who he was, and what he did. Why would they do this? So they could invent their own Savior, who is probably some being no one really wants to meet. And to seize all power in the Kingdom. And to keep the flow of money constant and never ending.

I really have to say, some Christians within the hallowed walls of this forum act the same about their Jesus as a kid does about Santa Claus, there is very little difference in the emotional passion.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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As everyone may notice, the Bible is a terrible historic reference. So, for a book alledged to be about god they sure didn't know much. It doesn't get the BD for Jesus recorded, though folks came from Babylon to pay respects.

Per this book on Jesus dies at Masada, several interesting issues crop up. One is the fella was 80 years old, and would have him born in 7 BC. This is plausible for Jesus as some suggest a constellation alignment around August 21-22 of 7 BC. If one accepts these numbers then Jesus was not 33 years, but 40 years old at the Cross deal. And Jesus survived the Cross and lived off with the Essenes until 80 years of age.

But, the name "Yeshua ben Ya’acob ben Gennesereth" which also appears to be "Joshua Ben Ja'acob Ben Gennesareth" sure implies this would be a Jesus theme.

One finds the Masada Scroll called "The Jesus Scroll" perhaps disappeared into Russia, and on ATS one can pick up this Russian theme again.

So, the question becomes did the Vatican buy the Jesus Scroll and give the Russians tons of money to be allowed to hide it, and now the Vatican has a huge hands off Russia trend because they know the Russians kept enough evidence of this scroll to sink the Vatican to the bottom of any Holy Sea, more like one huge stone to break all their feet of clay.




www.abovetopsecret.com...

It was said that the scroll was stolen, undocumented, smuggled out of Israel and taken to the Soviet Union. All though the scroll is of great speculation the events that took place make one wonder. At this point in History the Soviet Union and the Vatican were on the verge of war. The Vatican hated the Soviet Union for denying its people Christianity. Not far into 1965 the Soviet Union requested a "sit down" with the Pope and other Vatican officials. What happens next is astonishing. The Vatican suddenly forgave the Soviet Union and gave then millions of dollars to rebuild its Churches. The Soviet Union used the money to build and rebuild radio towers and other non-religious government projects. The Vatican has yet to even sneer at the way the money was spent, much less reprimand the government of the former Soviet Union.



Perhaps some more pieces to the puzzle to clear up the fog of the poorest historical record ever written called The Bible.


edit on 20-8-2012 by MagnumOpus because: This is a very interesting piece of information and it ruins the Christians over the top beliefs of Jesus.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 01:35 PM
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Well said, MagnumOpus. I too have went round and round with people telling me the exact words of God himself are contained within those pages, while any intelligent person knows better. I have heard a lot of preachers call it "The Word of God" many times, and each time was a lie. Will they ever wake up to this, Magnum?



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 01:44 PM
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So you ignore the obvious coincidence and chalk it up as fantasy? I'm not trying to rip the bible to shreds, I am just pointing out the corruption that is contained within it.

Yes, you are, and so are others on this board. Trouble is, we have to keep repeating ourselves because the religious people refuse to listen. I am not about ripping the Bible to shreds either, just showing the corruption and greed of the organization that runs the Church. These minions destroyed what was real, and made up their own version, and today many still believe the lies and myths. Even if Jesus himself came down here and told them all the truth, they no doubt still would refuse to believe it. They would probably arrest him.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 02:02 PM
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What is the churches ultimate goal, nothing but that of a religious king to lead the world with the religious king running over countries like the US that don't want any religious leadership running the country. The US wants we the People totally independent of church non-sense dragging countries into faked up wars because they want to exploit resources and their people.

You got that right. I too can see this, I watch many different sources including television, and I can see the push for an America based on Christian values and Biblical Law. Truth is, this is not a new thing, Christianity has been after it's very own country for many years. I say let them have it, perhaps in the Sinai Desert where they will feel at home? They can put up a wall to keep sinners out and pray all day long.



posted on Aug, 20 2012 @ 02:18 PM
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As everyone may notice, the Bible is a terrible historic reference.

I agree, not only is the Bible a bad reference for Ancient History, the stories are out of chronological order in many places. And the very authorship is in question, and in this thread, under heavy fire.

Per this book on Jesus dies at Masada, several interesting issues crop up. One is the fella was 80 years old, and would have him born in 7 BC. This is plausible for Jesus as some suggest a constellation alignment around August 21-22 of 7 BC. If one accepts these numbers then Jesus was not 33 years, but 40 years old at the Cross deal. And Jesus survived the Cross and lived off with the Essenes until 80 years of age.

That makes perfect sense, my friend.

Essenes

A Jewish ascetic sect, which was originally based upon sun- worshipping of Persian anchorites. Eventually it developed into a sect based on Jain yogis claiming to be able to perform miracles by living separately from the world and practicing extreme self-denial. One large Essenic community was in the Qumran region from 110 BC to the fall of Jerusalem in 70 AD. It was vacant during the reign of Herd, 31 - 4 BC and especially after a large earthquake in 31 BC.

It is believed among their prominent members were John the Baptist, Jesus and Simon Magus the founder of Gnosticism. One indication that Christ may have been an Essene was that He criticized the Scribes and Pharisees, but never the Essenes. It is, also, speculated that those following Christ were called Essenes before they were known as Christians.

The Essenes possessed a hierarchy. The chief priest was known as Christos (Anointed One), "head of the whole Congregation of israel." The ordinary priests were called "sons of Aaron," and there was another functionary known as the Messiah of Israel. He also was known as the Teacher of Righteousness and was to undergo and suffer physical abuse in atonement for the sins of the whole community, enduring "vindictive sentences of scourging and the terrors of painful sicknesses, and vengeance on his fleshly body."

The Essenic view of the world seemed to be one of predeterminism. Their eternal and omnipotent God not only knew everything that would occur in the world but also arranged for it to happen. Within this predestined arrangement there were two ways that involve a macrocosm and a microcosm. In God's plan the two ways are the ways of light and darkness, or the ways of good and evilness. Quantities of light and darkness exist in the entire universe, angels and men. The opposite quantities are in constant battle. This battle between the two is macrocosmic, universal, as well as microcosmic, in men. God holds the duality in constant control and knows the eventual outcome.
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One wonders how a Essene would be treated in today's society? How would his message be taken?



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 12:26 AM
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It seems like they have given up trying to debate and have decided to just ignore the facts.



posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 01:04 PM
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Originally posted by autowrench
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Well said, MagnumOpus. I too have went round and round with people telling me the exact words of God himself are contained within those pages, while any intelligent person knows better. I have heard a lot of preachers call it "The Word of God" many times, and each time was a lie. Will they ever wake up to this, Magnum?


Hello AutoWrench,

Thanks for the comments. They may wake up slowly with proper challenge of their wrong directions. There is lots of words of deception in the workings of Christian religion.

Certainly it is pure non-sense to call any of the human written works of the Bible's Narrative as written by god. All that is a game of words, and most know it was the Constantine political choice effots looking for what they termed devine inspired words, which they as humans decided which was and wasn't. It is still humans making the calls and overstating the values of the words and written works.

Christians seem to be easily fooled, as many start with belief in Santa Clauss as children, then move on to more cleaver methods for beliefs in god or Jesus, and they learn to take things as truth with little checking for validity and going totally against the ways of nature itself with the many claims for miracles and god done it. Belief in Santa seems to be the early training for not being objective of thinking and failure to look into issues at deeper levels of critical thinking.

The real story is the theme of Virgin Birth was written from the understanding of the Essenes for Virgin or unspoiled of religion truths, and their allegorical type wording taken as literal. The Christian version of Virgin Mary was not even on the scene until a Pope decided to endorse the fable in recent time. Such a simple explanational alludes their thinking process, as they ingore the real history. And it gets worse as they claim Jesus died and defied common sense like when you are clinically dead, you don't come back to life. The Common Sense says he passed out from pain and exhaustion and was taken down before death. And even when one reads the words of Joseph to take Jesus down it refers to "Soma," or the living body. So, Christians don't appear to even respect the words of Joseph. They have this need to think they are more than mortals.

Then Joseph and Nicodemus work on the limp, but living, body of Jesus with the 75 pounds of Myrrh, which will make the wounds heal and save his life. Christians have this problem of being mind-less as they failed to see that Joseph called Jesus as living, Soma, and none of the rules for being around the dead apply to Joseph and Nicodemus helping save Jesus Life. So, one more case where Christianity is blind to simple fact and common sense.

Untimately, these over the top Christian Beliefs literally attack our Constitution, as in the US "We The People" don't want a King or Lord to tell the country how to operate and we don't want religion involved in US Govt. So, all this Jesus will return to take over all parts of the world is against the Constitution Values and the intentions of the founding fathers of the US. Yet, Christians get into thinking the US Govt will fall in the Jesus return.

It gets worse, as too many Christians support Israel with money to speed up the issues for End-Times and the War of Armageddon, when they really should just deal with reality that Jesus didn't die on the Cross with some miracle, but Jesus is long gone as any human after 2,000 years.

Christians readily get into the Essene beliefs for reincarnation with the little games that Jesus is alive in each of us, because we believe. They are the body of Christ, is their claim, and this resounding the theme for reincaration of Jesus into others. But, when the Christians make gross errors in their beliefs of Jesus they not only sin against Jesus' memory, they also become the anti-Christ of the political church. They become the Beasts of the End-Times with the same lacking mental power as the cows grazing on the plains, and they failed to associate the sign of the Beast is in the forehead of the brain missing the most important details for religion.

What religion provides is another version of Santa Clauss and the need for humans to cling to pretty stories and sometimes the praises they tell them about they are righter and better than others, only to find in the End-Times that they didn't listen about the Trinity was forged into the Bible, and Joseph spoke of "Soma", and Mary was pure of religious mind. Such a total lack for understanding for what occured in the real history for religion is what is called a Christian in this day and time and it really has become a proverbial unthinking beast and the anti-Christ.

Such is the illiteracy of the Christian Religion.


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posted on Aug, 21 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
It seems like they have given up trying to debate and have decided to just ignore the facts.



It might be that as we challenge their wrong beliefs, those with the regard to uphold common sense and obvious truths have really begun to help toss a Mountain of Stone upon their feet of Clay.

Christians insist on being blind, and they can't read of the issues before the time of Genesis and Eden and find the story of the Fertile Crescent issues of River Cultures and advanced peoples of those times. Though the gods of Anu are highly on record in the ancient history, the Christian limits his total world of knowledge to the few words of a book that are misread, embellished, and turned into false beliefs and worship of icons for god.

When all this is laid out before them in ways they cannot win, they depart with their words of arrogance toward those that insisted on truth and ruined their fairy tales used for self-promotion.


Christianity is all about an elaborate form for self aggrandization by those easily taken up with illusions for being more than mortal, and these delusions for their grandeur appear much the same, biochemically, as taking a drug to alter their reality and their percetions of well being with serotonin driven issues.

The rest of the literate and well grounded world is against drug addiction in any form, even the religion narcotic effects of fantasy mindsets, and even highly resist the needs of the self-aggradizing Christians to persure false icons for god and depart from a rational and reasoned respect for the natural order of the physical universe.

Thus, we fnd the anti-Christs that seek Jesus as more than a Man, and their mindless methods become the Beasts and the reasons for wars as the End-Times nears and as things progress even the Chistians have to admit their sins against Jesus and men. Else, refusing to change their evil inclinations result in Mtns of Stone tossed onto their Souls of Clay and their foundations and illusions will be no more.


These patterns of religious thinking have worried the great minds, like Karl Jung, Karl Marx, and even Sigmud Freud, as they sought to reason if this elaborate form for self aggrandization is akin to mental disorders and like effects for degrees of mania and sociopathic needs for control of others. The quest then, as now, is the question for if religion is a mental disorder. With the departure from reality that Christians seek, it is surely so defined. One finds that sociopathic disorders have huge displays of arrogance, manifest with self delusions to attract attention to themselves.


What many forms of Govt have discovered is religion, like Christianty, are a deceptive means to have religion overlord Govt. itself, and have elements like the Vatican seek to run over Govt. It is a means to enlist the slow of mind to support the Royalist's methods to have Kings and Religion dominate the world. This generally starts wars from time to time, and the riches of the wars go to arms makers which the Royalists and Vatican highly invest. Such games are being highly used historically against the Socialist and Communist countries that had to limit these games for religions to take over their Govt. designs.

Today, these same negative elements enlist the US into making wars to support the expansion footprint of those of Royalist intentions left over from the very beginnings of religion with Kings, Lords, and gods. Such elements as this drive the Third World War, and the loss of peace and tranquility of these times due to this greed for power and control over others, thus one finds the roots of such arrogance.



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posted on Aug, 22 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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So, what are the roots of the arrogance.




(Matthew 10:34-36) - "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35"For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; 36and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."

(Luke 12:51,52) - "Do you suppose that I came to grant peace on earth? I tell you, no, but rather division; 52for from now on five members in one household will be divided, three against two, and two against three..."



So, the road ahead is one rooted in divisions, even in families, and due to the wrong directions taken by many in their beliefs about god and gods. Just like the Essene got a big hint on the gods via the book of Enoch, so the Christians that don't read become divided from the essential elements for truth of religion and that of gods.

Until the gap is closed in the Christian's weak understandings that promote fantasy, there will be no peace and common understanding.



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