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For Adults who refuse to grow up, Is Christianity the Adult version for Santa Clauss

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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 07:51 PM
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(Jesus) said that not even the gates of hell would prevail against his church,


Surely, you can't believe that the structure of the "church," up until the "new age" didn't exemplify the "gates of hell!"

Surely, you can't believe that the Roman Catholic Church was, in fact, the church that Jesus was referring to!

That is what this thread is about! Not about your personal epiphany on the sacrifice of Jesus, but on the influence, and thus the corruption of said church.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 07:54 PM
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My whole quote, you took it out of context with that one snippet, I really wish you'd stop being a bit of a jerk..but I can forgive you.



Originally posted by NewAgeMan
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He probably got the wrong idea when Jesus, after Peter gave his testimony (of the spirit/father) regarding Jesus' true identity, talked about giving him the keys, as if abdicating his authority before "leaving town", not realizing when he (Jesus) said that not even the gates of hell would prevail against his church, that the key wasn't for that very gate (of hell), to lock and unlock. That might have been the error of Peter, and the church which formed in his name, that they went to the wrong gate, never realizing that it had already been crashed, such that what's resurrected isn't the new life and the new creation (absent hell or duality leading to separation, as a possibility), but a new "divided middle" with Jesus' cross afixed between it, dividing heaven and hell, which is only a subtle or not so suble replanting of the very tree of the knowledge of good and evil which Jesus came to uproot, as the tree of life and as the living water of the spirit of life.

Let there be no more confusion, and let all who thirst come and let all who hear say come and freely drink the living water of eternal life upwelling and flowing from the throne and the lamb of God, like a river through a cosmic city.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 07:58 PM
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There was another man named Peter, a Roman, and he was called Peter the Usurper. Link Constantine was the Roman Emperor and the one who called the Council of Nicea.

Peter never existed, he was an offshoot of Simon created in the minds of those who were present at the council. That's why the bible drops the 'Simon' from Peter's name. Peter is an offshoot of Simon the Zealot who coincidentally has a Roman counterpart.

Things that make you go hmmm...
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:00 PM
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Early 6th century. You really grasp at straws and throw these things out there without sufficient research. I almost get the sense that you're madly trying to rip the Bible to shreds but for a hidden agenda that you yourself are not even aware of (don't take that harshly).



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:09 PM
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So you ignore the obvious coincidence and chalk it up as fantasy? I'm not trying to rip the bible to shreds, I am just pointing out the corruption that is contained within it.

I get the sense that you are madly trying to defend the bible no matter what. I thought you had an open mind?

ETA: The first handwritten English translations of the bible didn't come until the 1300's, which is 700 years after Peter the Usurper lived. Also, handwritten bibles do not count as mass-produced versions either. To just dismiss the idea is ignorant.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:17 PM
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Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by windword
 


My whole quote, you took it out of context with that one snippet, I really wish you'd stop being a bit of a jerk..but I can forgive you.



Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
 

He probably got the wrong idea when Jesus, after Peter gave his testimony (of the spirit/father) regarding Jesus' true identity, talked about giving him the keys, as if abdicating his authority before "leaving town", not realizing when he (Jesus) said that not even the gates of hell would prevail against his church, that the key wasn't for that very gate (of hell), to lock and unlock. That might have been the error of Peter, and the church which formed in his name, that they went to the wrong gate, never realizing that it had already been crashed, such that what's resurrected isn't the new life and the new creation (absent hell or duality leading to separation, as a possibility), but a new "divided middle" with Jesus' cross afixed between it, dividing heaven and hell, which is only a subtle or not so suble replanting of the very tree of the knowledge of good and evil which Jesus came to uproot, as the tree of life and as the living water of the spirit of life.

Let there be no more confusion, and let all who thirst come and let all who hear say come and freely drink the living water of eternal life upwelling and flowing from the throne and the lamb of God, like a river through a cosmic city.




There you go again, pretending to be holy, all the while, finding ways to insult.

Your theory, of what Peter probably got wrong, doesn't help the fact that the church used Paul, and others, to assert the fallacy of doctrine.

Jesus is all but absent from Paul's writings, and, his "sun god" is inserted. Thus, the Christmas fallacy, which is what this thread is based on!



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by windword
Jesus is all but absent from Paul's writings, and, his "sun god" is inserted. Thus, the Christmas fallacy, which is what this thread is based on!

Oo-boy. A zeitgeist fan I take it?


Weren't you taken in by Scientology before, Wind? And now you're filled with new age dogma?

You don't make for a very convincing authority with a background like that.

If "we" believe in a fairytale, then what does that make any of "y'all's" out-there beliefs?

That's my point. Glass houses and all that rot, eh?

The OP believes we were created by Aliens/Gods. You believe you are God. Ummm-kay.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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God cannot look on sin, so how could Peter be one of Jesus' closest apostles when he taught stuff like that? Things that directly contradict Jesus' teachings.

I assume someone is committing a sin when they purposely alter what Jesus taught, right?


Because Jesus is the Word God spoke at the beginning of Creation? Jesus is his Voice, the Mouth of God.

Jeremiah 7:23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.’

His commands came from his VOICE. Whenever the prophets were giving prophecy they were hearing His VOICE. What did Jesus say? Lets take a closer look.

John 6:63 It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.

The voice of God came here in the flesh. This is how Jesus had the power to forgive sins even before his crucifixtion.

Matthew 4:4 But He answered and said, “It is written, ‘Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.’”


Deueronomy 8:19-20

19 Then it shall be, if you by any means forget the Lord your God, and follow other gods, and serve them and worship them, I testify against you this day that you shall surely perish. 20 As the nations which the Lord destroys before you, so you shall perish, because you would not be obedient to the voice of the Lord your God.

The greek word for Word is Logos, hebrew is Memra. The Targums get down even deeper into this. The Word of God is still God, it's his Voice. His Voice is his extension into this world and through all Creation.

Genesis 1:3-5

3 Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

So here we see the Voice of God creating. Everytime he spoke he created. His very words ring with Power. And his Voice manifested in the physical many times before he incarnated as Jesus.

The Voice of God is the Bread of Life.

John 6:47-58

47 Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me has everlasting life. 48 I am the bread of life. 49 Your fathers ate the manna in the wilderness, and are dead. 50 This is the bread which comes down from heaven, that one may eat of it and not die. 51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven. If anyone eats of this bread, he will live forever; and the bread that I shall give is My flesh, which I shall give for the life of the world.”

52 The Jews therefore quarreled among themselves, saying, “How can this Man give us His flesh to eat?”

53 Then Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. 54 Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. 55 For My flesh is food indeed, and My blood is drink indeed. 56 He who eats My flesh and drinks My blood abides in Me, and I in him. 57 As the living Father sent Me, and I live because of the Father, so he who feeds on Me will live because of Me. 58 This is the bread which came down from heaven—not as your fathers ate the manna, and are dead. He who eats this bread will live forever.”

If you want everlasting life you must consume the Word of God. Not as men consume.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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You know what Win the more attention I pay to your posts the more I'm beginning to see ( don't get to excited )
that the church itself is where our differences lay most of all. And as I've stated before many times. Organized religion is something I will listen to but I truly follow Christ on my own. But I can see your point I'm just not sure I have the education that would allow me to have a solid opinion. That's my honesty.

I will never not be a follower of the greatest person who ever lived.




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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:44 PM
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What does any of that have to do with Jesus letting evil into his group of apostles? Nothing you posted stated anything about Peter so you have refuted nothing. You saying Jesus could forgive sin before the crucifixion has no bearing either because we are talking about what Peter did after Jesus' death, not before.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:52 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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What does any of that have to do with Jesus letting evil into his group of apostles. Nothing you posted stated anything about Peter. You saying Jesus could forgive sin before the crucifixion has no bearing either because we are talking about what Peter did after Jesus' death.


I did answer you, you didn't understand what i was saying
. After Christ's crucifixtion he established the new covenant of Grace. The Grace covenant is for all those who choose to consume the Word of God, to take His Word into themselves. The blood covenant covered all sins of those who believe in Jesus. What Peter did after is of no consequence.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:53 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
But I can see your point I'm just not sure I have the education that would allow me to have a solid opinion. That's my honesty.


You see his/her point, but you don't consider it anyways? You don't need a PhD to understand the point, it is extremely simple. Not a dig on your intelligence, I just feel like you're being obtuse about it.




I will never not be a follower of the greatest person who ever lived.


Nobody is asking you to. Even I follow the teachings of Jesus, so why would I try to pull you away from him?



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 09:56 PM
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No, Peter established the new covenant of grace, aka the church. That is where you take the 'blood oath'. Peter is the one who corrupted Jesus' words. That means the new covenant of grace (church) and everything it teaches is corrupt.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:07 PM
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i'm sure my not being privy to a grand education is quite obvious light.
You were so close. If only would have said purposely obtuse. Anyway close enough have a cigar.


See how well this song relates when we see how all large organizations/corporations follow the buck.




posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:11 PM
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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No, Peter established the new covenant of grace, aka the church. That is where you take the 'blood oath'. Peter is the one who corrupted Jesus' words. That means the new covenant of grace (church) and everything it teaches is corrupt.
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Nope, you're wrong. The Church was established at the cross by Christ Himself as the Head. He is the Head, we are the Body. He is the Root, we are the grafted in Branches. For every jewish christian believer Saul persecuted, he was persecuting Jesus Himself. When Jesus appeared to Saul he said "Saul, why do you persecute ME?"

We don't take "blood oaths". The shedding of Christ's blood was prophecied all through the OT, fulfilled at the cross. All we do is believe in Him and accept the Word into ourselves, we take the Bread of Life into us.



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:12 PM
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So now you're laughing it off? So since you agree that it doesn't require a PhD, would you mind giving your opinion on it? Your were being purposely obtuse, right?



posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:13 PM
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That sounds like a churchy doctrine to me. It explains the traditions of the church perfectly actually. That is the doctrine, the lie, that Peter was spreading after the crucifixion. There is no need for a 'blood covenant', that is what the church teaches and it is not true.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:19 PM
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And now we watch you squirm.


Oh yes squirm'in all squirmilly all squirm'in all over.

People of this mentality are a site to behold. WTF is there to squirm about ? I mean really to assume such a thing speaks volumes to your own arrogance.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:31 PM
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Originally posted by randyvs
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And now we watch you squirm.


Oh yes squirm'in all squirmilly all squirm'in all over.

People of this mentality are a site to behold. WTF is there to squirm about ? I mean really to assume such a thing speaks volumes to your own arrogance.
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Sadly, it seems to show the purpose of this whole thread, which doesn't seem to be much of a "loving" theme at all.

I would be honored to escort you out of the thread..you are far too good of a man to engage in the prattle of those who wish to ridicule and dominate.
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posted on Aug, 19 2012 @ 10:32 PM
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So now you're laughing it off? So since you agree that it doesn't require a PhD, would you mind giving your opinion on it? Your were being purposely obtuse, right?


You're pulling a real Bozo trying to involve yourself aka. sticking your nose in. I already stated as I guess I friggen have to all el especial' for you light. That I don't feel I can render a meaningful response. So suck it up guy it's all you're gonna get. Say what ever BS you want to about that. PH friggen D or not.

Look I've admitted to not being schooled enough in the area. WTF else do you want from me.
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