With leaks like this, so much for not wanting to extradite Assange from Sweden...

The government shouldnt have any sort of program with the word "trap" in it... It isnt their job to spy on americans, or trap them... Thats a violation.. Looks like some video cameras are coming down.

Yea, this ia given and everyone complains about violence a d things of this sort. So now they are trying to control all the things you complain about.

Like what Druscilla, said, exactly.

I was talking to a friend last year about surveillance and being watched. She too felt it wasn't a big deal and a person shouldn't be doing anything wrong in public anyway.
I pointed out to her that an example of "being watched" could be the monitoring of your automobile's GPS location and speed. What if a time comes whenever your speed of travel exceeds the posted limit by at least 5mph (8kph) a ticket is automatically generated and mailed to you. She didn't like that idea at all!

Well, god forbid the government or those in control of the infrastructure go "rogue" or decide to start doing what THEY want to do instead of what the people want...The whole system invites them to do this because really, the people have no power to hold them accountable anymore.

If the government goes rogue while having a public surveillance infrastructure at their disposal...good luck resisting that, they will catch you before you even get anything started. Public surveillance is an integral part of continuity of a corrupt government.

Originally posted by Dogmire


I was talking to a friend last year about surveillance and being watched. She too felt it wasn't a big deal and a person shouldn't be doing anything wrong in public anyway.
I pointed out to her that an example of "being watched" could be the monitoring of your automobile's GPS location and speed. What if a time comes whenever your speed of travel exceeds the posted limit by at least 5mph (8kph) a ticket is automatically generated and mailed to you. She didn't like that idea at all!

The funny thing about this is, practically everyone has phones, and practically everyone that has such phones have phones with GPS, yet, for some reason, they want to throw a wall-eyed fit when it comes to so called "privacy" issues with simple cameras posted in PUBLIC places, even though they voluntarily of their own free will carry a cell phone with GPS, and they even carry that cell phone with GPS with them inside their home.

Additionally, that very same cell phone can be TURNED ON remotely to listen to everything you say and everything around you, and if it has a camera, the camera can also be used and hijacked by any agency to see what can be seen through said camera.

Oh, but, it's entirely okay to willingly and voluntarily carry around something that could be used as a government listening device, used to tell all your personal secrets to everyone in any and every government agency that wants to listen in, or check your web browsing activity, or capture your chat logs, yeah, because certainly something so powerful as a personal computer that holds all your private information and knows where you are at all times is much much much much safer and better and convenient because it's a cool and nifty gadget that you can play angry birds on.

Everyone gets all up in arms throwing total wall-eyed foaming at the mouth conniption fits over cameras IN PUBLIC when they carry around a device that any and every government agency can use much more effectively to spy on them at ALL TIMES, even in their home, anywhere and everywhere they go and take the phone with them, and they willingly take the phone with them without complaint.

Further, if anyone tried to take their precious personal government spy device away from them, they'd throw another fit because they would be robbed of the convenience of the interwebs, and their social networks, and angry birds, and texting, and twitter, and whatever else they use their personal government agency spy device for.

Think about it.
Cameras in PUBLIC?
Big deal. Who cares. It's not news. Get over it. Quit being a big butt-hurt baby over it.

Personal Government agency spy device in your pocket, capable of watching and listening to you at all times?
Hmmm, if you're really all that bent out of shape about privacy while you're in PUBLIC, you might want to think about leaving your phone somewhere or just getting rid of it all together.

Originally posted by Kino321
if youre not doing anything wrong, whats the problem?

cctv is doing alot more to keep you safe than anything else

What an ignorant, childish notion ...

Who do you think you are, prince William ... you think anyone is creating such surveillance, to keep YOU safe? if thatäs what you think, then you should be put in a zoo, with the other animals.

No one, is spending their money to keep YOU safe ... they're doing it, to keep themselves safe ... from YOU. It's a pre-emptive measure, against YOU. So prince william can be safe ... so, GWB, can be safe. safe, from YOU.

The police isn't there, to keep YOU safe. They're not there to guard you. If you call them, they're more likely to charge you with bothering them, than help you. It's because, their job is not to keep you safe. Their job is to keep the officials safe, from YOU. To make sure you stay in line ... do as your told.

But, of course, you aren't going to do anything bad, so it's ok. right? Are you sure, what YOU think is bad, and what others think is bad, is equivalent? What about the black south african student, who was shot for reaching for his wallet ... with 35 shots. Was he a bad guy? doing bad things? What about the homeless, the unemployed ... are they bad men, doing bad things? Is it a crime, that nobody wants to give you work?

If all you can think of, is "Im not gonna do bad things, its ok" ... then the answer to it is, YES YOU ARE DOING BAD THINGS. Your ignorance and stupidity, is the source of the powers that TPTB are using.

Originally posted by Kino321
if youre not doing anything wrong, whats the problem?

cctv is doing alot more to keep you safe than anything else

Those who choose safety over freedom, deserve nether.

It's as simple as that.