Screw 300 million years old! Who built it?

Originally posted by Consequence

Originally posted by cerebralassassins
but rather is renowned figure within the ufo community

It fascinates me how that is supposed to be a good thing.
Anyway, the most "serious" people in the UFO community are those who take strange observations seriously and find out what it is. Usually they do dig out an explanation that is very natural. In rare cases they do not, and they also can't tell that it is fake. That in itself does not mean anything either. It does not mean that the observation has something to do with aliens.

Second - have you completely ignored the content in your own thread? We know what it is.
Again, if this was taken up by a "UFO specialist", that "UFO specialist", if serious, would also know what that is by now.

Don't be ignorant (look at the logo of this site and read it).

Now that is funny, A decade or two ago, they once branded me as childish and ignorant and that i should get with the program. Decades later, my ignorance earns me what others earn over five years, why am i mentioning this, well simply because back then i was given a set of rules and guidelines and all the conclusive information. But i said no, there must be another way. Guess what, there was another way.

Peace.

reply to post by XaniMatriX

Those are fakes, the swords and coins, they are fakes. If they were to be built out of stone, i would have believed you, but those are not real, the ones that do last have been passed from generation to generation and were very carefully taken care of.

Once again you are completely wrong. You are batting 1000 when it comes to mistakes.

The coin link you sent me i cannot even read the full article cause it doesn't work, but that means they would have had to dig half a human height into the ground to find a coin in that condition after 2000 to 3k + years? cmon, you dont believe in that 300 million year old screw but this coin, oh man this is the one eh?

A very poor argument is to compare an obvious hoax to an actual find. Keep dreaming.

The last link you provided says nothing about metal, they found some axes but it prob has nothing to do with the natives,it even says there they used stones, wood, and marine conch us their main material for tools, seriously man, i dont buy into this bs. and stop posting wiki links.

The article does mention metal. So you are wrong - AGAIN!

And those "startling statistics" you posted.

So you cherry picked a few and skipped over the 1 million year number at the top. Shameful cherry picking. You fail - AGAIN!

so yeah, if we were looking at a civilization 10 000+ years, yeah i think that stuff will be way gone before its time.

A farcical comment in the face of overwhelming evidence against your stance.

Make stuff up? no, its stuff i saw, and what i experienced, your giving me links to other stuff people made up and you eat their info b/c they gots a diploma.

If this is your claim then you need to get out more and experience more, because your limited experiences and the limited "stuff" you saw is rather lacking isn't it?

Golden ratio, not many cultures have been found but the ones that are dated past 10 000 years, ALL OF THEM USE GOLDEN RATIO!!!

Please supply the evidence. I say you are stating an outright lie.

If im guessing, how do u know that im doing bad, if every info you provide is of people taking guesses, the only difference is i dont publish, if i did, you might actually take into consideration right?

Your position is to make up lies that are so obviously lies it is simply laughable.

reply to post by cerebralassassins


This is in the hoax bin because the evidence is clearly that it is a hoax.

So now you want to avoid t he evidence and rely on an unnamed person to suggest that it is not a hoax? Stick with the evidence, not the people.

reply to post by stereologist


So instead of taking it into account, you marked everything as BS before this thread even started.

The one million mark for the glass bottle is a lie, the bottle was not fractured and then tested, once glass is fractured its done for, and like i said, if it is a thousand year old civilization, and there are no beings left to take care of their structure, natural powers will destroy glass,metal and plastics, the statistics you gave me actually proved me right, and you are the one that picked out the glass bottle and based your statements on that one particular object.

Get out more? wow man, i thought you would at least try and have a civilized conversation with me, but instead of providing your OWN oppinion on the subject you instead post links that could actually be a hoax them selfs, and i know those swords are fake cause i had an old sword from old russian wars, and it was in a good condition untill i left it out for a year outside, A year, and only a year and the blade it self was falling apart.

If life experience is not enough and is to be considered "lacking" then it is not me whos in fantasy land. And lying? seriously that is one serious claim to make towards someone, i dont post my ideas and theories as fact, clearly sated ( I, me, myself) believes in the things i have seen.

The fact that you take my "lies" personnal, means you are un able to think for your self when it comes to recieving information over someone elses shoulder, and think about it critically. Thus you have started to attack me only b/c your knowledge is limited to the training you recieved in school. So please refrain from having bs responses that squares usually do, lie this and lie that. that last post was so unproductive, i proved you wrong on the plastic and your still beeting that same old drum.

Now back on topic, that screw is not a hoax, there are parts of Siberia you can find ancient artifacts all over the land if you dig for it. I have been to these places my self, i did not dig for it since back then i did not care for it.

The only reason these things dont go public, is b/c it is Siberia, no one there cares unless you brought back something valuable (gold) ect.

reply to post by XaniMatriX


How is it not a hoax just because you claim there is uncited evidence elsewhere? Even if you had evidence, it could still be a hoax.

reply to post by XaniMatriX

So instead of taking it into account, you marked everything as BS before this thread even started.

Yet another mistake on your part.

The one million mark for the glass bottle is a lie, the bottle was not fractured and then tested, once glass is fractured its done for, and like i said, if it is a thousand year old civilization, and there are no beings left to take care of their structure, natural powers will destroy glass,metal and plastics, the statistics you gave me actually proved me right, and you are the one that picked out the glass bottle and based your statements on that one particular object.

It's not a lie. You are just plain wrong. You are also wrong to claim that fracturing glass makes it "done for." The numbers were not statistics either. The numbers show that your 100 year claim is foolishly wrong.

and i know those swords are fake cause i had an old sword from old russian wars, and it was in a good condition untill i left it out for a year outside, A year, and only a year and the blade it self was falling apart.

Personally, I do not believe this story of yours. I believe you just make up stories. You are not very good at it either. The swords in question are not fakes. You made up a story which has no bearing on the issue. The real problem is that you do not understand that your story has no bearing on the issue.

The fact that you take my "lies" personnal, means you are un able to think for your self when it comes to recieving information over someone elses shoulder, and think about it critically. Thus you have started to attack me only b/c your knowledge is limited to the training you recieved in school. So please refrain from having bs responses that squares usually do, lie this and lie that. that last post was so unproductive, i proved you wrong on the plastic and your still beeting that same old drum.

You are wrong again.

Now back on topic, that screw is not a hoax, there are parts of Siberia you can find ancient artifacts all over the land if you dig for it. I have been to these places my self, i did not dig for it since back then i did not care for it.

The crinoid was not from Siberia.

The only reason these things dont go public, is b/c it is Siberia, no one there cares unless you brought back something valuable (gold) ect.

Read the article and learn why this is not a crinoid from Siberia.

www.msnbc.msn.com... amsncomfalsepfalsefalsebattle-bags-interactivebattle-bags-interactive/#.UCpR96Bot8E

As litter, a plastic bag’s life expectancy is far greater than a human’s — 1,000 years or more.

So how long do items last in the ocean, which is a churning body that is chemically active and mechanically grinds as well?
scienceray.com...

The average life span of plastic demijohn is from 400 to 600 hundred years.
The average life span of plastic bottle is from 300 to 500 hundred years.
The plastic bags have a life span of 30 to 60 years.
The plastic rings, which hold pop cans together, have a life span of 450 years.

The point is simple. There was no advanced civilization 10,000 years ago because if there had been we'd have found something left over. There are laughable fairy tales about objects disappearing in 100 years. Those making up such silly tales are clearly closed minded to the evidence.

I never said its from Siberia, i said you can find similar artifacts in the forest of Siberia.

And the sword, that story IS true, wish i had kept the sword but who keeps old rusted metal laying around?
Also i said 100+ years, im done with you man, all i did was try and put in my own oppinion on the matter, from my experience and my own education.

Now if you keep posting other peoples lies as your own, then you have no buisness here on ATS.

reply to post by XaniMatriX

I never said its from Siberia, i said you can find similar artifacts in the forest of Siberia.

And the sword, that story IS true, wish i had kept the sword but who keeps old rusted metal laying around?
Also i said 100+ years, im done with you man, all i did was try and put in my own oppinion on the matter, from my experience and my own education.

Now if you keep posting other peoples lies as your own, then you have no buisness here on ATS.

Here is what you wrote

Now back on topic, that screw is not a hoax, there are parts of Siberia you can find ancient artifacts all over the land if you dig for it. I have been to these places my self, i did not dig for it since back then i did not care for it.

The only reason these things dont go public, is b/c it is Siberia, no one there cares unless you brought back something valuable (gold) ect.

That simply means that this was an off topic comment of no value. The object in the photo is a crinoid. It is not a crinoid from Siberia. Whether or not you can find non-crinoids in Siberia is meaningless and off topic.

I don't really care whether or not you claim your sword story is true. As I stated before I do not believe you. Besides it does not matter. Just because you claim that something weathered in a short time has no bearing on the existence of swords from antiquity. It is a completely illogical inference to assume that your made up event has any relationship to other events.

Your opinion is just that, an opinion. It has been shown to be very wrong time and time and time again. You might consider figuring out why you've made so many mistakes and try to correct the problem. It is a positive step to do that.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by XaniMatriX

 

I never said its from Siberia, i said you can find similar artifacts in the forest of Siberia.

And the sword, that story IS true, wish i had kept the sword but who keeps old rusted metal laying around?
Also i said 100+ years, im done with you man, all i did was try and put in my own oppinion on the matter, from my experience and my own education.

Now if you keep posting other peoples lies as your own, then you have no buisness here on ATS.

Here is what you wrote

Now back on topic, that screw is not a hoax, there are parts of Siberia you can find ancient artifacts all over the land if you dig for it. I have been to these places my self, i did not dig for it since back then i did not care for it.

The only reason these things dont go public, is b/c it is Siberia, no one there cares unless you brought back something valuable (gold) ect.

That simply means that this was an off topic comment of no value. The object in the photo is a crinoid. It is not a crinoid from Siberia. Whether or not you can find non-crinoids in Siberia is meaningless and off topic.

I don't really care whether or not you claim your sword story is true. As I stated before I do not believe you. Besides it does not matter. Just because you claim that something weathered in a short time has no bearing on the existence of swords from antiquity. It is a completely illogical inference to assume that your made up event has any relationship to other events.

Your opinion is just that, an opinion. It has been shown to be very wrong time and time and time again. You might consider figuring out why you've made so many mistakes and try to correct the problem. It is a positive step to do that.

There are no mistakes in life, just situations. And again thanks for proving me that i never said that OP's screw was from Siberia, b/c then i would have said, "that screw came from Siberia and i know where".

Well the whole point of the sword is, i take personnal experience into account more then some one elses words over a computer screen, so if i my self, have seen what happens to a glass bottle in 10 years, and what happens to metal in 1 year, then it is absolutlely no mistake to make an educated guess about the world i live in, instead of taking what others said as fact, i speculate, unlike someone here ats.

Back on topic, that screw came from an ancient civilization 10k + years ago, and in siberia, you can find similar items with the same shape, but made out of a metal not knows to man. And that is MY oppinion Stereologist, which is plenty enough for me.

reply to post by XaniMatriX

There are no mistakes in life, just situations. And again thanks for proving me that i never said that OP's screw was from Siberia, b/c then i would have said, "that screw came from Siberia and i know where".

Excuses, excuses. Face it you were wrong almost 100% of the time. The Siberia comments were off topic and pointless.

Well the whole point of the sword is, i take personnal experience into account more then some one elses words over a computer screen, so if i my self, have seen what happens to a glass bottle in 10 years, and what happens to metal in 1 year, then it is absolutlely no mistake to make an educated guess about the world i live in, instead of taking what others said as fact, i speculate, unlike someone here ats.

I have already stated twice and I will state it a third time, I do not believe you. I am certainly not believing someone foolish enough to claim that European swords thousands of years old recovered by many people in many places are lying. My opinion is that you cannot be trusted.

Back on topic, that screw came from an ancient civilization 10k + years ago, and in siberia, you can find similar items with the same shape, but made out of a metal not knows to man. And that is MY oppinion Stereologist, which is plenty enough for me.

Once again you are completely wrong. There was no ancient civilization 10k+ years ago. Not a single piece of evidence for one. Nothing at all.

The object is a crinoid. If you had not noticed this thread has been dumped in the hoax bin because the story is a hoax.

Originally posted by stereologist
reply to post by XaniMatriX

 

There are no mistakes in life, just situations. And again thanks for proving me that i never said that OP's screw was from Siberia, b/c then i would have said, "that screw came from Siberia and i know where".

Excuses, excuses. Face it you were wrong almost 100% of the time. The Siberia comments were off topic and pointless.

Well the whole point of the sword is, i take personnal experience into account more then some one elses words over a computer screen, so if i my self, have seen what happens to a glass bottle in 10 years, and what happens to metal in 1 year, then it is absolutlely no mistake to make an educated guess about the world i live in, instead of taking what others said as fact, i speculate, unlike someone here ats.

I have already stated twice and I will state it a third time, I do not believe you. I am certainly not believing someone foolish enough to claim that European swords thousands of years old recovered by many people in many places are lying. My opinion is that you cannot be trusted.

Back on topic, that screw came from an ancient civilization 10k + years ago, and in siberia, you can find similar items with the same shape, but made out of a metal not knows to man. And that is MY oppinion Stereologist, which is plenty enough for me.

Once again you are completely wrong. There was no ancient civilization 10k+ years ago. Not a single piece of evidence for one. Nothing at all.

The object is a crinoid. If you had not noticed this thread has been dumped in the hoax bin because the story is a hoax.

then wtf are you still doing replying to my post? i never asked you to believe me or force it on you, just because you lack personnal experience out in the world doesnt mean its all bs. And now all u can do is claim i am a liar? that has nothing to do with anything.

And just try this for me please, please i ask you this one last thing, just try this...

Prove that there is no ancient civilization 10 thousand plus years ago, i mean prove it to me, dont tell me what a teacher would say, i want 100% proof that that screw is a HOAX and that there is no such thing as an advanced anciet civilization?

If you cannot do that, then there is a good chance that there was one.

Originally posted by XaniMatriX

Prove that there is no ancient civilization 10 thousand plus years ago, i mean prove it to me, dont tell me what a teacher would say, i want 100% proof that that screw is a HOAX and that there is no such thing as an advanced anciet civilization?

If you cannot do that, then there is a good chance that there was one.

Ah, you have this around the wrong way.
You are the one making extraordinary claims, thus the onus is on you to provide the evidence.

With all the pictures of crinoids that have been posted,surely you would have used your eyes and *cough* critical thinking and conceded that it is,indeed,a crinoid?

reply to post by CaptChaos


You do realize, of course... that MOST rocks are millions of years old... right?

reply to post by XaniMatriX

then wtf are you still doing replying to my post? i never asked you to believe me or force it on you, just because you lack personnal experience out in the world doesnt mean its all bs. And now all u can do is claim i am a liar? that has nothing to do with anything.

I stated that I did not believe you.

I probably have way more experience in these areas than you, but that does not matter at all. The issue is that you have nothing to bring to the table other than anecdotal evidence and you reject outright anything that does not overlap with your very limited personal experience.

Do materials last for a long time. The world says yes. You say no. Who is to be believed? Certainly not you.

And just try this for me please, please i ask you this one last thing, just try this...

Prove that there is no ancient civilization 10 thousand plus years ago, i mean prove it to me, dont tell me what a teacher would say, i want 100% proof that that screw is a HOAX and that there is no such thing as an advanced anciet civilization?

First off learn the difference between evidence and proof. They are very different. I don't ask for proof from people I ask for the less stringent requirement of evidence.

Two the onus is on those making claims. In this case you have claimed the existence of such a civilization. The burden is on you to provide evidence. I asked you for evidence and all you could do is state that it all vanished because things do not last long. Your claim of advanced civilization requires your evidence. I do not need to show it does not exist. I showed that materials last for a very long time while you claim some silly story of an instance of a metal object speedily corroding and a broken bottle doing whatever. Both laughable comments of no importance.

The fact is that there is plenty of evidence of previous cultures. None of that includes anything advanced. No plastics, ceramics, glass, metals, or anything supporting the notion of a once advanced culture.

That is not a screw. It does not look like a screw except to those that cannot check for threading. This is a hoax and you fell for it. That fits in with the rest of the posts you've made.

If you cannot do that, then there is a good chance that there was one.

Do you understand how silly this comment is? This is as nitwit a comment as stating that if you cannot prove 100% that there is no giant heffalump in my garage then there is a good chance that there is one. This is an ridiculous a comment as stating that if you cannot 100% prove that a giant reptile is not sleeping in Hudson Bay then there is a good chance that there is one.

Do you understand how wacky your inferences are?

Originally posted by cerebralassassins

Now that is funny, A decade or two ago, they once branded me as childish and ignorant and that i should get with the program.

Well, then thankfully for me, it seems like I wasn't off.

Decades later, my ignorance earns me what others earn over five years.

What exactly would that be, do you mean? Education?
Because one of the things taught is research methodology. Clearly that seems to be lacking still as you are refusing to look at the data. So, at least on that part, you do not have "earnt" it, even if you've been given decades.

why am i mentioning this, well simply because back then i was given a set of rules and guidelines and all the conclusive information. But i said no, there must be another way. Guess what, there was another way.

Well of course there is. There is way to ignorance.
But of course there are ways to knowledge even without an education, but that requires not being ignorant.

Peace.

Did I miss the part where this went off topic?

Also, I want to know how they noticed the screw, did they find it like the picture? Did they dig around the screw, but not pull it out?
Where is the follow up on this story, where can I chase it up?

Your on a conspiracy theory website, and i believe there is a Conspiracy towards hiding Ancient knowledge about an advanced race, The chinese pyramids are being gaurded by the Military, how come now one can enter them or even come close? How come there are pyramids built all over the world all along the equater? How come if we are so Advanced we cannot replicate most ancient structures? (b/c we dont have the technology that they did)

those questions are directed at you, you are so damn sure no such thing exsisted then that is for you to prove, since it is your claim not mine. And lets just say im gonna be a square and believe what "proffesionals" say about materials, lets just say that those bs statistics are right, What do you think would happen to those things, if people destroyed them? (Alexander the great built library's and they were told to contain very old scriptures talking about the ancients and so forth) they were all destroyed by humans, why?

There is blatant evidence of someone tampering with our history and not telling us the full scope of things, just like UFO's and Free energy, vechiles that run on air/water, alot of things are opressed now a days, and you sitting here on a conspiracy website, and all you can do is listen to the people, that prob get paid to tell lies.

You know what i dont do that you do? I dont take other peoples words, and then speak those words as if they are mine, and tell them as fact.

This still going? Another member clearly pointed out that it was a crinoid on page 1. Time to let go

reply to post by XaniMatriX

Your on a conspiracy theory website, and i believe there is a Conspiracy towards hiding Ancient knowledge about an advanced race, The chinese pyramids are being gaurded by the Military, how come now one can enter them or even come close? How come there are pyramids built all over the world all along the equater? How come if we are so Advanced we cannot replicate most ancient structures? (b/c we dont have the technology that they did)

The ancient pyramids are not on the equator. They are in warmer areas of the world for the most part just as most people live there. Can we replicate these ancient structures today. Obviously we can. For you to say the we cannot is a bald faced lie.

those questions are directed at you, you are so damn sure no such thing exsisted then that is for you to prove, since it is your claim not mine.

It is your nonsense claim that the ancient advanced civilization existed so show us the evidence and stop the whining.

And lets just say im gonna be a square and believe what "proffesionals" say about materials, lets just say that those bs statistics are right, What do you think would happen to those things, if people destroyed them? (Alexander the great built library's and they were told to contain very old scriptures talking about the ancients and so forth) they were all destroyed by humans, why?

I certainly don't believe your silly claims about the short term durability of materials.

How do we know the place existed? How do we know about Alexander? How do we know exactly where he went? Because it was recorded and those places can be located because of the materials left behind that verify the places.

There is blatant evidence of someone tampering with our history and not telling us the full scope of things, just like UFO's and Free energy, vechiles that run on air/water, alot of things are opressed now a days, and you sitting here on a conspiracy website, and all you can do is listen to the people, that prob get paid to tell lies.

There is blatant evidence of this? Like this crinoid, which some hoaxer has falsely labeled as a bolt? You sure believe in a lot of malarkey. It seems that you are willing to put faith into something without question if it questions authority.

You know what i dont do that you do? I dont take other peoples words, and then speak those words as if they are mine, and tell them as fact.

You know what I don't do that you do? I don't pretend that I have learned things all by myself. I don't pretend to understand material corrosion rates from my own experiences. I don't pretend to understand history from my own experiences. I don't accept ridiculous ideas simply because they are counter authority.

You have shown nothing to support that this is anything other than a hoax.
You have now shown any evidence in support of an advanced ancient civilization from 10,000 years ago.

What you have shown is that you do repeat comments are hoax sites. Comments about free energy and ancient advanced civilizations are not from your experience. They are comments from hoax sites which you repeat and repost as though they are facts. They are not. Open your mind to the evidence. Don't be so close minded. Check the claims of these bogus places.