Romney to tap Ryan as vice presidential running mate: source, page 4


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reply posted on 11-8-2012 @ 09:53 AM by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by VaterOrlaag
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Do you care to tell me what happens after that?

I predict utter failure for this Romney/Ryan ticket. Failure on the level of John Kerry. Failure on the level of John McCain.

We shall see.


President Mitt Romney will need to pick a great Chairman of the Federal Reserve.

I recommend James Grant. He said he would open a new office at the Federal Reserve.

-- The Office of Unintended Consequences --

QE- 1 , QE - 2 .........


reply posted on 11-8-2012 @ 10:02 AM by longlostbrother
Originally posted by FlyersFan
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Bill Clinton balanced the budget and did a good job financially for this country. Most Americans didn't like how he got us there (like his military cuts) but it was necessary to go there in order to save our financial system Paul Ryans plan isn't going to please many people and there are things I dont' like in it but it is necessary in order to save the financial system from a complete breakdown.

Side Note - Ayn Rand's Atlas Shrugged was excellent reading and she made some very good points. Have you actually read the book or are you just having a knee-jerk reaction to the fact that she exposed looters and leeches for what they are??



Of course I read the book... It's not good, it's delusional.

She was rightly (no pun intended) lambasted by pretty much every one for decades, until the businessmen on the right realised they had a scapegoat for they're insane dystopian vision, if only people would take objectivism seriously... that only took a few decades.

Now we have someone idiotic enough to actually think that Rand's hellscape is a proper vision for America. IT's just disgusting.


reply posted on 11-8-2012 @ 10:14 AM by Dreamwatcher
Originally posted by babybunnies
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post by Eurisko2012



Sorry, but the days of retiring at 65 are long gone, at least for my generation. 65 was instituted with social security in the 1930's in most instances, when most people died before they were 70. Now, people are on social security for 30 years or more, and actively healthy way into their late 70's.

I'm only 43 (today !), but I feel that by the time I retire it won't be until I'm 75 or 80. It's no wonder social security is going broke, when we expect people to work from the time their 22/23 (allowing for time in University) until their 65, pay a very small percentage into social security, then claim it for potentially the next 30 - 40 years at full rate. It simply doesn't make sense any more.


I normally let this slide, because I have already stated it and honestly I feel it will fall on deaf ears.

But, the hell with it, the FICA lesson for today:

FICA is 12.4% (You pay 6.2% and your employer pays 6.2%. If you are self employed, you pay the whole 12.4%)

Lets say one makes $40,000 a year for 42 years (start at 23 end at 65). For simplicity, no raises, bonuses etc.

12.4% @ 40,000 = $4960 per year * 42 years = $208,320

Now the government "borrows" this money with interest (although I doubt they will ever pay it back), so lets add yearly compounded interest at a conservative 3%.

$419,040.11 is that " very small percentage into social security" you mentioned.

The real reason SS is going broke is the the US government has not paid back one dime on the money they "borrowed" from SS, which just happens to be all the surplus collected over what they pay out in benefits.
Now the Feds are talking about cutting or stopping SS, and it has nothing to do with its costs as it has been in surplus since inception and continues to this day.
The debt is coming due as the ratio reverses (baby boom retirements), and they do not want to pay.

Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine when people think that they contribute so little to SS and shortchange themselves, while the Federal government tries to make their debt to the American people disappear with a simple slight of hand trick.
edit on 11-8-2012 by Dreamwatcher because: Spelling



reply posted on 11-8-2012 @ 10:18 AM by Eurisko2012
Originally posted by Dreamwatcher
Originally posted by babybunnies
reply to
post by Eurisko2012



Sorry, but the days of retiring at 65 are long gone, at least for my generation. 65 was instituted with social security in the 1930's in most instances, when most people died before they were 70. Now, people are on social security for 30 years or more, and actively healthy way into their late 70's.

I'm only 43 (today !), but I feel that by the time I retire it won't be until I'm 75 or 80. It's no wonder social security is going broke, when we expect people to work from the time their 22/23 (allowing for time in University) until their 65, pay a very small percentage into social security, then claim it for potentially the next 30 - 40 years at full rate. It simply doesn't make sense any more.


I normally let this slide, because I have already stated it and honestly I feel it will fall on deaf ears.

But, the hell with it, the FICA lesson for today:

FICA is 12.4% (You pay 6.2% and your employer pays 6.2%. If you are self employed, you pay the whole 12.4%)

Lets say one makes $40,000 a year for 42 years (start at 23 end at 65). For simplicity, no raises, bonuses etc.

12.4% @ 40,000 = $4960 per year * 42 years = $208,320

Now the government "borrows" this money with interest (although I doubt they will ever pay it back), so lets add yearly compounded interest at a conservative 3%.

$419,040.11 is that " very small percentage into social security" you mentioned.

The real reason SS is going broke is the the US government has not paid back one dime on the money they "borrowed" from SS, which just happens to be all the surplus collected over what they pay out in benefits.
Now the Feds are talking about cutting or stopping SS, and it has nothing to do with its costs as it has been in surplus since inception and continues to this day.
The debt is coming due as the ratio reverses (baby boom retirements), and they do not want to pay.

Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine when people think that they contribute so little to SS and shortchange themselves, while the Federal government tries to make their debt to the American people disappear with a simple slight of hand trick.
edit on 11-8-2012 by Dreamwatcher because: Spelling


Outstanding post !

A few more posts like that and the truth shall set us free from the Obama nightmare.

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-- Romney / Ryan 2012 --


reply posted on 11-8-2012 @ 10:32 AM by ugie1028
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Romney/Ryan will only slow down our inevitable fall of said cliff....



Its like choosing a painful agonizing death over something quick and painless.

I choose neither... Id rather keep living on instead of doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
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reply posted on 11-8-2012 @ 12:48 PM by Eurisko2012
reply to post by AngryCymraeg



The current MediCare system is a mess.

Some doctors won't even accept MediCare patients. They lose money.

Don't you think we should do something about that?

The current system is filled with waste,fraud & abuse.

Should we just go along and pretend that it's not?


reply posted on 11-8-2012 @ 12:51 PM by AngryCymraeg
Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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post by AngryCymraeg



The current MediCare system is a mess.

Some doctors won't even accept MediCare patients. They lose money.

Don't you think we should do something about that?

The current system is filled with waste,fraud & abuse.

Should we just go along and pretend that it's not?


Shouldn't older people just get access to healthcare they can afford? And the disabled?


reply posted on 11-8-2012 @ 12:54 PM by neo96
reply to post by thisguyrighthere



Rubio made more sense Romney just handed Obama 4 more

This country is damned.,
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