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Could we birth life into Mars?

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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:21 PM
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Why don't they send up a smaller version of those bore machines. Dig holes all over the place, seal up, put oxegen in, fix it up so that it can be used as a station with the nessesities inside to be a maintenance hole that provides the tools,gear to make and sustain other environmental holes. All the personel who are qualified to make other living quarters/area's. Somehow send up the hole diggers engineers,welders,construction workers,medical persons,and a crew of general workers. Put plants,water, all over the place in the domes and only have enough people there so that a system can sustain,maintain life there. Then maybe the people there can get scientist to work up there in the domes to see if they can reboot mars somehow. To keep in mind what the effects of mars gravity would do to the human body. Quite the task i'd say. I think we need a very large spaceship to carry all the stuff. Now that i think about it, it would be cheaper to make a spinning space station that has the same gravity as earth in space and it would be much,much more closer. Maybe a spinning space station that is about 2 miles in diameter and maybe a quarter mile wide and about ten to fifteen stories high. It would be much more cost effective and closer to do this than birth life into mars, unless we found some new tech to restart the core of the planet. Maybe some kind of new plant that could live up there.




posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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What a stupid idea at this time in our economy. We simply can't afford basic things these days, and you expect us to have any decent shot of terraforming Mars? We need to focus on dealing with problems that actually matter on this planet like the energy crisis, the overpopulation problem, and so many others. We should be focusing efforts on how we can build cities on the oceans and pave the way for renewable and efficient energy resources.

If there are resources to extract, the private sector will pursue it. However, don't expect vacationing to a Mars hotel any time soon as the technology will probably not exist for another 1000 years.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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Yeah that is a very interesting possibility; if mars was inhabited by intelligent life, perhaps they came to Earth to escape a dying planet thousands of years ago. Considering so much of our ancient history is either unknown or suppressed, it could be possible. We still don't know how some ancient landmarks, like the pyramids in Giza, were constructed by people with what we understand to be primitive technology.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:30 PM
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Wouldn't you think a base on the moon to launch your terra forming project would be a first step.

We don't even have a base on the moon after 40 years. What does that tell ya?



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:42 PM
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if we stop worrying about numbers on paper we can do it.

We`ve already got the tech .......... they own all the oil .......... what`s stopping them ? oh yeah , they`re still tricking you with money , forcing you to think about bulltish excuses to not do something and filling your life with stress ....... that .... on top of living an eyelash away from a massive sun filling your body with sh** every day , and the force of gravity killing you over time . Who would think about doing such a thing as moving away from this sh** tip and living on mars , where humans would probably live an average of 150+ years without wrinkles and failing organs and what not


I for one would LOVE mars ......... "i`m just taking the dog for a float"



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:50 PM
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Originally posted by RockLobster



if we stop worrying about numbers on paper we can do it.

We`ve already got the tech .......... they own all the oil .......... what`s stopping them ? oh yeah , they`re still tricking you with money , forcing you to think about bulltish excuses to not do something and filling your life with stress ....... that .... on top of living an eyelash away from a massive sun filling your body with sh** every day , and the force of gravity killing you over time . Who would think about doing such a thing as moving away from this sh** tip and living on mars , where humans would probably live an average of 150+ years without wrinkles and failing organs and what not


I for one would LOVE mars ......... "i`m just taking the dog for a float"


That's great and all, but unfortunately, nothing you say is backed by modern science and engineering. If the tech was available, private industry would already be well into mining the almost limitless resources of asteroids and we would likely not have to rely on dead plants to be powering our civilization.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:58 PM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
Considering Mars has a climate similar to that of Earth which could possibly sustain life, would it be possible for us to turn it into a fertile planet?

Could we perhaps create a biodome on Mars which could sustain vegetation from Earth and slowly introduce life to the barren planet? Perhaps we could genetically modify some plants and organisms to survive harsher climates such as those on Mars.

If possible, this may be one solution to overpopulation of people on Earth; we could turn mars into another Earth for people to populate.


the easiest, and nearest technology wise solution would be to dome over a crater. it can be pressurized and then the martian soil can be conditioned to be able to grow food and biomass for breatheable air and CO2 capture. a dome is superior to terraforming in that it can be done relatively quickly and so long as the materials are strong can withstand micrometeorites and filter some uv and whatever cosmic radiation you want, it's simply a matter of materials science.


long term terraforming isn't impossible, it would just take some infrastructure and a lot of time and money. atmosphere protects from much of cosmic radiation. of course terraforming of mars would be a continual process because of the lower gravity and no dynamo atmosphere would constantly need to be generated, but after a certain thresh hold it would be a small thing to keep going.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:58 PM
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Please explain to me what this has to do with our economy, lol. If anything, we could trim a few hundred billion dollars off of our ridiculous defense budget and put that towards a project not dedicated to killing people.

Our species is nearing the point of transition from a type 0 to a type 1 civilization; if we fail in doing so, we will doom ourselves.

We have reached a point with our technology and understanding of the universe where we can begin to liberate ourselves from our dependence on our planet's resources, as we continue to progress we will begin to find that the economy, as we know it, will fail us. Why? Because there will not be enough jobs; labor jobs can easily be operated by machines, for no pay, leaving only service jobs. Obviously not every person can have a service-type job, meaning many people will find themselves out of work and unable to maintain a steady income

When this goes into effect at full swing, we will have to adopt new economic policies and perhaps leave the concept of money behind entirely. Consumerism is inherently flawed; if people are unable to consume, businesses fail and markets collapse. This means the death of capitalism and perhaps the dawn of a new economic system similar to Marxism or socialism. The government can't keep printing money like it's paper and handing it out to financially unfortunate people forever; the dollar will eventually collapse from too much abuse.

We will have to switch from our dependence on depleting energy sources, such as oil, to renewable energy sources. This will also cripple the economy as we know it, but again, it is the only way forward. Our technology is already reaching a point where alternative energy sources are being discovered, and we may soon be able to provide free, renewable energy to millions of people.

We must press onward as a species, and this means leaving behind primitive technology and practices. I mean, if we can provide a decent standard of living to our species, why shouldn't we? Overpopulation, as you stated, is a major problem, and expansion to a different planet may be one way of solving it. In terms of today's economic and technological standards it would be very expensive to pursue planetary colonization, but perhaps not in a hundred years or so.

Anyways, we are a very a savage and stupid species, yet we have the capacity for genius; if we manage to not blow ourselves up, perhaps we could in the near future actually fix the mess we've made of our world.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 10:08 PM
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You might find this series of books interesting, called the Mars Trilogy by Kim Stanley Robinson.

The three books are called: Red Mars, Green Mars and Blue Mars

They are science fiction, but follows a first colony settling Mars and beginning to terraform it. The books were published in the mid 1990's, but a lot of the engineering theories of how to terraform Mars still hold today.

The process would take hundreds of years (up to a thousand by some estimates), and as has been stated here, there is the problem of no magnetic field to protect Mars.

The books cover a lot of social problems too, including a faction that at first wanted to keep Mars the way it is now, and later on a full blown revolution.

Later on the writer even touches on the idea of terraforming Venus.....now there would be a wild idea.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 10:15 PM
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change title to re-birth.

I'm pretty sure Mars used to have life.

It's like the old Earth...



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 10:40 PM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
Please explain to me what this has to do with our economy, lol. If anything, we could trim a few hundred billion dollars off of our ridiculous defense budget and put that towards a project not dedicated to killing people.


Because that is against the constitution. Defense and national security is perhaps the only constitutional power granted to the federal government of this great country. You can hate war all you want, but endless war is what turned us into a superpower in the first place. War is good for this country, whether you like it or not. It promotes competition and job creation and stimulates innovation (more technological spinoffs have been possible through military research than "peaceful" NASA research).


Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroyOur species is nearing the point of transition from a type 0 to a type 1 civilization; if we fail in doing so, we will doom ourselves.

I see, so you've been reading the poisons espoused by Michio Kaku, huh? The same Michio Kaku that sees himself as a citizen of the world rather than a citizen of the U.S? The same Michio Kaku that implied anyone who opposes the coming transition to a world government a terrorist? I can already see where you're going with this. As respected of a figure in science he is, the man has very misguided views when it comes to world politics.


Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroyWe have reached a point with our technology and understanding of the universe where we can begin to liberate ourselves from our dependence on our planet's resources, as we continue to progress we will begin to find that the economy, as we know it, will fail us. Why?

Elaborate on this, please. I don't see how we can "liberate" civilization from requiring earthly resources as fuel any time soon, unless the laws of energy conservation and thermodynamics are rewritten. Unless you're talking about dramatic new energy resources such as "cold fusion", then that is laughable.



Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroyBecause there will not be enough jobs; labor jobs can easily be operated by machines, for no pay, leaving only service jobs. Obviously not every person can have a service-type job, meaning many people will find themselves out of work and unable to maintain a steady income

Why don't we take problems one step at a time rather than worrying about problems that will arise centuries into the future? You sound a lot like those people who chant "we need to get off this planet as soon as possible, the Sun will consume the Earth in 7 billion years).


Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroyWhen this goes into effect at full swing, we will have to adopt new economic policies and perhaps leave the concept of money behind entirely. Consumerism is inherently flawed; if people are unable to consume, businesses fail and markets collapse. This means the death of capitalism and perhaps the dawn of a new economic system similar to Marxism or socialism.


You're trying to implement policies now for a "problem" that is centuries away? Are you daft? As time goes on, statistics shows that more and more people are becoming educated and hence the manual labor industry mostly thrives on those with no ambition and immigrants who want a better future for their children. So, this problem you speak of likely won't even exist when the technology develops for it to be a problem. This just makes your position look even more ridiculous. And whether you like it or not, capitalism is what makes this country great and why this country thrives. If you want socialism and marxism, then there are many welfare states around the world that you can migrate to. Just don't let the door hit you on the way out.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 10:51 PM
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One of the projects I worked on about a year ago was setting up a Mars Colony simulator, using a 3D graphics program, allowing the user to walk around. We were working with NASA with educational section at Virginia Tech, the idea being to use the simulator to teach students about geology on Mars, and various other science applications.

When we were designing the "colony" in 3ds Max, one of the big things was: how do we do this? A domed crater? Reinforced buildings on the surface?

Our geologist in our group hit upon the idea of using possible caves, with the idea of being under ground would protect the colonist from the harmful radiation from the sun in the thin atmosphere, and protection form micro meteors since Mars atmosphere is so thin, that even some of the smallest stuff get's through.

I think starting out, that's where any colonist or terra formers would be at first, as being under ground made a lot more sense in protecting people and equipment. \

It was fun to help build, as we thought of all sorts of disaster ideas, like a breach, so I told them we'd compartmentalize the under ground colony, just like you do for a ship.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 10:52 PM
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Originally posted by InsideYourMind
First (if this would even work
) you'd have to burrow a hole to the core of the planet and detonate something big enough to get the core going again. Mars is as dead as dead can be, no active core, no magnetosphere = no life.



Is this true, that mars has no active core or a dead core? This part is kinda news to me, im still learning



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroyThe government can't keep printing money like it's paper and handing it out to financially unfortunate people forever; the dollar will eventually collapse from too much abuse.


I wholeheartedly agree with you, and that's why we need to drastically cut spending to get out of this massive deficit. The reason why we are in this mess in the first place is because of socialist policies. If we stuck to capitalism, we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.



Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroyWe will have to switch from our dependence on depleting energy sources, such as oil, to renewable energy sources. This will also cripple the economy as we know it, but again, it is the only way forward. Our technology is already reaching a point where alternative energy sources are being discovered, and we may soon be able to provide free, renewable energy to millions of people.

I agree, but it should be the private sector that should be doing it, and not funded by the government. Until then, our civilization will remain dependent on oil. Unless there is a revolutionary new science that allows for a new energy source, don't hold your breath on anything that will completely take the place of oil in our society. Just look at all the solar companies that the president invested billions of dollars into that have ended up as massive failures. So much for alternative energy sources, huh?



Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroyWe must press onward as a species, and this means leaving behind primitive technology and practices. I mean, if we can provide a decent standard of living to our species, why shouldn't we?

Because most people are not in favor of having to be taxed to death in order to feed poor people. In mankind, "we" does not exist and should not exist. It is about the individual, and hence why the individual nation states exist today. I don't believe in working just so my hard earned tax dollars can go to feeding other people, and I'm sure many others agree with that. What espouse seems to sound so great on paper, but it is only from a lack of experience in the real world that you don't yet realize it is just not practical.



Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroyOverpopulation, as you stated, is a major problem, and expansion to a different planet may be one way of solving it. In terms of today's economic and technological standards it would be very expensive to pursue planetary colonization, but perhaps not in a hundred years or so.

Overpopulation can be solved here on Earth. We only live on approximately 25% of the Earth, and the technology is not so far off that will soon allow us to live on oceans and maybe perhaps underwater. The difference between this and leaving the planet for another is the fact that the former will not bankrupt a nation. "Terraforming" an entire planet would probably bankrupt a developed, G20 nation even with the technology that may exist centuries from now. As for interstellar travel, I'm just going to lol. That will probably never be possible, and if it is, our understanding of spacetime and propulsion will be so different than it is today that it would be akin to comparing modern science with pre-antiquity science.


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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 11:00 PM
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Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
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change title to re-birth.

I'm pretty sure Mars used to have life.

It's like the old Earth...


i like re birthing
What if our earth was once a mars type planet & we originate from mars, then once up a time we terraformed earth & here we are?. Im just saying it can be possible.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 11:02 PM
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Originally posted by MegaSpace

Originally posted by InsideYourMind
First (if this would even work
) you'd have to burrow a hole to the core of the planet and detonate something big enough to get the core going again. Mars is as dead as dead can be, no active core, no magnetosphere = no life.



Is this true, that mars has no active core or a dead core? This part is kinda news to me, im still learning




It's not dead. Just kind of "Gooey", hehehehe.

Here is a good article on the core of Mars:

Mars' Gooey Core Is Freezing


Above ground, Mars is mostly a bone-chilling desert pocked with craters. Hundreds of miles below, however, a molten sea of iron, nickel and sulfur churns. And new research suggests the gooey core will eventually solidify?either from the outside-in, forming an iron-nickel core, or from the inside out, forming a core of a fool?s-gold-like minerals.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 11:07 PM
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Originally posted by MegaSpace

Originally posted by LucidDreamer85
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change title to re-birth.

I'm pretty sure Mars used to have life.

It's like the old Earth...


i like re birthing
What if our earth was once a mars type planet & we originate from mars, then once up a time we terraformed earth & here we are?. Im just saying it can be possible.


There has been a theory that when the solar system was young, but the planets had cooled enough to start having liquid water on them, that life might have gotten started on Mars first (if it happened at all), and that one of the large impacts that it has had by an asteroid may have ejected material from Mars which ended up on Earth, actually "seeding" Earth with life.

Kind of a wild theory, but not too far fetched. If even fossilized microbes could be found on Mars, it might even give that theory more thought. We do know that material from Mars does end up on Earth:

Martian Meteorite



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 11:10 PM
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Originally posted by eriktheawful
One of the projects I worked on about a year ago was setting up a Mars Colony simulator, using a 3D graphics program, allowing the user to walk around. We were working with NASA with educational section at Virginia Tech, the idea being to use the simulator to teach students about geology on Mars, and various other science applications.

When we were designing the "colony" in 3ds Max, one of the big things was: how do we do this? A domed crater? Reinforced buildings on the surface?

Our geologist in our group hit upon the idea of using possible caves, with the idea of being under ground would protect the colonist from the harmful radiation from the sun in the thin atmosphere, and protection form micro meteors since Mars atmosphere is so thin, that even some of the smallest stuff get's through.

I think starting out, that's where any colonist or terra formers would be at first, as being under ground made a lot more sense in protecting people and equipment. \

It was fun to help build, as we thought of all sorts of disaster ideas, like a breach, so I told them we'd compartmentalize the under ground colony, just like you do for a ship.


that is really cool! converted caves is a very cool idea and immediately doable. awesome!



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 11:24 PM
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Thanks, it was fun to do.

What was remarkable was the increase in the students test scores. We had them doing very mundane stuff, such as learning about electronic circuit loads, with the idea being that they needed to re-establish communications with Earth, but something had gone wrong with a basic circuit.

Now, this is something you could teach any of them, using just a book, or a video, etc. But when we used this 3D environment, and had them learning about it by pretending they were colonist on another planet, it was like a fire was lit inside them. They became very curious and wanted to learn more about Mars and space exploration in general.

The original thought behind the program was to get young people interested in Math and Sciences, which this simulation did quite well. For some later on it was wanting to learn more about computer sciences to make their own virtual worlds, for others it was to learn more about astronomy and space. Some found the subject of geology very attractive.


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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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If I was "god", why not put Venus where Mars is , and vice versa?

Second, line....because Mars almost made it in terms of life metabolism. The planet is probably dead.



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