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reply posted on 10-8-2012 @ 02:55 PM by Praetorius
reply to post by CompisMentis

I think you've confused "National Security" with "things that are politically inconvenient or uncomfortable to have shown in the light of day because they're true and make us look bad".

When Wikileaks stops reporting on wrongdoing by government and merely releases classified intel on things we SHOULD be doing but are bad for our actual enemies to know about, then I'll agree they're a terrorist organization. But perhaps I'm not up to date on this and missed something.


reply posted on 10-8-2012 @ 03:11 PM by Juggernog
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I just hope their attacks left enough a print to determine its origin. If so, maybe Anonymous or Lulzec will step up and "do the right thing"


reply posted on 10-8-2012 @ 03:12 PM by grey580
reply to post by CompisMentis



Yes.

That information was obtained on the tax payer dime.

It belongs to the people.



reply posted on 10-8-2012 @ 03:14 PM by ChaoticOrder
reply to post by Bodhi7



I doubt overly patriotic hillbillies are very good at hacking.

ZING!!!!

Haha that was funny stuff. Nice one.


reply posted on 10-8-2012 @ 03:21 PM by CompisMentis
Originally posted by Praetorius
reply to
post by CompisMentis

I think you've confused "National Security" with "things that are politically inconvenient or uncomfortable to have shown in the light of day because they're true and make us look bad".

When Wikileaks stops reporting on wrongdoing by government and merely releases classified intel on things we SHOULD be doing but are bad for our actual enemies to know about, then I'll agree they're a terrorist organization. But perhaps I'm not up to date on this and missed something.



I think their are interconnected, political instability caused by politically inconvenient truths inevitably has repercussion on National security.

Note that i take no side in this story as i am just trying to know what most people think of this.


reply posted on 10-8-2012 @ 03:33 PM by Maxmars
Originally posted by CompisMentis
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What comes first ? Freedom of information or National security ?


It is never been a question of priorities... but a question of the authority to deem something as "National Security" when it is actually an exercise in hiding corporate/government malfeasance.

The Wilikleaks claim to fame, the "diplomatic cable leak" revealed that our tax dollars were being used to pay and fund all manner of 'business' interests that were in no way security matters. In fact, there were true crimes at play, and had they not been "leaked" by the novo-terrorism of imposed transparency - we would remain ignorantly thinking that our prestigious diplomatic core was occupied working for our national interests. Instead it became clear that they were little more than business middlemen setting up commerce for the benefit of well-connected robber barons on both sides of the table.

Furthermore - this waste of taxpayer dollars was being perpetuated and protected by the government's political "appointees" by means of fraudulent classification and the use of secure US-owned and operated channels of communications. The government's outrage (and that of other governments) was the product of "embarrassment" and not much else.

"National Security" is not about plans and machinations to perpetuate the revenue stream for political celebrities, their sponsors, and their business friends. It is not about making sure that BP doesn't get creamed over their "spill" and that Haliburton's relocation to Dubai goes well. It's not about making sure that Pfizer and Monstanto continue to get away with shenanigans in overseas markets; and it is certainly not about political appointees achieving technocratic supremacy.

The very words "National Security" says it all.. the safety of the nation. That is why classification is so important... but the keys to classification have been given over to those who use it to "get away with" something... It used to be a long and arduous process to establish classification guidelines - to ensure that information was handled appropriately.... but ever since several decades ago, those restrictions were rewritten - sold to the dupes in the congressional playhouse as "cost saving' and immediately put to use by the lobbyists and political appointees to strengthen their hand when playing games with our sovereignty.

Wikileaks was not the only internet entity to suffer from this attack by the way... and the others who were equally subject to these attacks tells us much about who is behind it.... who were they? Let's see....

WikiLeaks, Demonoid, and security site felled by crude (but potent) attacks


news.hitb.org...

What do WikiLeaks, Demonoid, and security website KrebsOnSecurity have in common? They've all been the target of crippling denial-of-service attacks carried out over the past two weeks by faceless enemies determined to punish the sites for viewpoints or services they find objectionable.


Demonoid being in the news recently as her administrators have been arrested ... they dared to share copy written material... Krebs is guilty of trying to protect organizations like these from such attacks.....

It's the protectors of the status quo who are on the attack, anyone else would be called cyber-terrorists.... but I can't imagine anyone wanting to appear to be "unpatriotic" by saying so in the main stream.


reply posted on 10-8-2012 @ 03:38 PM by Praetorius
reply to post by CompisMentis

I can agree with that view - but in that cases of us being in the wrong, it's nothing more than a self-inflicted wound. Don't do stupid and quite terrible things we shouldn't be doing in the first place, and you won't have to worry about anyone trying to expose them for what they are and getting bit in the behind for it.

It's just like we always hear some people say in support of government spying, etc.: "If you haven't done anything wrong, what have you got to hide??" Sure, in cases where information is being released that doesn't pertain to openness regarding offenses against human rights and various other abuses, and is instead intended or likely to allow attack or threat to valid US actions, military systems, invasion or assault here at home and so on - we've got a problem.

But when the information merely makes us lie in the bed we've made for ourselves - well, take the whooping and learn the lesson. The government sure doesn't give us any outs when it catches us doing something wrong.


reply posted on 10-8-2012 @ 03:40 PM by CompisMentis
Originally posted by Maxmars
Originally posted by CompisMentis
...
What comes first ? Freedom of information or National security ?


It is never been a question of priorities... but a question of the authority to deem something as "National Security" when it is actually an exercise in hiding corporate/government malfeasance.

The Wilikleaks claim to fame, the "diplomatic cable leak" revealed that our tax dollars were being used to pay and fund all manner of 'business' interests that were in no way security matters. In fact, there were true crimes at play, and had they not been "leaked" by the novo-terrorism of imposed transparency - we would remain ignorantly thinking that our prestigious diplomatic core was occupied working for our national interests. Instead it became clear that they were little more than business middlemen setting up commerce for the benefit of well-connected robber barons on both sides of the table.

Furthermore - this waste of taxpayer dollars was being perpetuated and protected by the government's political "appointees" by means of fraudulent classification and the use of secure US-owned and operated channels of communications. The government's outrage (and that of other governments) was the product of "embarrassment" and not much else.

"National Security" is not about plans and machinations to perpetuate the revenue stream for political celebrities, their sponsors, and their business friends. It is not about making sure that BP doesn't get creamed over their "spill" and that Haliburton's relocation to Dubai goes well. It's not about making sure that Pfizer and Monstanto continue to get away with shenanigans in overseas markets; and it is certainly not about political appointees achieving technocratic supremacy.

The very words "National Security" says it all.. the safety of the nation. That is why classification is so important... but the keys to classification have been given over to those who use it to "get away with" something... It used to be a long and arduous process to establish classification guidelines - to ensure that information was handled appropriately.... but ever since several decades ago, those restrictions were rewritten - sold to the dupes in the congressional playhouse as "cost saving' and immediately put to use by the lobbyists and political appointees to strengthen their hand when playing games with our sovereignty.

Wikileaks was not the only internet entity to suffer from this attack by the way... and the others who were equally subject to these attacks tells us much about who is behind it.... who were they? Let's see....

WikiLeaks, Demonoid, and security site felled by crude (but potent) attacks


news.hitb.org...

What do WikiLeaks, Demonoid, and security website KrebsOnSecurity have in common? They've all been the target of crippling denial-of-service attacks carried out over the past two weeks by faceless enemies determined to punish the sites for viewpoints or services they find objectionable.


Demonoid being in the news recently as her administrators have been arrested ... they dared to share copy written material... Krebs is guilty of trying to protect organizations like these from such attacks.....

It's the protectors of the status quo who are on the attack, anyone else would be called cyber-terrorists.... but I can't imagine anyone wanting to appear to be "unpatriotic" by saying so in the main stream.



I have long ceased to think of National Security as the protection of the people but more as the protection of the established institutions. So yes, in order to protect these institutions it is most likely the one that benefit the most from them that are behind this.
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