Just read revelations, pretty much sums up 2012 to a tee

I'll lay money on a bet that the church is manufacturing the end times to bring about its agenda-

And it aint gonna be pretty.

Originally posted by wylekat
I'll lay money on a bet that the church is manufacturing the end times to bring about its agenda-

And it aint gonna be pretty.

Elaborate please, what agenda exactly? I do not agree with the concept of religion and church as the majority stands today. Religion has and will always be used for money and evil.

If you are talking about a new world order type agenda I think you'll find that god and religion actually kind of stand in the way of that. Hence the massive smear campaign against religious ideologies.

You may find the points that I made in my debate with Druid42 (link in my .sig down there) interesting. I don't watch posted videos, as a rule, so I don't know if that guy takes the reasoned approach that I did. (Note that you can't post in that thread, so if you have any questions for me, post them in this thread.)

The more stress we can put on religious people the faster they will all be dead.

So yes the end times are near and all those who thought they were good little christians are going to suffer... better hope you die before that happens...

you see what i did there....

god is your self, and you must stand up to anyone who suppresses your free will whether that be in a material or spiritual sense, even these videos are holding you back.

To answer your question. Yes, we are. And I can use 2 bible prophesies to prove it.

1. The day of Jezreel prophesy of Hosea. In Hosea the day of Jezreel prophesy has a time period attached to it. 3 days according to Hosea 6-2. But the bible is known for using a period of time to represent another. The 70 weeks of years prophesy of Daniel 9 is one of them for example. So what are the 3 days of Hosea 6-2? Per the prophesy those days are in the presence of God. And according to Psalms 90 and 2nd Peter 3-8 those days would be thousand year periods of time. Two thousand years of a curse followed by a thousand years of a blessing.

The Jews were to be destroyed for 2000 years and restored for the final 1000 years. And if you look at the historical records the Jews had the temple destroyed in 70 AD and the Diaspora started in 135 AD. And if you count John the Baptist and Jesus Christ it would appear the curse started as far back as the 25 to 35 AD timeframe.

This would also mean that the final event of the end times, the 1000 year reign of the saints of revelation corresponds to the blessing part of the day of Jezreel. Which would put the start of the reign of the saints in the 2020 to 2030 timeframe.

2. For a proof of this end date I can use the Matthew 24 parable of the fig tree. In the parable he compares end time events to fig leaves on a tree. And the end times as the coming of summer. And he also states that when the end times start those events will happen in the lifetime of the generation of the time.

And the problem here is that a end time event has happened. The rebirth of the nation of Israel in 1948. Per the prophecy that event had to be a fig leaf. And that means the generation started in or around 1948.

The Apocalypse is 64 years old approximately. And could last 70 to 80 years based on the bible definition of a lifetime in Psalms 90. The Apocalypse should be over with by 2028 at the latest.

Yes. For sure.