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The mass killing no one talked about

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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 01:14 PM
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There is no comparison made.......My lord.....

ALL I am saying is why is 1 person's life more IMPORTANT to hear about on the news than another?

Oh because this person got shot in a movie theater and the other just died getting mugged in the alley......Sure that makes sense!!!

You are beating around this question now and trying to turn this around on me that I am arrogant or whatever term you used......Personal attacks always win the arguement......You were raised well.....




posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 01:22 PM
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A) It was a motor vehicle accident. Not as newsworthy. People are used to that. Over a hundred people a day in the US die in car accidents.

B) It can be argued that the accident victims had some culpability which changes the psychology of what happened. You can say "It wasn't safe to cram 22 people in that vehicle and as long as I don't do that I'll be OK." The theater victims were just there watching a movie.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
reply to post by binkman
 


There is no comparison made.......My lord.....

ALL I am saying is why is 1 person's life more IMPORTANT to hear about on the news than another?

Oh because this person got shot in a movie theater and the other just died getting mugged in the alley......Sure that makes sense!!!

You are beating around this question now and trying to turn this around on me that I am arrogant or whatever term you used......Personal attacks always win the arguement......You were raised well.....


its called tailoring your news. they are tailoring what they show to the public. the public is what determines which story is "more important". they are just out to please their croud.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 01:33 PM
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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 04:06 PM
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Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein


There is no comparison made.......My lord.....


Quite clearly there was.


Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein

ALL I am saying is why is 1 person's life more IMPORTANT to hear about on the news than another?


And as I have tried to explain and you belligerently ignore, the circumstances of the death dictate how much news attention is given. Road traffic accidents happen all the time, shootings in cinemas don't, really just as simple as that.


Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein

Oh because this person got shot in a movie theater and the other just died getting mugged in the alley......Sure that makes sense!!!


I'm glad that you can now see the difference between a common crime and a rare tragedy.


Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein

You are beating around this question now and trying to turn this around on me that I am arrogant or whatever term you used......Personal attacks always win the arguement......You were raised well.....


Since your understanding of how priority, context and notability is not great, I'll take your claims with a pinch, nay, a bucketload of salt. Hell you don't even know what I supposedly said.

Now watch this comment get deleted for being "off topic"



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 04:50 PM
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Why has the media latched on to the mass gun shootings as opposed to a fatal vehicle accident? The mass shootings capture the public attention and the vehicle accident did not. Perhaps it is because any normal person in this society has pretty much already come to terms with the reality of highway death because we have to face that potential every single day of our lives. By comparison, getting shot to death in a dark theater is still a relative novelty. Or it could be because we all accept highway accidents to be a sort of random thing we can't really do anything about. We perceive a premeditated shooting differently. What I keep hearing is, "How could it have been prevented?" But the highway accident just seems like one of those things that's bound to happen sooner or later. It doesn't play much with the imagination. Am I right?



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 04:56 PM
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I drove right by that tree the day after. All I seen was Just tire tracks and a chunk of bark missing.

Oh and a little piece of yellow tape.
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posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 12:04 AM
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Hmm, well I've been waiting, but so far none of you have taken another potential angle on this story: That it's just a typical WND agenda driven article to call attention to the problem of illegal immigration, one more time.

Over a long time of reading, agendas have become exceedingly clear to me for some of the sources we use at ATS. WND is a right wing, religious nut job kinda place that mixes up mostly truth with clear agendas to demonize Iran and anything Muslim, for starters. They also hate illegal immigration, which I do too. RawStory is a staunchly liberal rag with agendas for gay rights and anything anti-right wing, for example.

And it is precisely why readers should be aware of these things, even if we post stories from those sources. Which I do. But while I may post a story from them, don't think for a minute I am taking my eye off the ball. I see exactly what they are doing.

The saddest part of all is the loss, nationwide, of truly unbiased, neutral journalism. It is rare these days. However the show Reality Check is getting my attention lately. I like it. A lot. And now, coming to you live, straight from the horses brain, please welcome "Your Own Thoughts".



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 04:31 AM
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I must admit that when I first read this story, in the wake of the Colorado shooting, I was shocked at the lack of attention which it attracted. I mean, like, where were the anguished, emotional appeals for an end to "truck violence" from the frightened rabbits on the left? Where are the impassioned pleas to ban or severly limit the sales of pickups? Or how about a bill introduced in Congress which would immediately put an end to the sale of any vehicle with a capacity of more than five persons? This is the very least that I would have expected from the "moderates" in Washington.

But, as the OP points out so correctly, there is no political advantage to be gleaned from the deaths of 13 illegals and no "security theater" or "fear porn" to be had from a road mishap. It is truly shameful that the loss of human life is considered less important by the government and the media than the modality by which it was accomplished.

I greave for each life lost by whatever means, but even more deeply I mourn our societys' loss of its humanity.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 04:41 AM
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Originally posted by TrueAmerican
This is not politically expedient, and serves no purpose for gun grabbing liberals, much less any purpose for getting Democratic votes in November. But the biggest mass killing of all wasn't in Colorado. Nope.


On July 22, less than 48 hours after the Colorado shooting, a Mexican coyote lost control of his Ford F-250 pick-up truck at high speed on Highway 59 outside of Goliad and killed 14 of the 22 Central Americans on board. Most had been laid out on the truck bed like sardines.

The driver, 22-year-old Ricardo Mendoza-Pineda, died in the crash as well. As the responders discovered the hard way, he was the only person on the truck with ID, in his case a driver’s license from the Mexican state of Tamaulipas.

“This is coming as news to many of your viewers,” I told the show’s host. “This was a criminal act that resulted in 15 deaths. And no one wants to talk about it because it has no useful political value for the people who determine what’s news and what’s not.”


www.wnd.com...

So does a mass killing have to happen in a hail of bullets nowadays to make the news? I mean dead is dead. And illegal is illegal. Not undocumented... ILLEGAL. And this happened during the commission of a crime, just like Colorado. Die by the gun or die by the wheel, you're still dead, and dead because of crime. Well yes, I am sorry it didn't happen in such theatrical fashion. I am sorry there is no political value to the story. I am sorry it was just an accident that occurred while committing a crime.

So let's examine your excuse that "Oh, well it was just an accident...That can happen to anyone anytime."

Can it? I mean how many people's pickup trucks are overloaded with illegals besides the coyotes and construction bosses? Is yours? Didn't think so. And note that if it did happen to a construction boss, then is it legal to hire illegal immigrants in that state? Hmm. Maybe not. No, probably not. So he'd be committing a crime when the accident happened too.

So now what are you left to argue with?

I thought that was a pretty decent article by WND, illustrating again the bias of media agenda.
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And for how many centuries did Europeans settle in the Americas without asking the permission of the current residents (And murdering them if they presented the slightest inconvenience?) before they decided to be hypocrites and institute the current "Citizen" nonsense? And how easy would it be for the government to stop all illegal immigration if they wanted to? It is ALL a game, and yes, many of the pawns get killed and it matters not how.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:00 AM
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I'm still trying to decide whether MSM picks topics for political purposes or people simply jump on what's being covered and turn it into agendas for their own political gain after the fact. But one thing's for sure: MSM is entertainment at best these days. They are going for ratings, and the morbid reality is that a random crazy person in a gas mask shooting up a theater is more "entertaining" to people. Like others mentioned, this story is an accident, but the shooting has more "dimensions" to it. It's scarier-- a dude in a gas mask at the midnight showing of a dark movie, firing assault rifles and claiming to be the Joker? It's got that personal angle too it too: A random theater? We all go to the theater. This could've been YOU!

It's messed up and awful and wrong, because all life is a blessing... but that's how they operate. Guarantee if there were a way to dramatize this story like a Hollywood movie they would be all over it. I think George Carlin powerfully sums it up here (1:45)


Ironically, he even mentions "I wanna see some guy running through K-mart with an automatic weapon firing at the clerks..." as usual, the man is right on the money (in that the media is going to cover stuff like that)...

ETA: Tholidor used the term "fear porn"... I think that's precisely it...

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posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:42 AM
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Originally posted by RicketyCricket
So how can we show them that their cake is a lie?


Nobody can be shown what is outside the Matrix. They have to experience it for themselves.

Nobody showed you did they? There will be a inner calling, interest, intuition to start looking into these things, once the person is ready for it. So there is no need to focus on convincing everybody. In time, they will come, and they will be attracted to this kind of information.

Of course, its good to spread the information so its there once people start to go looking for it.


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posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 05:47 AM
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Originally posted by TearmanWhat I keep hearing is, "How could it have been prevented?"


Its by design. Anyone can see that this was done intentionally as part of a ritual (even though we dont have any public knowledge of the drugs or programming that made it possible), and the desired response is the public asking for more surveillence and control and less freedom and liberty.


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posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 07:21 AM
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posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 10:13 AM
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In the vehicle accident, people knowingly took the risk. Even though it's unsafe, they volunteered to pack themselves into a vehicle like sardines. It's a means to an ends and they don't care if safety is tossed out the window. The blame would go to those smuggling them across the border, but even if you stopped one group of border-runners there's likely a hundred more willing to take their place.

Another part of the blame would go those that let human-smuggling activities carry on. The U.S. government doesn't care enough about border enforcement to do it effectively, as politicians treat it as a political football and willingly let it slide in order to pander to certain groups. This is in spite of the social and economic problems it causes to the middle and lower class. (Look at what it's done to the job market, school systems, and health care.) It's not like a secure border can't be achieved either, the U.S. government is quite capable if willing. We've done a much much better job of patrolling West Germany's border during the cold war and securing the South Korean border with North Korea. Heck, you could probably even say we've done a better job securing the border in the mountainous regions of Afghanistan and Pakistan.

As for the shootings, those don't happen every day. The places they have occured at are typically very safe on a normal day to day basis.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 10:31 AM
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Originally posted by Chrisfishenstein
There is no comparison made.......My lord.....

ALL I am saying is why is 1 person's life more IMPORTANT to hear about on the news than another?


You are asking the wrong question. The amount of media attention a certain death gets is in no way correlated with the importance of that person (unless of course it is a celebrity). The important thing is how that person died. That has the news value, not the death itself.


Oh because this person got shot in a movie theater and the other just died getting mugged in the alley......Sure that makes sense!!!


It makes very much sense. If you want to stop discriminating between the news value of the death of a person, you have two options. Stop reporting it altogether, or start 1000 TV channels continuously reporting deaths.

What happens in reality is that events that people find important get more attention. If you do not agree with the importance of a certain event, what you should do is just ignore the media, and realize that you are in no position to decide what news is important for others. Alternatively, you can start you own news channel.


You are beating around this question now and trying to turn this around on me that I am arrogant or whatever term you used......Personal attacks always win the arguement......You were raised well.....


I would say that you are selfish and inconsiderate of others. You want your norm to be the norm that counts for everyone.
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posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 11:33 AM
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I thought this was tongue-in-cheek at first. Innocent victims shot by a crazed serial killer on the same par with a bunch of people killed in a vehicle crash? Just because you say that you eliminated that argument by saying so doesn't make it true. There are a ridiculous number of people killed during the commission of crimes every day - often with multiple deaths involved. Imagine how few people would pay attention to the news if they droned on incessantly every day about every person killed by drunk drivers. It's hard to fathom that someone would think the news story of a mass-murder by a psychotic only got more news attention because of some imagined "liberal gun-grabbing media bias", but apparently there are those who actually think that way.

Remember Heaven's Gate? Let me guess - liberal anti-religion media bias was the reason for all that coverage? The Haiti quake coverage? Damned left-wing bias again, right? I hardly heard anything about people killed due to reckless driving in the national news that day.

Seriously, unbelievable that someone would think this way. Not unbelievable that WND would write the piece, just that anyone would read it without rolling their eyes at it.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by charles1952
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A death that occurs during the commission of a felony is felony murder. One can easily argue they were committing a felony, therefore . . .


You're wrong, and the conjecture is ridiculous. When a death occurs during the commission of a felony it is not "felony murder", unless murder was committed. So if someone is stealing their neighbor's mail and has a heart attack, it's felony murder? LOL. Please, if you're going to make stuff up with no knowledge basis whatsoever, at least start your statement with, "I think this is how it should be", or "one time I had a dream that the law was completely different from how it is for real, and this is how it was in my dream..." c'mon...



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 02:32 PM
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Originally posted by tothetenthpower
It did make the news...

Various outlets reporting it.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

Although the source seems to have dissapeared. Either way, it was covered.

~Tenth




Of course it was covered. I very much doubt OP was on the scene and is here to provide us with their first-hand account.

On the other hand, as you mention, those sources disappeared. I never heard of this. It was not plastered all over the media like the shootings. Mind you, that does make some plain-and-simple-sense. Shootings are far more sensationalistic than car accidents, and easier to up-play the drama, fear, etc.

Either way... I find it to be extremely reflective and telling of our mainstream media.



posted on Aug, 11 2012 @ 02:37 PM
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oh dear.. politicians using death for getting closer to the goal is not NEW, but getting people outside of this website to understand it is old..

the problem are the ones who automatically park their ass on the sofa after work and fill their head with crap from the propaganda box, but everyone on this site knows that.


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