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EPA to require minimum four-gallon gas purchase at certain pumps

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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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EPA to require minimum four-gallon gas purchase at certain pumps


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An Environmental Protection Agency official has reported that the agency will require customers to buy a minimum of four gallons of gasoline for certain pumps as a solution to the American Motorcyclist Association’s concern about E15.

E15 is a gas blend that contains up to 15 percent ethanol by volume. It has not been approved for use in motorcycles or ATVs, and the AMA is concerned it could inadvertently be pumped into motorcycle or ATV tanks when riders use pumps that dispense multiple types of fuel. Adding E15 to a motorcycle and ATV tank lowers fuel efficiency and voids many manufactu
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 04:42 PM
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If you ride a motorcycle or an ATV E-15 has not been approved for use in these types of vehicles, it lowers efficiency and voids many warranties.

So if you pull into a fuel station where E-10 and E-15 are dispensed from the same hose, a minimum 4 gallon purchase will be required in order to dilute the effects E-15 will have on on these engine types.

EPA to require minimum four-gallon gas purchase at certain pumps
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 04:52 PM
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I would have thought that since the drought was diminishing our ethanol reserves they would have stopped using alcohol in our gas entirely - not use even more!

As it stands I get nine gallons of gas and one of alcohol for every ten gallons I pump - despite paying for ten gallons of gas. Now I'll be getting even less gas....

Is this supposed to help the environment... or the gas companies?
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 04:53 PM
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This is retarded. Why not just not sell e15, or make pumps that mix your fuel to whatever percentagr you want from seperate ethanol and gasoline tanks? E15 is the dumbest idea ever.

Why is it that factory e85 vehicles are universally designed to run poorly on e85 to discourage its use?



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 05:07 PM
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Or people with motorcycles can just use them correctly and not gas up at those pumps.

I don't fill up at pumps that have e85 unless it's a separate hose.

Why force a minimum purchase at specific pumps when the motorcyclists can just wait one freaking minute for another pump to open up? They're not special because they like riding bikes.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 05:49 PM
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Originally posted by Maxmars
I would have thought that since the drought was diminishing our ethanol reserves they would have stopped using alcohol in our gas entirely - not use even more!

As it stands I get nine gallons of gas and one of alcohol for every ten gallons I pump - despite paying for ten gallons of gas. Now I'll be getting even less gas....

Is this supposed to help the environment... or the gas companies?
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40% of last years corn crop went into ethanol.

Estimates are saying the corn crop this year could be half of last years.

And since these boondoggles are mandated, it will take an act of Congress to shut them down.

They eventually will, but it will be far too late.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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More proof ethanol is utter CRAP.

We are subsidizing an inferior product.

LET IT FAIL.

I have been using ethanol free fuel all this year and yes it cost a little more but my car performs much better.

Especially the old '70 stingray.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 07:32 PM
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Originally posted by phroziac
This is retarded. Why not just not sell e15, or make pumps that mix your fuel to whatever percentagr you want from seperate ethanol and gasoline tanks? E15 is the dumbest idea ever.

Why is it that factory e85 vehicles are universally designed to run poorly on e85 to discourage its use?


My wifes Dodge Caravan was one of the first E-85 vans.

I followed all the factory recommendationsd as far as break in period. Our son's wife borrowed it and put E-85 in it at the station thinking that's what we were using since it could use it and it was so cheap compared to gas.

We stopped using the E-85 after the 3 rd tank, mpg dropped from 31 to 19 almost right away.

So now we have a full tank of E-85, and a van that no longer ran.

It was towed to the dealer and they called to tell me that it would cost $5,500 to fix. Initially they said an ethanol incident wasn't covered in the factory warranty, then they said they weren't liable for the damage.

I took a slow walk to the front window, punched the window so hard I thought it would break. It took like 3 minutes for the vibrations to stop, at the time my wife thought I was going to break it.

I walked back to the service counter and said "I'm going to need you to repeat that".

The service manager stepped back and said hurridly "let me call Chrysler", came back 15 minutes later saying they would cover everything.


When I came to pick it up the mechanic said they had to replace the entire fuel system and 2 computers.

It's not only a boondoggle, it wrecks cars.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:54 AM
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Originally posted by AGWskeptic

Originally posted by phroziac
This is retarded. Why not just not sell e15, or make pumps that mix your fuel to whatever percentagr you want from seperate ethanol and gasoline tanks? E15 is the dumbest idea ever.

Why is it that factory e85 vehicles are universally designed to run poorly on e85 to discourage its use?


My wifes Dodge Caravan was one of the first E-85 vans.

I followed all the factory recommendationsd as far as break in period. Our son's wife borrowed it and put E-85 in it at the station thinking that's what we were using since it could use it and it was so cheap compared to gas.

We stopped using the E-85 after the 3 rd tank, mpg dropped from 31 to 19 almost right away.

So now we have a full tank of E-85, and a van that no longer ran.

It was towed to the dealer and they called to tell me that it would cost $5,500 to fix. Initially they said an ethanol incident wasn't covered in the factory warranty, then they said they weren't liable for the damage.

I took a slow walk to the front window, punched the window so hard I thought it would break. It took like 3 minutes for the vibrations to stop, at the time my wife thought I was going to break it.

I walked back to the service counter and said "I'm going to need you to repeat that".

The service manager stepped back and said hurridly "let me call Chrysler", came back 15 minutes later saying they would cover everything.


When I came to pick it up the mechanic said they had to replace the entire fuel system and 2 computers.

It's not only a boondoggle, it wrecks cars.

Ethanol doesnt damage your car. A poorly designed ethanol fuel system did. And properly setup, ethanol will get better performance and damn near the same mpg. Guess what? The manufacturers dont want you to run ethanol. They just want the epa kickbacks for making them.

Chrysler sucks, too. :p




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