FYI: Those that think Christians can't be the victims of "hate" crimes in the US... Think again

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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 02:22 AM
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Originally posted by korathin

Originally posted by CrikeyMagnet
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There have always been psychopaths and extremists. 10 or 20 years ago, this absolutely could have happened. You just probably would not have heard about it.

Remind me again what liberals have to do with anything...?


Liberal's, nothing as that is an extinct political ideology, progressives: everything. Progressives have always hated Christianity because the Progressive Party is the Party of Psychopaths(wolves in sheeps clothing aka the Psychopath).

Look at the extreme anti-christian rants that pop here thanks to the Progressive wing of ATS. Look at Columbine, two atheist's students hunted down not "jocks", but a peaceful Christian group to murder. Look at the USSR and other Communist Countries at how leftist psychopaths love to harm and murder Christians.


You don't even know what a psychopath is - there are plenty of mood disorders that cause a person to act like a "wolf in sheep's clothing"




posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 03:45 AM
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Do you truly think there is a large number of people out there that think Christians can't be victims of hate crimes? Or are you just trying to spark of controversy here so that all the Christians can defend themselves. Obviously any person anywhere can be a victim of a hate crime. While I would never assault someone for it, I hate someone forcing me to listen to their beliefs. I'm happy to listen to them if given the option, just don't shove them down my throat.

The basis of this story is that the preacher had the right to free speech. Yes, sure he did. But freedom OF speech is not the same thing as freedom TO speak as you wish when you wish. The actions towards the preacher were not justified, but the preacher is also not 100% innocent either(as he is made out to be). No one wants to touch that topic though do they?
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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 04:32 AM
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Wow.....interesting that I don't see this story in the mainstream news....not even on the supposedly "conservative" big site.

Go figure.

And still, some act like the attack was deserved, or like talking about it is "inflammatory", and ignore the fact that these things DO happen. I have been told, recently, that there is no persecution of Christians at all. Some folks are very fond of that river in Egypt, I suppose.

Well, glad they caught the scum, and glad the two stabbed were able to be released.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 04:46 AM
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There is no such thing as a hate crime/race crime, there is only crime. Colour and religion should have no bias when regarding crime in my opinion!
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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 05:32 AM
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Maybe if people weren't so angry and pissed off about everything else (such as government policy or the sheer ignorance of a lot of people in daily life) they wouldn't be snapping on innocent individuals. The problem is a lot deeper than just people using violence towards one another for seemingly trivial things. Society is similar to a building, so to speak. If there is a problem in the foundation there will be signs all throughout the rest of the structure, whether the source of the problem is realized or not.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 05:54 AM
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Seems like none of you have been crapped and peed on by Christians.

While I agree that crime is crime- and one shouldnt go to these extremes- christians have no one to blame but themselves for this. I am sure that given time to be asked, these people would have a laundry list of what the church and christians have done to them. A LOT of people do. The things chiristians do to others would make anyone snap and go on a rampage! You get robbed, lied to, stabbed in the back, lied about, treated like filth if you are not in their same social circle, if you arent up to the standards of the religion, the list is endless.

Victims of hate crimes indeed. Too many are the *perpetrators*.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 05:56 AM
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Anyone can be a victim of a hate crime, this man simply chose to do something foolish and got
a foolish response in kind, i dont want to drive up to walmart and hear some psycho babel
about his religion, i want to grab my stuff and get out as i already dislike being there enough
without inane childish prattle as background noise. now would i hurt anyone because of that?
no.

the simple truth is that while christians think they have some kind of war against them
in this country because groups that dont agree with their fairy tail want equal rights,
the truth is you are at least 100x more likely to have someone discriminate against
you being an atheist than you are for being one of the mainstream factions,
i spent the first half on my life brainwashed to believe i was christian then once
i figured it all out for myself it was a sad sad day, it still is in my eyes, my heart
breaks for my family that are still under the harmful effects of religion.

i had never known much discrimination until at a job one day i was debating
my brother on some of the more insane parts of the bible and a co worker
overheard us, she was up to that point one of the nicest ladies we worked with.
once she figured out i didnt believe in the bible or god as depicted in the bible
she told me to get my own country because this one belongs to the christians.
i luckily did not lose that job as my contract could not be easily broken but
the simple fact the the PR manager was so biased is ludicrous, my current
job someone mentioned to the bosses wife that i was a non believer and
the first thing she says to me after that is "I heard something disturbing about
you" that attitude right there is why these people are insane, i did not
judge her for her childish fantasy and gave her a real chance to be who
she was yet all she needs to hear about me for me to be disturbing to her
is my lack of agreement that her fantasy is real.

no matter how you slice it the simple truth is religion is a mental illness,
its deflection of responsibility in the name of a fantasy, not only that
but to claim those who wont play along are some how broken or deviants.
im sorry but play make believe all you want just play in your own back yard,
your imaginary friend is sick and twisted and yes there is something
wrong with each and every one of you, a mass delusion is still just that
a delusion, the saddest part to me is so many good honest people are
lost to it and will never be recovered due to the fear instilled in them by the
very thing that is suppose to remove all fear.

but alas this wont matter one bit, i can talk till im blue in the face and those
who hate life will always rise up to argue, all i know is having lived on both
sides of the fence in this topic i feel far more violated by religion than anything
else in this sad world.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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Its been a while since I posted, but this was post worthy.

People who try to force something on you like a religion should not feel oppressed or victimized. Yes you have the right to get out and preach like that these days but the tactic that preachers and religious leaders use to get people into church is hate and fear. How can you you tell someone they will die in eternal anguish if they do not believe what you believe? What if they have lived an honest and meaninful life and helped people in all the ways they know, then someone says if you dont put your faith into this man everything you have worked for is useless?

I've studied religion,society,people, criminal justice and psychology long enough to know that religion is a sham. There is a spiritual component that religion tries to hit upon, but the truth is do good unto others, respect others, better yourself... thats all thats really necessary to live a good existence. Christians would have you hate yourself and constantly belittle yourself and psychologically torture yourself to the point of mental disorders. Islamists would have you kill yourself or shame yourself into mental disorders as well. I have a hard time believing, i am sorry, that a loving God would require you to mess yourself up mentally just to be able to go to "heaven". It does not make any sense. Yes some degree of anguish is necessary to bring about positive change, but relgious people SUFFER, and its by their own hand and their preachers hand, and a bible that was WRITTEN by PEOPLE, CLAIMING that they were writing on GODS Behalf...... I could come up with something amazing in the bible and if I said God said it and you believed me in those times, I could have had my own book of the bible. So anyways...

When people go up in public and tell me that I am wrong and they are trying to guilt me into a false religion (they are all false- spirituality is for the beholder) I can honestly see why people got mad. I think the person who pulled the gun had their own issues too. The sad part is that society at large is pitted against each other in such a way that society can no longer see the truth. In America the media is so full of misleading and psychologically abusive information that people here are losing their minds. Sometimes I honestly think that America is a test ground for psycological abuse to see what people and society can handle because it is so messed up here. I have no problem listening to a preacher preach his view if he isnt going to try to shame me and make me hate myself for my beliefs... and in fact if everyone around you acts in a good manor, more than likely you will too if the environment is socially and psychologically nurturing... but our society is not... thats why we have Criminals and people that when walking on the sidewalk will run from you if you for ANY reason look at them wrong or try to talk to them. This society is so broke its not funny. If you really want something to change change your heart and your mind... your world exists in your head. You can start with yourself if you want to make a difference in the world.

p.s. people know that Christians can be victims of hate crimes... they have been ever since religious leaders were manipulating them with fear and hate in the dark/middle ages and the enligtenment periods... its nothing new.... stop trying to invoke more hate, its just what we dont need.

In response to an above poster... I agree Christians do it to themselves on an unconscious level, but religion is a great way to build a cohesive and working society/environment. The problem that we ran into is that people lost touch of what the Bible is really saying (the good parts- the more wise ones) and preach the doom and gloom sadness that is so easily remembered and twisted. I have still yet to find a verse in the bible that says you cannot have sex with another person while not being married and it being sinful... but however if you read a newer version that was "updated" you probably will.... I dont get it... Im pretty sure in the bible it says do not modify my words but they have been modified hundreds of times... Its even noted in our history that books were taken out, added, and rough translations were made.... How can you justify that??
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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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Originally posted by elitegamer23

Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by fnpmitchreturns
OK, here is an updated story with pics of the two people who committed this crime and another picture that points out that this story is way overblown...

blog.al.com...

The guy stabbed three times in the back... getting his picture taken with family while he is laying on his back? I just can't see anyone who has 3 severe stab wound laying on his back.....




so, what transpired between when the preacher was hassled to the confrontation by the bank?



Gene Duffy said he didn’t see what happened after Reid and Jarman stopped accosting him. But when he saw that something had happened over near the bank, he immediately went over to the ambulance with Cushman inside.


Did these two good Samaritans continue going after the two who stabbed them after they left the preacher?

Since the preacher in his own words never saw what happened?


Exactly what is the point of you trying to belittle the story and infer that the guy who was stabbed isn't injured enough to meet your definition of "serious".

So you're now trying to defend probable meth addicts who assaulted people... to what end?

Are you trying to shoot down the premise that a Christian was assaulted for preaching? Or maybe you're trying to belittle the idea that a evangelical Christian could be the victim of hate crime because it dispels your entire paradigm of how "hate" works in this nation?


now im confused here. was this an actual attack on the preacher because he was speaking the gospel or was this just two methheads being methheads.



Not sure to be honest, but - they didn't attack anyone else in the parking lot... maybe he was being too loud, maybe he brought attention onto himself -

Just really relating the story because, as I'm sure you're aware, there is a certain lack of MSM coverage for anti-Christian violence, black on white crime, gun owners SAVING the day, etc....

Bottom line, people (hence ratings) like to read about their preconceived notions living themselves out to the fullest extent, and when things to fit the mold, they tend to get pushed to the side.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:19 AM
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Originally posted by TerribleTeam2
Well to be honest, if he hadn't gone to the parking lot and started "preaching" there, and had kept it to his Church, none of this would have happened. Sure, it's not a good thing that it had happened, but there is a time and a place for everything.

And don't try and give me the whole "Freedom of Speech, the Constitution allows it", because there is a difference between Freedom of speech, and trying to convert people. The way I see it, he was being a public menace. People should be able to go shopping without having to worry about, or think "damn, am I going to have to put up with a Preacher being at the parking lot?". It's all well and good to have your own beliefs, but as soon as it starts to infringe on other peoples thoughts and beliefs, thats where Freedom of Speech goes out the window, and being a public nuisance comes into play.


Interesting - so I assume then you'd also say and feel that an anit-war protestor deserves any violence directed their way since they're trying to "convert" others to their way of thinking?

Or do you hold that special sentiment only for religion?



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:20 AM
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The idea of a "hate" crime in nonsense.

ALL violent crime is hateful, and to have a seperate legal definition for it is again, nonsense.

~Tenth



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:22 AM
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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:24 AM
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Originally posted by nateman
Do you truly think there is a large number of people out there that think Christians can't be victims of hate crimes? Or are you just trying to spark of controversy here so that all the Christians can defend themselves. Obviously any person anywhere can be a victim of a hate crime. While I would never assault someone for it, I hate someone forcing me to listen to their beliefs. I'm happy to listen to them if given the option, just don't shove them down my throat.

The basis of this story is that the preacher had the right to free speech. Yes, sure he did. But freedom OF speech is not the same thing as freedom TO speak as you wish when you wish. The actions towards the preacher were not justified, but the preacher is also not 100% innocent either(as he is made out to be). No one wants to touch that topic though do they?
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Nateman - please, search the threads for "hate crime". Now, read the comments. If/when anyone brings up Christianity, the immediate response is always that Christians commit all the hate crimes - and "they have it coming".

Deny Ignorance is the theme of ATS, and by pretending to not see the over-arching "victims deserve their revenge" mentality on this board, you HAVE to know what I'm talking about... so please - DENY IGNORANCE.

And just as evidence, look no further than this thread: I submit exhibit A:


Originally posted by wylekat
Seems like none of you have been crapped and peed on by Christians.

While I agree that crime is crime- and one shouldnt go to these extremes- christians have no one to blame but themselves for this. I am sure that given time to be asked, these people would have a laundry list of what the church and christians have done to them. A LOT of people do. The things chiristians do to others would make anyone snap and go on a rampage! You get robbed, lied to, stabbed in the back, lied about, treated like filth if you are not in their same social circle, if you arent up to the standards of the religion, the list is endless.

Victims of hate crimes indeed. Too many are the *perpetrators*.
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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:26 AM
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Originally posted by andy06shake
There is no such thing as a hate crime/race crime, there is only crime. Colour and religion should have no bias when regarding crime in my opinion!
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Here Here!

Lord do I wish all Americans, and more over - the world - could see things this way.

But sadly, people want to be classified, specified, and treated "special" to make sure everyone knows they're getting worse than the other guy, therefore they deserve more - or should have their criminal acts excused.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:29 AM
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Originally posted by wylekat
Seems like none of you have been crapped and peed on by Christians.

While I agree that crime is crime- and one shouldnt go to these extremes- christians have no one to blame but themselves for this. I am sure that given time to be asked, these people would have a laundry list of what the church and christians have done to them. A LOT of people do. The things chiristians do to others would make anyone snap and go on a rampage! You get robbed, lied to, stabbed in the back, lied about, treated like filth if you are not in their same social circle, if you arent up to the standards of the religion, the list is endless.

Victims of hate crimes indeed. Too many are the *perpetrators*.


Great comment, thanks for making my point to another poster that sadly, there is a huge population on ATS that think Christians simply "have it coming" and deserve anything that happens to them because of past misdeeds.

Great enlightenment there pal!



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 09:44 AM
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Originally posted by gncnew

Originally posted by wylekat
Seems like none of you have been crapped and peed on by Christians.

While I agree that crime is crime- and one shouldnt go to these extremes- christians have no one to blame but themselves for this. I am sure that given time to be asked, these people would have a laundry list of what the church and christians have done to them. A LOT of people do. The things chiristians do to others would make anyone snap and go on a rampage! You get robbed, lied to, stabbed in the back, lied about, treated like filth if you are not in their same social circle, if you arent up to the standards of the religion, the list is endless.

Victims of hate crimes indeed. Too many are the *perpetrators*.


Great comment, thanks for making my point to another poster that sadly, there is a huge population on ATS that think Christians simply "have it coming" and deserve anything that happens to them because of past misdeeds.

Great enlightenment there pal!


Hi gncnew/

It should not cause you any 'ill' feelings towards those people who use 'hate' as an excuse for ignorance, but be happy that all the hate they feel was pre told by Jesus Christ Himself!
And this is just the beginning of what is to come!
I guess we are a minority(Christians) .
''ANTI-Christian' 'ANTI-Semitic' 'ANTI-Islamophobia
Now which one gets to be on television the most???

ICXC NIKA



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 10:26 AM
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Interesting post,..

I'm curious, I know the article says he was singing a song but I'd like to know if any source can identify what passages or book he may have been reading from?

Also, what kind of community or neighborhood was this in which he was proselytizing?

I am not trying to find any excuses for the assailants because I believe violence is a sign of the mentally handicapped (& I'm euphemistically speaking of course because most mentally handicapped are not violent, but,...)
If he was preaching with brimstone & fire - say, Leviticus in a gay community or going off at the top of his lungs about "money changers" in front of a Jewish temple things could get tense. I'm just using those as examples of how things could be less than conducive to open expression because of surrounding circumstances.

As a side note I have plenty of gay friends & Jewish friends and even one gay Jewish friend, so I apologize if anyone took offense for my having used those examples as I've not personally experienced either of those groups being violent douche bags (people are so touchy these days so I just wanted to make sure I was PC enough about my post.)



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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I was wondering about this topic last night, I think that most people that despise Christians visualize them as Americans of European decent.

People need to broaden their horizons.

Christianity by country


As of the early 21st century, Christianity has around 2.2 billion adherents of about 7 billion people.[1][2][3][4] The faith represents one-third of the world's population and is the largest religion in the world, with 3 Christian denominations which are: (1) Catholic Church; (2) Protestant Church; and (3) Eastern Orthodox Church[5].[6] The largest Christian denomination is the Catholic Church, with 1.09 billion adherents,followed by 1.0 billion Protestants which are growing rapidly in the Muslim and Catholic world representing most Christians.[7]

Christianity is the predominant religion in Europe, Russia, the Americas, the Philippines, East Timor, Southern Africa, Central Africa, East Africa and Oceania.[8] There are also large Christian communities in other parts of the world, such as Central Asia and the Middle East, where Christianity is the second-largest religion after Islam. The United States has the largest Christian population in the world, followed by Brazil and Mexico.[9]

Christianity, in one form or another, is the state religion of the following 16 nations: Armenia[citation needed] (Armenian Apostolic Church), Argentina (Roman Catholic Church),[10] Bolivia (Roman Catholic Church and Christianity),[11] Costa Rica (Roman Catholic Church),[12] Denmark (Danish National Church),[13] El Salvador (Roman Catholic Church),[14] England (Church of England),[15] Greece (Church of Greece), Georgia (Georgian Orthodox Church)[16][17][18][19], Iceland (Church of Iceland),[20] Liechtenstein (Roman Catholic Church),[21] Malta (Roman Catholic Church),[22] Monaco (Roman Catholic Church),[23] Norway (Church of Norway),[24] Vatican City (Roman Catholic Church).[25]


en.wikipedia.org...
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Christianity in China
www.chinahighlights.com...

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posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 11:00 AM
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Stop relying on logical fallacies to base reasoning on - it’s pathetic!

I’m not even going to quote anyone because there are too many… and I’m not in the mood to troll.



posted on Aug, 10 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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When i first became a Christian and got myself a new good paying job, the dudes that worked there wanted me to go with them on weekends to strip clubs to get drunk and do coke. I told them i dont do that anymore because i am a Christian and from that point on they did whatever they could to get me fired.

Fortunately, my work ethic and professionalism spoke for itself and a few people stood up for me and kept me there





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