reply to post by thepresident
First.... You're calling people liars while offering a few lines of your own thoughts
and a couple lines quoted from an OP you
to begin with.
Now, the OP is referencing a PART of the topic as the 2004-09 operations,, and so are the legal documents the Beck story is based on. The op story
itself, if you read all of it, also refers VERY clearly to operations AFTER the mutt in the story got nailed. ...and so do the legal documents the
Beck story was based on.
I read the legal paper too..and they CLEARLY reference the Issa Committee as part of what they expect to get in discovery, and more than once. ALSO
papers relating to operations during the Bush-Era gun running efforts are asked for separately from the Obama stuff. In fact, the discovery items are
even numbered differently.
The Phoenix ATF office Chief was in the middle of Bush's efforts AND Obama's efforts. Different Presidents....different orders....yet similar or
same mindset and middle management plods along. Read them yourself... Maybe you can quote something that shows I'm wrong or I missed? I see him
asking for everything before AND after his client got busted. Been fishing? lol....
Motion for Discovery
Mr. Zambada-Niebla in requests #48-51, seeks to obtain information regarding
Operation “Fast & Furious” and the findings regarding that operation in the Joint Staff
Report prepared for Darrell R. Issa, Chairman of the United States House of
Representatives Committee on Oversight and Government Reform and Senator Charles
E. Grassley, the ranking member of the United States Committee on the Judiciary,
because the materials requested are relevant to his defense of public authority and are
Reference for that quote is Page 11, Paragraph 1. The link below is an ATF Report from Grassley's office, BTW.
You'll find pages 11-13 pf the above to be especially interesting. Specific requests for Bush Era stuff seems to start with #42 for discovery items.
If someone has a copy of the specific discovery request items...it'd answer more.
The thing is..The OP was not 100% based and scope locked on what ended on one day in March of 2009....He even said so in the op..and repeatedly in
this thread since. In fact, his quotes chosen for the OP piece raise SERIOUS questions about whether the meeting in March that busted the Informant
making these claims weren't already very much controlled by Holder and Obama. The Fast and Furious operation that started months later seems very
much in Administration control.
I have one final piece of evidence...since the OP is talking about the broad issues....and *NOT* just
what this one informant stopped knowing
anything about in March of 09.
Memo - ATF Phoenix Field Office - RE Fast and Furious
Hopefully, to help shed a bit more...ahem...logic.....on the topic, this lays out very clearly when and how Fast and Furious came into existence. It
also details how the weapon that shot and killed Agent Brian Terry was a part of the Fast and Furious operation.....and was sold in Jan of 2010.
I shouldn't have just wasted another 30 minutes replying to someone making points that reading the material would have answered...but integrity means
a great deal to some people. Having it challenged..just once in awhile..really gets old when thin air is on offer for support.