@ This is to the thread in general. Those lying tonight know who they are...and it's detestable. I don't do names tho...and it is NOT just one person,
either..so this general open is the best way of putting it. ya knows who ya is.
Hmmm..... It's amazing how rain clouds of misinformation (Not Dis...important distinction) are running all over lately. Little showers of confusion
and chaos... It'd be amusing if it wasn't causing so many open hard feelings and so often here recently.
These come in no particular order..but each has different details to the story and/or link which make them worth citing.
Operation Fast and Furious ran from late 2009 to early 2011, and is part of a still-open larger investigation into the gun-trafficking ring. The
operation’s tactic of not quickly seizing guns and arresting straw buyers in the hope that they would lead investigators to higher-ups in the ring
prompted controversy within the firearms bureau.
(Source: NY Times, July 11
That is based on Testimony from the hearings and not attributed specifically to one or another individual testifying
Reporting from Washington — In March 2010, the No. 2 man at the ATF was deeply worried. His agents had lost track of hundreds of firearms. Some
of the guns, supposed to have been tracked to Mexican drug cartels, were lost right after they cleared the gun stores.
Five months into the surveillance effort — dubbed Operation Fast and Furious — no indictments had been announced and no charges were immediately
expected. Worse, the weapons had turned up at crime scenes in Mexico and the ATF official was worried that someone in the United States could be hurt
(Source: LA Times, Aug 11 2011
Now that testimony about the #2 man at ATF puts the start around December of 2009.
In November 2009, Newell’s agents in “Group 7,” one of the squads in the office, began following a particularly busy suspected gun
trafficker. In 24 days, he bought 34 firearms. The next month, the man and his associates bought 212 more.
The case began to grow exponentially, with more than two dozen suspected straw purchasers. It was named Fast and Furious because the suspects operated
out of a sprawling auto repair shop and raced cars on the streets, like Vin Diesel, the star of the movie.
Washington Post, July
This one decribes the actual origin and start of the operation itself as well as the origin of the name......in 2009.
Now, Newel had been around awhile, and it may help explain some of that misin..err.. simple confusion on some of the basics of dates and such.
Newell, you may know, was the special agent in charge of the Phoenix ATF division, which includes Tucson, from June 2006 to May this year.
Newell had not yet assumed control of the Phoenix division when Wide Receiver began in February 2006, but he was in full control when a second,
probably more prolific phase of the operation began in 2007. This was when Tucson firearms dealer Mike Detty built a case against Carlos Armando
Celaya and associates.
Detty believes Newell was aware that guns were going to Mexico as part of Operation Wide Receiver.
Arizona Daily Star, Oct 12, 2011
Of all I was reading on this, that is the only case of overlap I saw and it comes from an Informant, not an agent.
So... That is Fast and Furious running from 2009 to 2011
. It is what it is, and that's from their own mouths. Multiple instances of
sworn testimony. Wide Receiver preceded Fast and Furious and was similar but definitely NOT the same operation.
U.S. and Mexican map of Cartel routes and coverage by
name and area.
Finally, the above is what this has all caused. The number is up to 50,000 dead civilians now and still climbing. Bush was wrong? Yes... damn skippy
he was. He ought to answer for Ramos and Campion too.....
Obama is the man sitting in the seat NOW though, so he's the man still in a position to do damage with MORE of this insanity. Bush earned a ticket to
a trial..in a perfect world, but Obama goes first. That's life when you sit in his big chair and throw executive priv. around. People start wondering
Good Job to the OP on this..... It's a story they want to see die but the only one who did was Agent Brian Terry. Justice needs done for him.......or
does THAT death not matter? Someone ought to ask Obama about that.
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