Drug Cartel Member Makes Explosive Allegation: ‘Fast and Furious’ Is Not What You Think It Is

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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 07:43 AM
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Considering everything else that this case has dredged up, I certainly cannot rule out the following claim. It makes perfect sense when you consider the remarks and promises made to Mexico by Obama's top brass in the first weeks of administration.


A high-ranking Mexican drug cartel operative currently in U.S. custody is making startling allegations that the failed federal gun-walking operation known as “Fast and Furious” isn’t what you think it is.

It wasn’t about tracking guns, it was about supplying them — all part of an elaborate agreement between the U.S. government and Mexico’s powerful Sinaloa Cartel to take down rival cartels.


So, the Obama administration is now allegedly picking favorites within the Mexican Drug underground. They like to pick favorites in every realm in which they have a hand.


Zambada-Niebla claims that under a “divide and conquer” strategy, the U.S. helped finance and arm the Sinaloa Cartel through Operation Fast and Furious in exchange for information that allowed the DEA, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and other federal agencies to take down rival drug cartels. The Sinaloa Cartel was allegedly permitted to traffic massive amounts of drugs across the U.S. border from 2004 to 2009 as long as the intel kept coming.


Wow!! Let's see where this new information leads. Holder is still not talking..

Congress will apparently get involved after this trial has ended by using all of the evidence presented here.


Based on the alleged agreement ”the Sinaloa Cartel under the leadership of defendant’s father, Ismael Zambada-Niebla and ‘Chapo’ Guzman, were given carte blanche to continue to smuggle tons of illicit drugs into Chicago and the rest of the United States and were also protected by the United States government from arrest and prosecution in return for providing information against rival cartels which helped Mexican and United States authorities capture or kill thousands of rival cartel members,” states a motion for discovery filed in U.S. District Court by Zambada-Niebla’s attorney in July 2011.

A source in Congress, who spoke to TheBlaze on the condition of anonymity, said that some top congressional investigators have been keeping “one eye on the case.” Another two members of Congress, both lead Fast and Furious Congressional investigators, told TheBlaze they had never even heard of the case.

One of the Congressmen, who also spoke to TheBlaze on the condition of anonymity because criminal proceedings are still ongoing, called the allegations “disturbing.” He said Congress will likely get involved once Zambada-Niebla’s trial has concluded if any compelling information surfaces.


Keep your eyes on this!! This needs to come forward BEFORE November.

www.theblaze.com...

Just for reference. From the mouth of Obama


Three and a half years before he invoked executive privilege in refusing to hand over to Congress internal Justice Department documents about Operation Fast and Furious--and just eight days before his inauguration--President-elect Barack Obama met with Mexican President Calderon over lunch at the Mexican Cultural Institute in Washington, D.C., and “pledged” that he would take action aimed at stopping the flow of guns into that country from the United States.

Public statements from both Attorney General Eric Holder and Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano demonstrate that they were both personally working on this issue from their first month in office.



Napolitano told the committee that stopping the southbound flow of guns into Mexico was “going to be of real priority interest over these coming months.”

That same day, Feb. 25, 2009, Attorney General Holder held a press conference in which he discussed a conversation he had had with the Mexican attorney general about guns being smuggled from the U.S. into Mexico. In the same press conference, Holder also highlighted the role of the ATF in stopping the gun smuggling.


Hmmm.... do as I say not as I do....

cnsnews.com...
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 07:52 AM
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I don't think this is new news not that it is important news but I read months ago about this. I can see where our stupid government would do such a thing. I see them doing it all over the world in military conflicts and regime change actions.

The US government has become nothing more than a propaganda machine just like the 2 major political parties!


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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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It's not like the US hasnt done this before.

The enemy of my enemy is my friend. Until they crash a plane into a building.

This could be more than a botched federal investigation and actually be an Iran-Contra right on the border.

Nice.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 07:59 AM
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Wow! If this is true.. and it wouldn't surprise me in the slightest if it was, then it affirms what many of us were speculating about not so long ago.

How many fingers has the white house got exactly? They seem to be in pies all over the shop!
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 08:24 AM
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3 letters come mind.

C I A

nuff said.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 08:36 AM
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I bet they all got a cut of the drug money too, not to mention the additional revenue they gain from imprisoning more drug users in the private owned jails of theirs, making even more money. Its all win win for them until it bites us in the butt like al qaeda did



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 08:37 AM
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Possiblly, Plenty of alphabet agencies come to mind. Who had the most to gain politically from all of this and who works closely with the Obama admin?



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 08:40 AM
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This fits the narrative to a certain extent, the Zetas are the current US base of operations cartel leading the fight to end other competition in Mexico's drug corridor. It makes since that the US, namely Obama, would want to spread the wealth with other competing cartels. In addition using a Machiavellian method of expanding an operation to also include spreading anti-second amendment sentiment through America by pointing at evil gun dealers blaming them for all the problems in Mexico.

The US is involved doing this, weapon's supply, in South, Central, and now Mexico over and over again. The form they, US and cronies states, take usually means having a government send candidates to the School of the Americas at FT Benning, Georgia where they are trained in assassination (it's trade mark program), torture, kid napping, counter intelligence, and other typical methods used in forming hardline oligarchical controlled governments that the US can exploit. Since the late 1990's it's been called Western Hemisphere Institute for Security Cooperation and claiming to have reduced its curriculum to lesser types of programs, yet, the torture and deaths pile up in countries south of the US. The facts are, that the school has produced some of the most prolific drug dealers and they've collaborated with US and international banks making some people very rich and other...well, very dead. Many of the operatives in the Zetas are School of the Americas graduates, and, others like the Sinaloa are learning the same lessons of hiring these same operatives into their cartels.
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 08:46 AM
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Now hold on for just a second there, arming murderous drug cartels and training foreign killers who abuse their own citizens? That sounds like something we'd accuse "terrorist" nations of doing!

What are you, anti-american or something?



Yes, sadly...as others here have already pointed out - there is no new thing under the sun, and this is just a continuation of some of our less noble traditions.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 08:53 AM
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We now know what David Axelrod's ATS username is. Come on, 2004-2009. FAF didn't start until late 2009.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:18 AM
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I do not find this allegation to explosive at all. Our government has always supported this style of "warfare". Bay of pigs , Iran Contra, Afghanistan, im sure the list goes on.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:32 AM
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From the beginning of F&F i have expected something like this to come out.
The US AND Mexico are deeply involved with the SInaloa Cartel.
The corruption goes right to ther very top.
They armed them, to get rid of the Zetas which succeeded from the Sinaloa cartel to form their own group.....
The Sinaloas have been paying off the Goverment officials for a long time, as the biggest established cartel....
They have a very sophisticated operation with resources that would shock the world...
Including repeater stations for communications etc.....
I just hope this guy actually has some verifyable evidence......but hes likely to die soon in custody if he keepstalking.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:33 AM
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Yea, this is not much different when they murdered the President of Panama and made deals with General Noriega, to move Drugs into the US.

If you lived in Cal back in the day, the CIA was producing the best crack around, till someone whacked it. I saw pictures of the stuff in Kilos, looked like pencil erasers that big, out of a machine, perfect. Good ole CIA, I wish I had stayed in school.

Then was Iran, Contra, guns for drugs, the black flights flying out of AK, good ole coke head Clinton. We don't know how the drugs got mixed up with the guns, it must of been a clerical error. You know I just don't remember.

Crooked Politicians, I think their all crooks, along with all he Bankers crooks, hand in hand, but it's legal.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:47 AM
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This is just a dumb-dumb piece of political narrative/theater being sold to the public. These drug cartels are flush with cash, lots of it. Why on earth would they waste time getting guns like this in the first place? Its ludicrous to think so. They could easily buy the guns elsewhere if they had to, which would be easier. And they could also just simply manufacture the guns themselves. Hell there's a village in Pakistan that does this one thing alone, they copy and build guns. If you believe they can't copy and build the guns themselves, you're a fool. And before anyone says you need special training and special materials to build guns, all they have to do is come here and hire some coked up machinists and gun smiths to pull off the job. And again, they have the money for that.
I feel sorry for the dumb fool who made up this whole mess.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:50 AM
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Zambada-Niebla claims that under a “divide and conquer” strategy, the U.S. helped finance and arm the Sinaloa Cartel through Operation Fast and Furious in exchange for information that allowed the DEA, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and other federal agencies to take down rival drug cartels. The Sinaloa Cartel was allegedly permitted to traffic massive amounts of drugs across the U.S. border from 2004 to 2009 as long as the intel kept coming.


The drug cartel member alleges this happened from 2004 to 2009.

That doesn't place the blame just on Holder, that places the blame on former US attorney generals Alberto Gonzalez (2005-2007), Michael Mukasey (2007-2009), a few interim AGs (Paul Clement, Peter Keisler, Mark Filip), all who were the US Attorney General before Holder took office.

It was Gonzalez, the mastermind behind indefinite detention and waterboarding, who created "Project Gunrunner" - which covers "Fast & Furious".

F&F follows Operation Wide Receiver in 2006 to allow guns to cross the border and "lose" them to the cartel.


n early 2011, the operation became controversial when it was revealed that Operation Fast and Furious and previous probes under Project Gunrunner had allowed guns to "walk" into the hands of Mexican drug cartels since as early as 2006.


Who was the USAG that initiated Project Gunrunner and F&F in 2006? Alberto Gonzalez.

ATF gunwalking scandal

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011.[2][5] This was done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[6] "Gun walking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders."[7] The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels.


2006–2008: Operation Wide Receiver and other probes

The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty of Mad Dawg Global informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[27] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[12] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[26] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.


Did you read that Jibeho? 450 guns "lost" to Mexican cartels in 2006.

No outrage, no publicity, no Congressional inquiry over this? Why? Because the Rethuglicans in Congress hushed it up. They WAITED until a Democrat took office to hang it on.

Now your source, A Mexican cartel operative makes an explosive allegation, but look at the dates he gives, 2004-2009. That places everything back into GONZALEZ's lap and his boss, G.W. Bush.

I don't doubt Holder has to continue the coverup, but you are overlooking the true culprit, Gonzalez. The outcry over F&F will remain partisan until the Republicans holding the inquiry start looking at the previous administrations STARRING ROLE in formulating the scandal.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:00 AM
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It only sounds dumb if they didnt get a pass from the USA to smuggle drugs into the country. Guns + secure trade route? Plausible for sure



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:33 AM
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This sounds exactly like the iran/contra deal;it does fit the govt's."modus operandi";
infiltrating the cartels is to be expected. Picking a favorite dog in a fight IS Obama's ( Aulinsky's?)"favoriyte past time.All entirely believable.
Though common reality in the" bare knuckles" world of intelligence it is probably NOT strictly legal .



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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Hmm good post:

So IF they were all doing it and the music stopped at Holder he should receive a pass?

Holder should of' been the first one to investigate and bring charges!

(hmmm why would they cover for the obviously illegal activity from their hated enemies the"rethuglicans"( as you put it) from the previous administration????????????????

Congress should get a whoopin' for negligence:

.But "they did it too! is not a defense!.
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by oxykerfluffle

Zambada-Niebla claims that under a “divide and conquer” strategy, the U.S. helped finance and arm the Sinaloa Cartel through Operation Fast and Furious in exchange for information that allowed the DEA, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) and other federal agencies to take down rival drug cartels. The Sinaloa Cartel was allegedly permitted to traffic massive amounts of drugs across the U.S. border from 2004 to 2009 as long as the intel kept coming.


The drug cartel member alleges this happened from 2004 to 2009.

That doesn't place the blame just on Holder, that places the blame on former US attorney generals Alberto Gonzalez (2005-2007), Michael Mukasey (2007-2009), a few interim AGs (Paul Clement, Peter Keisler, Mark Filip), all who were the US Attorney General before Holder took office.

It was Gonzalez, the mastermind behind indefinite detention and waterboarding, who created "Project Gunrunner" - which covers "Fast & Furious".

F&F follows Operation Wide Receiver in 2006 to allow guns to cross the border and "lose" them to the cartel.


n early 2011, the operation became controversial when it was revealed that Operation Fast and Furious and previous probes under Project Gunrunner had allowed guns to "walk" into the hands of Mexican drug cartels since as early as 2006.


Who was the USAG that initiated Project Gunrunner and F&F in 2006? Alberto Gonzalez.

ATF gunwalking scandal

The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) ran a series of "gunwalking" sting operations[2][3] between 2006[4] and 2011.[2][5] This was done under the umbrella of Project Gunrunner, a project intended to stem the flow of firearms into Mexico by interdicting straw purchasers and gun traffickers within the United States.[6] "Gun walking" or "letting guns walk" was a tactic whereby the ATF "purposely allowed licensed firearms dealers to sell weapons to illegal straw buyers, hoping to track the guns to Mexican drug cartel leaders."[7] The stated goal of allowing these purchases was to continue to track the firearms as they were transferred to higher-level traffickers and key figures in Mexican cartels, with the expectation that this would lead to their arrests and the dismantling of the cartels.


2006–2008: Operation Wide Receiver and other probes

The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty of Mad Dawg Global informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[27] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[12] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[26] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.


Did you read that Jibeho? 450 guns "lost" to Mexican cartels in 2006.

No outrage, no publicity, no Congressional inquiry over this? Why? Because the Rethuglicans in Congress hushed it up. They WAITED until a Democrat took office to hang it on.

Now your source, A Mexican cartel operative makes an explosive allegation, but look at the dates he gives, 2004-2009. That places everything back into GONZALEZ's lap and his boss, G.W. Bush.

I don't doubt Holder has to continue the coverup, but you are overlooking the true culprit, Gonzalez. The outcry over F&F will remain partisan until the Republicans holding the inquiry start looking at the previous administrations STARRING ROLE in formulating the scandal.



I quoted you because what you posted needs to be repeated. I don't want this post to be just bulldozed over.

Can any of you neo-cons explain to me how Holder is responsible for anything from 2005-2009?

I'm no fan of the Obama admin. but let's put the blame where it belongs.
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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Originally posted by 46ACE
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Hmm good post:

So IF they were all doing it and the music stopped at Holder he should receive a pass?

Holder should of' been the first one to investigate and bring charges!( hmmm why would they cover for thee obviously illegal activity from their hated enemies the"rethuglicans"( as you put it)????????????????
Congress should get a whoopin' for negligence:

.But "they did it too! is not a defense!.



This too.

Both left and right want to use this as an opportunity to make the other side look bad, when in reality, they're all culpable.

Mark this one up as another Bush legacy torch, carried on by Obama.
Just like the wars, lack of proper 9/11 investigation, etc..





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