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Red State: OMG. This might just be the moment Mitt Romney lost the election (Andrea Saul blunder)

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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 08:04 AM
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

Considering that this woman had her own insurance after her husband lost his job and the fact that she was diagnosed and died in 2006 long AFTER GST went bankrupt, where does that leave us....??? She was laid off from a different employer in 2002 or 2003 and her husband's job loss had nothing to do with the situation.

She went to the hospital for pneumonia in 2006, was diagnosed with late stage cancer and died TWO weeks later.

That's the story. All in 2006

CNN's Brianna Keilar is reporting that steelworker Joe Soptic's wife was insured through her employer, Savers Thrift Store. She was laid off from her job in 2002 or 2003, Soptic told CNN, at which point she lost her health insurance. So it would appear that Joe Soptic's firing had nothing to do with his wife's health insurance

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Not really a gotcha moment for Obama....

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 08:12 AM
One more thing from the OP source

Romney has said his law worked for Massachusetts but wouldn’t necessarily work in other states. He has pledged to grant every state a waiver from Obama’s law on his first day in office and said he would work to repeal the legislation in its entirety.

Power to the states??? Makes sense considering Romney developed a plan that worked for HIS state. No Federal Mandates required.

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 08:27 AM
Let's just keep the reality train rolling

CBO: Obamacare Will Leave 30 Million Uninsured

A new Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report says that under the Affordable Care Act, a.k.a. Obamacare, 30 million non-elderly Americans will remain without health insurance in 2022.

One of the main arguments the Obama administration made for passing the Affordable Care Act was that it would provide coverage for the uninsured.

Currently, accoriding to CBO, there are 53 million uninsured persons in the United States, including uninsured illegal aliens. The CBO estimates that in 2022--8 years after the Affordable Care Act has been fully implemented--30 million people will remain uninsured.

Moreover, under Obamacare, 8 percent of legal U.S. residents will remain without health insurance in 2022, according to CBO.

The report was done to assess the fiscal impact of the Supreme Court June Obamacare decision.

This is why we want to dismantle Obamacare and start from scratch. Plan it properly for a change. Proper Planning Prevents Piss Poor Performance.

I guess Obama put the cart before the horse. Again!!

On the same day the Supreme Court issued its ruling, President Barack Obama delivered a speech in which he said 30 million Americans presently without health coverage will now have the opportunity to obtain affordable health plans.

“If you’re one of the 30 million Americans who don’t yet have health insurance, starting in 2014, this law will offer you an array of quality, affordable, private health insurance plans to choose from,” said Obama.

Wow!! what a deal...


posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 08:35 AM
How convenient for Obama that he has an opponent who can't oppose him on the most unpopular thing he's done without being hypocritical, hmmm?

How convenient for Obama that this fool who couldn't win a game of checkers seems to be the only person in the country they could come up with to put in this race this year.

Not saying it's rigged or anything.

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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:25 AM

Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

"To that point, if people had been in Massachusetts, under Governor Romney's health care plan, they would have had health care." -- Andrea Saul, Romney campaign spokesperson

If only the Massachusetts Health Care Law was applied nationwide....hmmmm....what a novel idea.

It really sounds like Romney would support a President that would campaign on expanding Massachusets Health Care Law nationwide...doesn't it??? I wonder why he isn't taking that position himself????

Well he runs on repeal and replace, doesnt he? So yeah, why not repeal obamacare and extend what is in massachusets nationwide, or are the 2 the same down to the letter?

Who do the 2 models differ, what are the pros and cons, or are they the same?
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 09:58 AM
reply to post by Cassius666

Yeah...they are pretty much exactly the same.

Romney is running on repeal/replace...except he doesn't have a detailed "replace"...just a very generic and un-specific "replace" plan that includes almost everything that Obamacare has...except the mandate. So all the goodies...but nothing to enforce the payment of all the goodies.

That is why I say it is not a serious plan.

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:06 AM
First,before fooling with Health Care,it would be wise to take the "piss" outof the medical profession.....
The doctors,hospitals and all the medical staff get way overpaid......Perhaps it would be better to start where medical costs begin.......De-mystefy the The whole damn shebang.
These people are providing a any plumber,or garage mechanic....
The whole mess is a ripoff....dont people see the problem?????!
They use this proffesion,and all the related ones to overcharge and impoverish people.
Look Where the REAL MONEY GOES!
Places like BAIN!

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:12 AM
Guy is overreacting. Americans are very polarized these days. If you were casting a ballot for Romney before it won't matter if the guy is on live TV doing a satanic ritual, odds are you will still vote for the guy.

He's got a shot as long as he doesn't pork someone outside of marriage.

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:16 AM

Originally posted by ThreeSistersofLoveandLigh
I think I get the whole issue now, and what Romney's stance on the whole health care issue is, and I think I now understand why. It's not easy to explain but I am going to give a stab at it....

Romney does not want Federal Universal Health Care.

Rather than guess at what Romney believes about Universal Healthcare...why not listen to his words...

Here ...he derides Hillary Clintons healthcare proposal as "Gov Take-over" and then goes on to explain that he strongly supports Universal Healthcare ...

...and details a plan that the GOP proposed at the time as an alternative...the same plan largely instituted as Obamacare...which was once again derided as "Gov Take-over"...the irony.

It seems that "Gov Take-over" is a definition that is contingent on what party passes the plan.

Either way...he is FOR Universal Healthcare

"I support Universal Healthcare! do you get there? By Incentives, changing the rules of insurance and SUBSIDIES"

"I would provide subsidies if you don't qualify for Medicaid or are too poor to purchase insurance"

" I would require every employer to join insurance pools and offer as much as threee different options"

" I am convinced that every American deserves healthcare coverage and ...[we can only combat spiraling costs if everyone has coverage]"

Any of that sound familiar????

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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:18 AM
This is just Romney trying to have it both ways...

Ditto Abortion...Romney's empassioned pro-choice argument.

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:20 AM
Romney is just your average politician who will say anything to get elected. If he had a D behind his name no one who be defending him around here. It's truly laughable.

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:23 AM
reply to post by jibeho

It is not a gotcha moment for Obama, he didn't put out the ad, a superpac did.

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:26 AM
reply to post by muse7

Yes, people who want to save lives are evil.

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:27 AM
reply to post by Blackmarketeer

Not to mention that it basically causes a problem for the whole republican party against healthcare, she basically said that if there was universal healthcare, they would of lived.

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:36 AM
reply to post by nixie_nox

The whole ad as been proven to be bogus. Just as bogus as the denial from Obama's campaign. The featured character in this ad has worked for the WH before and was involved in scripted conference calls back in May.

Don't believe the lies and naivete presented by Obama's official campaign spokespeople.

The Romney campaign ratcheted up its response to the Priorities USA video late Wednesday after Obama aides repeatedly deflected questions about it despite evidence the campaign is quite familiar with the subject.

Deputy Campaign Manager Stephanie Cutter appeared on CNN Wednesday morning to say, among other things, that "I don't know the facts" about the case of Joe Soptic, the steelworker who appeared in the video. In the ad, Soptic, recounts how his wife died of cancer after he lost his health insurance when his plant was shuttered after a takeover by Bain Capital and other companies working with the private equity firm.

Cutter said she didn't know when Soptic's wife fell ill, or about his health insurance.

Yet in May of this year, Cutter herself hosted a conference call in which Soptic detailed his case to reporters. During the call, as he did in the ad, Soptic explained how his wife fell ill after he lost his job, and how he lost his health insurance. The call took place as Soptic began appearing in Obama campaign ads , and was featured in a profile on the Obama campaign website.

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Funny how Obama attempts to hide behind the SuperPACS.
The same day they were caught lying, Obama said this

The president complained about the outside political groups, which often have ties to the presidential campaigns themselves, during a Colorado campaign stop. “You got these guys writing $10 million checks. You got these super PACs that are just … going crazy,” Obama said.

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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:45 AM
reply to post by jibeho

Yea, just like McCain hid behind superpacs when people made ads calling Obama a terrorist?

But that's ok, that's your team right. Oh this is a good morning for laughing at the hypocrites.

Strangely enough the bottom of the OP says the ad was not factually correct, so why are you telling the OP something he knows?

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:52 AM
Well, Romney is a corporatist so it only makes sense that he likes Obamacare.

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:55 AM

Originally posted by MoosKept240
I really like that nick name. "Mittens" it works well and made me laugh, thanks for that.

I'm torn between "Mittens" and "The Romney Unit". Mittens makes him sound useless, but The Romney Unit accentuates his robotic personality.

posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 10:58 AM
reply to post by antonia

You're right. That little part that was edited in. Looks good on paper. Clearly many people around here didn't read it or did they read in the original article or any other article that is capturing headlines in the past two days.

This whole thread is a bust!!

I would fully support the disbanding of all Super PACS if our legislators would lead the way.

Remember this? Specifically Priorities USA is mentioned.

President Barack Obama didn’t disavow his big-money fundraising machine but did voice dismay about the presence of super PACs and negative campaigning in an interview that aired Monday.

“One of the worries we have obviously in the next campaign is that there are so many of these so-called super PACs, these independent expenditures that are gonna be out there,” Obama told NBC’s Matt Lauer in an interview taped before the Super Bowl on Sunday. “There is gonna be just a lot of money floating around, and I guarantee a bunch of it’s gonna be negative.”

Obama has denounced the Supreme Court ruling Citizens United v. Federal Election Commission in 2010 that allowed corporations and unions to spend unlimited amounts of money on political advertisements supporting and opposing candidates.

Two former White House aides have formed a super PAC, Priorities USA Action, which — along with an affiliated nonprofit group — seeks to raise $100 million to support Obama. But so far, Republican groups have dwarfed its funding. In all of 2011, the Priorities groups reported raising $6.7 million, while a single donor, casino owner Sheldon Adelson, has poured $10 million into a super PAC supporting Newt Gingrich.

Obama’s campaign has vowed that neither Obama nor his aides will raise money for super PACs, but the president’s senior campaign staff is now allowing top fundraisers to request that wealthy contributors donate to Priorities USA Action.

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Still waiting for this. Obama continues to run from the economy

He would not say whether he’d meet with the eventual Republican nominee to disavow negative campaigning. But he did say he thinks the negativity of the Republican primary race will be overtaken by a debate over the economy in the general election.

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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 11:00 AM

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by antonia

Clearly many people around here didn't read it or did they read in the original article or any other article that is capturing headlines in the past two days.

Clearly you didn't read it since you brought it up. The subject is not the Ad, you might want to try reading it again.

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