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Over 100 Million Now Receiving Federal Welfare -- The Most Ever !

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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:01 PM
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reply to post by Jean Paul Zodeaux
 


Oh my......

Can I use that response, in my sig?





posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:06 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1

Originally posted by jhn7537
reply to post by PrinceDreamer
 


People need to be way more responsible for when it comes to having kids... If you cant fully support them through the good and possible bad times, you should never have them... Its not fair to them and its not fair to the the citizens of this country who are forced to support them...



I strongly Disagree.

ANYONE can go from having, to needing. Even You.

Many are riding the economic wave, as we speak.


The way I see it, there are many irresponsible adults out there who dont plan to have kids (beacsue they know they cant afford them) but refuse to practice safe sex, and the result of this is poor families having numerous children they cant provide for.... Very rarely do you get an affluent family going from wealthy to welfare poor, so this statement isnt really directed to them... It mainly directed to the people who are barely scraping by and have kids, the way I look at it, its a recipe for disaster, and a huge issue in this country... And if you are living with so much uncertainty in your life, why have a kid? Its honestly not fair to them if you fail to provide for them...

I feel that if you have kids today, you should be in a solid financial situation and you should be prepared to overcome a recession or any other economic hit you may see....



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:13 PM
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Hmmmm...


Wealth?

The middle class, is full of children. They are the ones having to go on welfare, more and more daily. They went thorough their savings, when they lost their Jobs. I see it first hand, unfortunately. They prepared, but what can you do, when a financial Tsunami strikes, and the insurance money, is gone ?



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:17 PM
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The way I see it, there are many irresponsible adults out there who dont plan to have kids (beacsue they know they cant afford them) but refuse to practice safe sex


"Safe sex" is now being conflated with contraceptives and history is ignored. "Safe sex" is a term that was borne out of the AIDS panic, and biologically speaking there is nothing safe about the prevention of fertilization and all species on this planet will not survive without some method of propagation.

It is one thing to make arguments for limiting children in a family, it is another thing entirely to employ the Orwellian tactics of newspeak and call contraceptives "safe sex". Call it unprotected sex if you must, but there is no honesty at all in calling the direct prevention of fertilization "safe sex". It is a tool of propaganda nothing more.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by jhn7537
 


Hmmmm...


Wealth?

The middle class, is full of children. They are the ones having to go on welfare, more and more daily. They went thorough their savings, when they lost their Jobs. I see it first hand, unfortunately. They prepared, but what can you do, when a financial Tsunami strikes, and the insurance money, is gone ?


Well a lot of those middle class people you speak of over-extended themselves... They took out mortgages they couldnt handle, they spend money they dont need to spend, they go into C.C. debt continuing to pay minimums, and then the economy tanks and they all stand there and point fingers...

A person who is responsible, prepared, and lives within their means will typically overcome even the harshest of times...

I think you're giving people today a little too much credit... Many like to talk like they did everything right, but most dont, most spend money unneccessarily, they spend $1.10 for every $1.00 earned...

I think most people act like they were perfect employees, perfect handlers of their money, when in fact they likely were quite the opposite... I feel like if you're truly good at your profession you can always find work, and you dont have to settle for minimum wage jobs...



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Originally posted by Jean Paul Zodeaux
reply to post by jhn7537
 





The way I see it, there are many irresponsible adults out there who dont plan to have kids (beacsue they know they cant afford them) but refuse to practice safe sex


"Safe sex" is now being conflated with contraceptives and history is ignored. "Safe sex" is a term that was borne out of the AIDS panic, and biologically speaking there is nothing safe about the prevention of fertilization and all species on this planet will not survive without some method of propagation.

It is one thing to make arguments for limiting children in a family, it is another thing entirely to employ the Orwellian tactics of newspeak and call contraceptives "safe sex". Call it unprotected sex if you must, but there is no honesty at all in calling the direct prevention of fertilization "safe sex". It is a tool of propaganda nothing more.





Depends on who you ask. There are many species on Earth that, if they possessed the ability to speak English, would describe the world a much safer place with fewer humans on it. And refusing to breed more people with your attitude is one of the few things that might save the future of our planet.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:23 PM
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Still not buying it. Sorry.

You make a decent counterpoint, but in the end, Its not changing the fact, that people are in need, regardless if its by their fault, or some others.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:27 PM
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This CHART may be new, but the information presented certainly isn't news. This chart only follows until Q2 of 2011 (March 31, 2011); this information is almost a year and a half old, and arguably, outdated by now. It's also an interresting hyperbole, at best.

According to this chart, 100 million were ALREADY receiving federal aid through TANF, the Food Stamp program, and SSI as far back as July 1, 2009. This is a 3-year old problem, if you consider the issue to, either realistically or symbolically, have begun at the 100-million mark. I argue that this issue was important well before that (2008, 2007, 2006, and earlier), but it looks more like the point of this thread is to terrify people into voting against Obama (good riddance) in November, so I'll hold my tongue.

The fact remains, this chart skews the numbers to appear more devastating than they might otherwise have been presented. The inescapable truth of this chart is that in just 2 and 1/4 years, federal handouts increased by 10 million recipients, or, roughly the entire population of Los Angeles County. As others have pointed out, the population estimate of the United States is roughly 314,000,000 based on the most recent census. A less terrifying spin on this information could have read that "despite the absolutely abysmal economic conditions that have plagued the US since 2007/08, federal subsidies have only increased by 10.6%, or by a mere 3% of the population of the entire United States."

My point: federal handouts have been increasing quarterly like clockwork according to this chart with a huge surge following the burst of both the mortgage and finance bubbles. Frankly, I'm surprised that the numbers aren't higher, given the current economic conditions. Conversely, I could present you with the charts contained in the link below showing that the average monthly amount of federal aid awarded to TANF families is at its lowest point since the program's inception in 1962, but you probably wouldn't be interested in looking at that...

aspe.hhs.gov...


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edit on 9-8-2012 by preezy120 because: spelling

edit on 9-8-2012 by preezy120 because: US population figure incorrectly reported



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:28 PM
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Originally posted by sonnny1
reply to post by jhn7537
 


Still not buying it. Sorry.

You make a decent counterpoint, but in the end, Its not changing the fact, that people are in need, regardless if its by their fault, or some others.


Ultimately, those who are struggling are to blame (to a certain degree) and the times we are living in are also to blame... We are living in interesting times for sure, and with so much uncertainty today, I just feel that its really ballsy to over-extend yourself by taking out a big mortgage or starting a family.. People need to be careful, because like a mortgage, kids are also VERY expensive...

We are witnessing "the perfect" economic storm....

And I do feel for those who are struggling. Thats no way to live your life, and I know that most (probably 90%) arent proud or happy to be collecting from welfare... Hopefully things can get turned around soon so people can start living more productive lives where they're happy...
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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Depends on who you ask. There are many species on Earth that, if they possessed the ability to speak English, would describe the world a much safer place with fewer humans on it. And refusing to breed more people with your attitude is one of the few things that might save the future of our planet.


You only illustrate my point about propaganda. If your cause is so just why defend the use of dishonest language? In terms of "refusing to breed" more people like me, you and others, with an apparent inability to employ critical thought, suggests this refusal to breed such has long been underway.

Carry on, go back to trying to teach aphids to speak English.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:32 PM
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That is the thing those with regards to safe sex no child support and those social programs they would get more cash that someone else would have to pay.

The gold digger syndrome,sugar daddy and for the guys who believe in that the john kerry complex who married money/
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:34 PM
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I get you are looking hard for a job, but it's obviously not working out well. I am not saying this to be snide but the advice you are getting here is kind of dumb. Revamping your resume isn't going to make people hire you. Can you clean? Got cleaning stuff? Flyer an area accessible to you on foot. Bake cookies and sell em. Is there something crafty and unique you do? Put it on etsy and make a little money. Walk dogs, paint rooms, clean house windows for people. Don't wait for a job or you will end up like everyone else here. Heck, My aunt suki sells tamales and makes more in a month than most people at taco bell. There is some skill you have that can make you some money. Look around your home for things you don't use and put them on ebay. If you get the hang of ebay you can actually make more money selling crap on there than an actual job.

The old idea of getting a job is fast becoming outdated.
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posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:38 PM
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Originally posted by antonia
reply to post by sarra1833
 


I get you are looking hard for a job, but it's obviously not working out well. I am not saying this to be snide but the advice you are getting here is kind of dumb. Revamping your resume isn't going to make people hire you. Can you clean? Got cleaning stuff? Flyer an area accessible to you on foot. Bake cookies and sell em. Is there something crafty and unique you do? Put it on etsy and make a little money. Walk dogs, paint rooms, clean house windows for people. Don't wait for a job or you will end up like everyone else here. Heck, My aunt suki sells tamales and makes more in a month than most people at taco bell. There is some skill you have that can make you some money. Look around your home for this you don't use and put them on ebay. If you get the hang of ebay you can actually make more money selling crap on their than an actual job.


What it comes down to is education and job history... If you have those two things a resume is definitely important and its DEFINITELY important to update it as often as possible... Take it from someone who deals with them all the time with hiring people (in the corp world), its important...



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:42 PM
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I get having a resume, but this obviously isn't going to make people hire you if they aren't hiring. Her problem is no one near her is hiring. Time for a different strategy.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 01:56 PM
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I put up my few video games for consoles i dont have anymore (also no tv so that would be moot anyway, haha). And I do past life readings and tarot but the economy has it so people can't afford those 'luxuries' anymore either. I can paint (as in houses) but it'd be hard to walk the stuff as I have no car xD. but house cleaning, there's an idea and a half right there. I think /think/ most people would let you use their stuff they already have. it's worth a shot at any rate. Thank you! Idea bubbles are a godsend to me in every way, shape and form.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 02:27 PM
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Well here is one step that I think all states should do if they havent already, having worked at a liquor store I seen first hand the losers that wrongfully used aid for self destructive means and entertainment rather than necessity.

Taking aim at what they call an abuse of the taxpayers' money, a growing number of states are blocking welfare recipients from spending their benefits on booze, cigarettes, lottery tickets, casino gambling, tattoos and strippers.

s ource



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 03:10 PM
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Originally posted by sarra1833
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I put up my few video games for consoles i dont have anymore (also no tv so that would be moot anyway, haha). And I do past life readings and tarot but the economy has it so people can't afford those 'luxuries' anymore either. I can paint (as in houses) but it'd be hard to walk the stuff as I have no car xD. but house cleaning, there's an idea and a half right there. I think /think/ most people would let you use their stuff they already have. it's worth a shot at any rate. Thank you! Idea bubbles are a godsend to me in every way, shape and form.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 03:15 PM
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It is much easier to just criminalize the poor.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 03:17 PM
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You don't have any touch with reality.



posted on Aug, 9 2012 @ 03:21 PM
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Ebay now only wants to cater to stores, not people who need to make a few bucks selling grandma's lamp. So much so that they have almost priced out the individual seller.

I used to be an ebay seller and had to quit because allt he fees they kept tacking on cut into any profit I made.

So you have to become a store and make it a full time job. But look how many corporations are on there now.

Then since it is the Great Recession, no one is buying.

and that goes to anything else that you can sell...no one is buying.







 
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