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Originally posted by SadButTrue
He's doing what every other crony politician is doing.... re-doing his taxes to make it look like he doesn't take as many loopholes as he did. This is the way it works with these types. I'd take every loophole too, and if you don't, you're a sucker. Yeah let's demonize hime because he didn't want to giver more millions to our corrupt government, yeah!
So a guy that has been in politics for years and has run for president among other positions is not gonna pay taxes. That alone is pure ignorance if anyone thinks that.
Simple as I said a million times: He used loopholes that will make him look bad since it a bad thing to be rich in America because we have so many entitlement loser and jealous people. It's the truth.
Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by SadButTrue
Why ignore the whole thing that his taxes would show if he committed fraud (lying on federal documents about his position in Bain) or not? Why keep going about about loopholes?
Originally posted by miniatus
You didn't use the quote system right so let me piece this together.. gonna take me a minute ..
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Why? because people will make a big deal out of the loopholes that all them would exploit too. Simple as that.
Simple as that why? that makes NO sense... there shouldn't BE loopholes.. are you suggesting we should let Romney off the hook just to hide those loop holes so nobody else but the wealthy who know about them can? that's a completely horrible response.. I hope you clarify because that was crap.
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Quit putting words into my mouth. He used loopholes, and I don't like him. I just get tired of hearing hearsay from MSM lap dogs. He's was a governor prior! You actually believe a guy like that is gonna not pay taxes? He has enemies too ya know?
I'm not putting words into your mouth, I don't have to .. you're doing a great job at debating on your own .. I don't have to do anything .. You're back on loopholes.. I asked you about Obama auditing him and you replied earlier that I didn't know politics and if I don't know you won't tell me .. well I'm asking and you're living up to your word on not replying.. you're talking about MSM lap dogs .. Yes I believe he wouldn't pay taxes.. I said that already.. I'm still saying it .. My point REMAINS.. if he's got nothing to hide.. why not just shut us up and reveal the taxes.. you've given absolutely nothing valuable to that question as a response.
Originally posted by SadButTrue
It's common sense, the only thing he has to hide are the loopholes that people like you would make into a big deal, when really, you would do the same thing.
Even if that is some how common sense ( care to explain how that's common sense?.. it's not ) ... LOOPHOLES ARE NOT GOOD .. you're defending the right of the richest to abuse our tax code, and you're suggesting for some weird reason that those loopholes should remain hidden to the poorer folks.. are you absolutely seriously saying that? because that's EXACTLY how it reads..
Originally posted by miniatus
Originally posted by SadButTrue
He's doing what every other crony politician is doing.... re-doing his taxes to make it look like he doesn't take as many loopholes as he did. This is the way it works with these types. I'd take every loophole too, and if you don't, you're a sucker. Yeah let's demonize hime because he didn't want to giver more millions to our corrupt government, yeah!
So a guy that has been in politics for years and has run for president among other positions is not gonna pay taxes. That alone is pure ignorance if anyone thinks that.
Simple as I said a million times: He used loopholes that will make him look bad since it a bad thing to be rich in America because we have so many entitlement loser and jealous people. It's the truth.
You know, I don't think even Romney would want you defending him at this point.... if you were his lawyer in court, he would be locked up before the trial was over.
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Oh gosh........ the loopholes are there, if you don't wanna take them, don't, but don't blame someone else for using them. It's a rat race bro, he's given more money in taxes than you'll ever pay in 5 lifetimes. That's why I don't care. All you have to do is hire an accountant, it's not some creepy dark secret, any good accountant knows them, sorry you can't pick up a phone and call an accountant.
HE DOES HAVE STUFF TO HIDE!!!!!!! FOR THE 30th time.... the LOOPHOLES!!!
Loopholes aren't good, and shame on those people wanting to keep more of there money, damn those people are greedy! He should just give 80% of his money to the government, that would please all the poor people.
Originally posted by miniatus
Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by SadButTrue
Why ignore the whole thing that his taxes would show if he committed fraud (lying on federal documents about his position in Bain) or not? Why keep going about about loopholes?
His point about loopholes seems to, and he's gone this route more than once, that if people know about the loopholes they'd make a big deal out of it and use them themselves..
So he's essentially saying.. let Romney hide the loopholes he's abused so that we don't freak out and try to use them ourselves.. in OTHER words.. lets let the rich keep those loopholes and lets make sure the middle class or lower class NEVER hear about them..
His concern isn't ooh lets fix those loopholes so the whole thing is fair.. it's hide them so that nobody else knows
Originally posted by SadButTrue
[Except that he hasn't done anything illegal therefore he wouldn't be in court. Cmon you can do better than that.
Imagine that --> A gut who has committed tax fraud for 10 yrs decides to run for prez so every detail of this life can be examined, and when he realized that he says "oh, I didn't know they would check my taxe returns etc," and ends up in jail for 10 yrs. That's realistic, lol.
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Or................ it's too late so why worry about it now, it's legal, maybe not ethical, but that's neither here no there. No use whining about something like that.
Originally posted by miniatus
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Oh gosh........ the loopholes are there, if you don't wanna take them, don't, but don't blame someone else for using them. It's a rat race bro, he's given more money in taxes than you'll ever pay in 5 lifetimes. That's why I don't care. All you have to do is hire an accountant, it's not some creepy dark secret, any good accountant knows them, sorry you can't pick up a phone and call an accountant.
HE DOES HAVE STUFF TO HIDE!!!!!!! FOR THE 30th time.... the LOOPHOLES!!!
Loopholes aren't good, and shame on those people wanting to keep more of there money, damn those people are greedy! He should just give 80% of his money to the government, that would please all the poor people.
So you're defending his decision so that he can continue to hide the loop holes, you said "if you don't want to take them, don't" but in previous posts you're saying he doesn't release them so people won't KNOW about them because everyone would use them.. do you see how that doesn't make sense? .. you're saying it's our fault for not using them.. and saying he's good for not releasing them so we can't know about them.. that is insane talk.
You think he's hiding his taxes purely for the loopholes.. I personally think it's deeper than that... he stands to face felony charges for fraud on the whole Bane topic .. there's documents filed that flat out point to fraud and only his tax filings could clear him of that.. and next, the whole topic of has he been paying at all .. I still say that's a solid possibility .. and you've given jack all to refute that other than why would a person in his position not .. which doesn't say much.. a person in his position would be better able to not.
try again..
Originally posted by miniatus
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Or................ it's too late so why worry about it now, it's legal, maybe not ethical, but that's neither here no there. No use whining about something like that.
Ok so your point is we need to rally behind the unethical president... GO TEAM UNETHICAL!
You're just not helping Romney at all
Originally posted by SadButTrue
People without assets i.e. land, equipment, property, stocks, retirement plans, etc...... can't take full advantage of the taxing system because they MAINLY don't pay that much into it. This is obvious stuff guys, to most people. The more you own, the more you pay, the more chances you have to use the tax system to it's fullest, but you also pay A LOT MORE than the average joe. It's not your fault for not using them, it's you incomes fault(which we can blame Obama for that because it wasn't you that did that, it was someone else's fault).
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Originally posted by miniatus
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Or................ it's too late so why worry about it now, it's legal, maybe not ethical, but that's neither here no there. No use whining about something like that.
Ok so your point is we need to rally behind the unethical president... GO TEAM UNETHICAL!
You're just not helping Romney at all
The thread is about his taxes, not a candidate.
I'm not trying to help Romney lol, (full disclosure, i'm a libertarian) I have issues with the tax loopholes and I'd use them because fundamentally I believe the government taxes too much too oftenedit on 8-8-2012 by SadButTrue because: added
Originally posted by miniatus
Originally posted by SadButTrue
People without assets i.e. land, equipment, property, stocks, retirement plans, etc...... can't take full advantage of the taxing system because they MAINLY don't pay that much into it. This is obvious stuff guys, to most people. The more you own, the more you pay, the more chances you have to use the tax system to it's fullest, but you also pay A LOT MORE than the average joe. It's not your fault for not using them, it's you incomes fault(which we can blame Obama for that because it wasn't you that did that, it was someone else's fault).
Taxes on land, equipment, property, stocks, retirement .. is common, those aren't loopholes.. I pay taxes on land, equipment, property, retirement.. not stocks... those are not even what is at play ..
We're talking much deeper things, like what he did with bane.. filtering money through a small country to avoid paying taxes locally .. Romney is shrewd.. he knows how to filter his money to avoid paying .. these are not common taxes like the list you just rattled off ...
You really don't know what you're on about, do you? .. I'll be back.edit on 8/8/2012 by miniatus because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by miniatus
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Originally posted by miniatus
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Or................ it's too late so why worry about it now, it's legal, maybe not ethical, but that's neither here no there. No use whining about something like that.
Ok so your point is we need to rally behind the unethical president... GO TEAM UNETHICAL!
You're just not helping Romney at all
The thread is about his taxes, not a candidate.
I'm not trying to help Romney lol, (full disclosure, i'm a libertarian) I have issues with the tax loopholes and I'd use them because fundamentally I believe the government taxes too much too oftenedit on 8-8-2012 by SadButTrue because: added
OH sorry.. you're defending the man as a person.. not as a future leader of the free world .. we shouldn't care about the man as a human or what morals he has.. that's all silly talk right? ..
Keep it coming..
Originally posted by SadButTrue
I don't know your level of knowledge on the subject, so I was trying to keep it simple. The point is, there are a ton of loopholes and he probably just used every single one. While you guys are jumping to conclusions I prefer to keep an open mind on the subject and let American's be innocent until proven guilty.
While your defense is he's an elite, yet his enemies are in office and would use anything they can do derail his chances. But, somehow they can't come up with the most important thing, proof. Like I said, if he did commit fraud it will come out, if he didn't then there will be talk of it for the rest of the election.... like we are now, wasting time about a subject that was created to divert from the real issues. That is why I wrote this thread, because it's a diversion that everyone has jumped on. It's a waste of time.
Originally posted by SadButTrue
Try to keep up man, this isn't about any of that, it's about how "used" all you MSM people are. You don't even realize it! It's about NO PROOF, just a few talking points and he's a criminal tax evader and all of you know it's true!
It's about ATS members believing and repeating everything they hear on MSM. It's about, who cares if he used and abused the tax system. If he committed fraud, he'll get caught.
edit on 8-8-2012 by SadButTrue because: (no reason given)