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"When Pilate, upon hearing him accused by men of the highest standing amongst us, had condemned him to be crucified. . . ."
Josephus, Antiquities 18.64. Josephus in Ten Volumes, vol. 9, Jewish Antiquities, Loeb Classical Library Louis H. Feldman, trans. (Cambridge, Mass.: Harvard University Press, 1981).
"Nero fastened the guilt [of the burning of Rome] and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus."
Tacitus, Annals 15.44 (c. A.D. 115).
"The Christians, you know, worship a man to this day-the distinguished personage who introduced their novel rites, and was crucified on that account."
Lucian of Samosata, The Death of Peregrine, 11-13 (c. mid-second century).
"on the eve of the Passover Yeshu was hanged."(12)- Yeshu is Joshua in Hebrew. The equivalent in Greek is lesous (13) or Jesus. Being hung on a tree was used to describe crucifixion in antiquity.(14)
12. Talmud, Sanhedrin 43a (probably late second century). It should be noted that Jewish writings of antiquity never denied the existence, miracles, and execution of Jesus. See John P. Meier, A Marginal Jew: Rethinking the Historical Jesus, 3 vols. (New York: Doubleday, 1991-2001), 1:96-97.
13. Pronounced "ee-ay-soos."
14. Livy 1:26:6ff; Luke 23:39; Galatians 3:13.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
Must you define others by their differences?
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
I am indeed. You are calling another faith false because it does not agree with your own personal view of the world. That's arrogant.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
Because if the Bible says it, it HAS to be true, right? You'll burn for all of eternity if you don't believe every word printed in this man-made book! I'm going to write a brand new Bible under the influence of a "divine being" and completely tear down everything in the OT and the NT, and you'll HAVE to believe me because "God" inspired me to write it. You can't prove me wrong, can you? Because as long as I claim to be under the influence of a "divine being", that guarantees the validity of every word I write, yes? Or is it only true as long as it agrees with the other books? With what YOU believe, or what THEY believe...
Wrong. The Bible does not claim that the earth is spherical. Ancient Hebrew cosmology held that there was a primordial ocean, and that God created land from primeval chaotic matter. The concept of earth as a planet among other planets in a solar system did not exist in the Bible.
Wiki Source
The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC, but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given. The Hellenistic paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages. A practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was achieved by Ferdinand Magellan and Juan Sebastian Elcano's expedition's circumnavigation (1519−1521).
The concept of a spherical Earth displaced earlier beliefs in a flat Earth: In early Mesopotamian mythology, the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean and surrounded by a spherical sky, and this forms the premise for early world maps like those of Anaximander and Hecataeus of Miletus. Other speculations on the shape of Earth include a seven-layered ziggurat or cosmic mountain, alluded to in the Avesta and ancient Persian writings (see seven climes), or a wheel, bowl, or four-cornered plane alluded to in the Rigveda.
Originally posted by AugustusMasonicus
Originally posted by JesuitGarlic
Wrong. The concept of galaxies is not found in the Bible. Again, the Bible writers had no concept of the existence of "outer space".
Job 38:31 Can you bind the chains of the Pleiades, Or loose the cords of Orion?
circa 2000 B.C
Neither the Pleiades or Orion are galaxies, they are constellations of stars within our own galaxy.
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
Mind definitively proving he said that without using the Bible? You can't because that's the only book that claims God's existence as you guys see it. How do YOU know he said that other than by reading through a third person? There is absolutely know way of knowing he said that.
www.ellenwhiteexposed.com...
Posh Multi-Million-Dollar Estate - The last fifteen years of Mrs. White's life were spent at Elmshaven, her elegant ranch home in the exclusive Napa Valley area near San Francisco in Northern California. While the estate was purchased for a bargain $5,000 (over $100,000 in today's dollars), if the property were sold today, the beautifully furnished mansion and 74-acre estate would possibly be valued at up to ten million dollars.6 In addition to the mansion, the property included:
A two-story office building with library and vault
Two cottages used as living quarters for her staff
A barn and stable stocked with livestock and equipment
Contradicts plain Bible teachings
Mrs. White frequently exhorted her followers to fill the church's coffers with their hard-earned money. As we have seen earlier, James and Ellen both received a minister's salary which was paid from tithe. Mrs. White's sons also earned ministerial salaries. Therefore, Mrs. White had a vested interest in giving specific instructions that tithe money was to be used exclusively for the gospel ministry:
"The tithe is set apart for a special use. It is not to be regarded as a poor fund. It is to be especially devoted to the support of those who are bearing God's message to the world; and it should not be diverted from this purpose."16
Mrs. White said tithe was not to go to the poor. She wanted to horde all the tithe money for Seventh-day Adventist ministers, but what does the Bible teach about tithe money?
"At the end of three years thou shalt bring forth all the tithe of thine increase the same year, and shalt lay [it] up within thy gates: And the Levite, (because he hath no part nor inheritance with thee,) and the stranger, and the fatherless, and the widow, which [are] within thy gates, shall come, and shall eat and be satisfied; that the LORD thy God may bless thee in all the work of thine hand which thou doest."17
The Bible instructs the Israelites to save up their tithe for three years, and then disburse it amongst the Levites, foreign visitors, orphans, and widows. Doesn't this sound like a "poor fund" to you? Of course it was! A portion was to go to the ministers (the Levites), but the people were also commanded by God to share their tithe money with those who were poor and could not support themselves. When it came to money, it is clear that Mrs. White put the mighty dollar above God's law.
For myself, I don't think Ellen White has a lock on truth, just as Jesus [Jesuit] Garlic doesn't have such a lock.
What we have here is Theosophy spilling evolutionary theory which is devoid of any scientific evidence
we have theosophist here unable to participate in any discussion related to scientific and historical realities and having complete tunnel vision
unfortunately, the proof of the pudding is in the eating and such 'intellectual' prowess seems to be totally lacking from those representing the Theosophical camp.
Perhaps when they can argue why 95% of the fossil record are marine invertebrates and why CE4 experiences are stopped by calling out the name of Jesus only then someone might choose to give them a sniff ...
Perhaps I will direct you to this Youtube video that was placed on to the end of the latest weekly post by Ben Fulford.
So now you attempt to bolster Ellen White's reputation using Fulford? That's rich. There are a lot of people about there spreading lies, and there are some spreading truth.
This important message was delivered to a Protestant group that was given a name “Adventist” and specifically “Seventh-day Adventist.”... In this vision she reportedly saw the “Advent people” traveling a high and dangerous path towards the city of New Jerusalem [heaven]. Their path was lit from behind by “a bright (light)...which an angel told me was the midnight cry.”
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The Heaven-sent name Seventh-day Adventist was shown to her in a vision to be “a standing rebuke to the Protestant world.” In addition, she writes that “the conflict is between the requirements of GOD and the requirements of the beast of the Papal institution which directly contradicts the fourth commandment, and is symbolized as a two horned beast.
(The Shaking: Throwing off the residual trash of Romanism, P.3)
This document presents evidence for the awaited Mahdi as an Elijah being a true Adventist and a guardian of the ancient Book of Questions, the Kharsan. The proper clarification or re-interpretation of certain Scriptures was foretold: This is confirmed by the writings of the Adventist visionary Ellen Gould Harmon-White
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Adventist visionary Ellen Gould Harmon-White writes regarding the communion meal: “Our happiness and salvation depend upon eating the bread of life; that is, obeying the words and doing the works of Christ, advancing righteousness and restraining unrighteousness.
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The Gospel record regarding the public sentencing of the Messiah to the death penalty was done by the Roman emperors at the urging of the Edomite priesthood44 because of his insistence that the idolatrous customs of Edom-Rome were contrary to the witness of the original Torah and Prophets...
(The Shaking: Throwing off the residual trash of Romanism, P.7)
The death of the King Messiah Yahshuah by way of crucifixion was declared by the Messiah in his prayer...
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The witness of the People of the Book is earnest and with proper interpretation and with a distinct prophetic message.
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Why is it significant for the witness that Adventists are the “people of the book?” According to the witness of a prominent Islamic leader, he was shown the following in a vivid dream three times: Transcript: “A Sydney, Australia based sheikh, stated that Allah had given him a vision about Adventists. He had made contact with lay Adventists; now he was asking to meet with leaders from the General Conference of Seventh-day Adventists. With just the two of us sitting together in his sitting room, almost immediately he put a question to me point-blank: “Do you believe in the second coming of Jesus?” “Yes,” I replied. “When do you think Jesus will come?” “Soon.” “Yes, but how soon?” “Soon. We Adventists do not try to set a date for the Second Coming, but we think it will be soon.” “Do you think Jesus will come during this century?” “I don’t know. Jesus may come much sooner than many people, Adventists included, expect.” “I believe that Jesus will come during this century,” he said. “In the holy writings I find a series of signs that indicate when He is to come, and almost all the signs have been fulfilled already.” “Sir,” I asked, “is it true that you received a vision about Seventh-day Adventists?” “Not one, but three,” he replied. “All three had the same message: Seventh-day Adventists are the true People of the Book. Adventists already are Allah’s people, so do not try to convert them. Instead, work with them.”
(The Shaking: Throwing off the residual trash of Romanism, P.8)
The true meaning of Adventism is the restoration of true worship... It is with URGENT pleading, people prepare yourself for the Day of Judgment has come upon the world! Warning: Do not embrace the Edom-Roman agenda of the One World Order and the SUNday laws of idolatry! Cleanse your houses of worship of all idolatry placed of the bloody wicked hands of Edom-Rome! Do start the Messiah’s Meal to dip the bread into the pure grape juice as taught by patriarch Abraham and each of the patriarchs and prophets and allow GOD to fight for His people. It is time for the healing to begin! (The Shaking: Throwing off the residual trash of Romanism, P.10)
I also believe that SOME discovered this information a very long time ago, and kept if for themselves, forming Secret Societies to keep the secrets safe. These societies became what is today known collectively as the Illuminati/New World Order/Round Table Group/Council on Foreign Relations.
The big question to me is why do them want to kill us all? Why do they foster hate and loathing among the peoples of Earth, and set them fighting each other at all times?
No, you are not wrong to walk your pat; but to attempt to drag others onto your personal path is wrong, in my opinion.