It looks like you're using an Ad Blocker.
Please white-list or disable AboveTopSecret.com in your ad-blocking tool.
Some features of ATS will be disabled while you continue to use an ad-blocker.
Originally posted by network dude
reply to post by Pinocchio
I think the idea of Theosophy is to TRY to understand God's work, while knowing that we might never truly UNDERSTAND it. Just like we can TRY to be perfect, but we know that is un-obtainable. Just like so many other things in life, the journey is where the lessons come from. (IMHO)
Originally posted by VeritasAequitas
reply to post by JesuitGarlic
Is the symbol of the Fish not a reference to Pisces? Is the Fish not a symbol of Christianity???
The pre-Christian history of the fish symbol:
The fish symbol has been used for millennia worldwide as a religious symbol associated with the Pagan Great Mother Goddess. It is the outline of her vulva. The fish symbol was often drawn by overlapping two very thin crescent moons. One represented the crescent shortly before the new moon; the other shortly after, when the moon is just visible. The Moon is the heavenly body that has long been associated with the Goddess, just as the sun is a symbol of the God.
The link between the Goddess and fish was found in various areas of the ancient world: In China, Great Mother Kwan-yin often portrayed in the shape of a fish.
In India, the Goddess Kali was called the "fish-eyed one"
In Egypt, Isis was called the Great Fish of the Abyss
In Greece the Greek word "delphos" meant both fish and womb. The word is derived from the location of the ancient Oracle at Delphi who worshipped the original fish goddess, Themis. The later fish Goddess, Aphrodite Salacia, was worshipped by her followers on her sacred day, Friday. They ate fish and engaging in orgies. From her name comes the English word "salacious" which means lustful or obscene. Also from her name comes the name of our fourth month, April. In later centuries, the Christian church adsorbed this tradition by requiring the faithful to eat fish on Friday - a tradition that was only recently abandoned.
In ancient Rome Friday is called "dies veneris" or Day of Venus, the Pagan Goddess of Love.
Throughout the Mediterranean, mystery religions used fish, wine and bread for their sacramental meal.
In Scandinavia, the Great Goddess was named Freya; fish were eaten in her honor. The 6th day of the week was named "Friday" after her.
In the Middle East, the Great Goddess of Ephesus was portrayed as a woman with a fish amulet over her genitals.
The fish symbol:
"... was so revered throughout the Roman empire that Christian authorities insisted on taking it over, with extensive revision of myths to deny its earlier female-genital meanings...Sometimes the Christ child was portrayed inside the vesica, which was superimposed on Mary's belly and obviously represented her womb, just as in the ancient symbolism of the Goddess." 4 Another author writes: "The fish headdress of the priests of Ea [a Sumero-Semitic God] later became the miter of the Christian bishops."
The symbol itself, the eating of fish on Friday and the association of the symbol with deity were all taken over by the early Church from Pagan sources. Only the sexual component was deleted.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Pinocchio
No man on Earth, present or past, has a mind great enough to understand and explain the mysteries of the universe in their entirety. As much as we may wish to pretend that we hold some inkling of the answer, we can't truly know at this time.
Accept this, and you're on your way.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Pinocchio
You make far too many assumptions, my friend. Disinterested? Hardly. Confused by your lack of coherent explanation? Yes. Not needing of your particular understanding? To deny any understanding is to narrow the road of the mind.
As I understand it, you are trying to be funny in declaring females to be the greater paradox of the ages. This is off-topic, so forgive me if I don't pursue that line of humor.
Can you explain more clearly the point you're attempting to make? A little less condescension would be helpful too.
Without further a do...
My posts were directed to another ATS member.
edit on 20-8-2012 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Give me a few days and I will try gather together some info on how the Jesuits were behind the orchestration of the American civil war just like WW1, WW2 and other revolutions of dictators suggested.
II. New Jerusalem Covenant Project
"Sometime between 1985-2010, the following scenario will unfold, depending only on the right set of circumstances:
* Moslem and Jewish areas in Jerusalem will be combined with Christian to create the New Jerusalem Covenant
* All religions will convene to celebrate three (3) religious festivals simultaneously..."
[I am skipping the part where these festivals are outlined]
"Thus, when the three religious conferences and the three political/business conferences are simultaneously held, a grand merger of all forces will occur world-wide that will move the world in any desired direction."
"Then, and only then, will it be possible to build a combination Temple/Church/Mosque in Jerusalem."
"any purely political settlement in the Middle East would not, by itself, bring peace. In other words, a purely political settlement would leave the religious nature of the problem unsolved."
"Any permanent solution to the Middle East conflict would also have to see the religious portion of the problem solved. Once this religious problem is solved, then the power and influence of the Orthodox Jews in Israel would permanently decline."
"The impetus toward this type of settlement is made possible only because of a general fear of war. This fear of war must be maintained until the desired political and religious changes have been instituted."
"At the proper moment in history, the Pope will visit the combined Jewish/Christian/Moslem sector of Jerusalem to announce that all religions should be combined into one. This action will then finally break the Middle East logjam."
III. Review of the Establishment of the New World Order
"Energies want to flow from the Hierarchy to earth to produce the physical manifestation of the Christ; but, such flow can only occur when humanity raises its collective consciousness to be properly awakened receptors." (Page 617-618, Externalisation of the Hierarchy, paraphrased by Mr. Lambert)
At this point, I raised my hand to ask Mr. Lambert, 'You spoke earlier about the Pope going to Jerusalem; when Lord Maitreya makes his appearance, there will be three types of people:
1. Those whose consciousness has been properly raised so they can readily accept him;
2. Those whose consciousness has been raised somewhat but not so high that they can readily
and immediately accept him, but they might be able to accept him after further enlightenment;
3. Those who will never accept him.'
I continued: 'What responsibility do the leaders of the world's religions have toward those members of their flock who are of group number two? Will they step forward to publicly urge group number two people to accept the Christ?'
Bill's answer was that the acceptance of the Christ was completely an individual affair.
I then tried again to get Bill to state that one of the leaders of the world's religion would step forward to play the role of the Biblical False Prophet. I said, 'Back to the Pope for a moment, Bill. You stated that, at the right moment, the Pope would go to Jerusalem. Surely the Pope is a proper receptor to the Christ'
At this point, Bill nodded his head affirmatively that the Pope was a proper receptor to the Christ. This is the most direct acknowledgement by a influential person involved in the planning for the appearance of Christ that the current Pope is ready and waiting for the appearance of The Christ. This acknowledgement also points to the Roman Catholic Pope as the False Prophet, because Bill stated, very pointedly, that the preparation for the New World Order religion was being paved by the Ecumenical Movement, which is being spear-headed by the Pope.
Bill then explained the fate of those members of Group #3, those whose personal consciousness was not now, nor could ever be, raised sufficiently to accept the Christ. Bill likened them to a person who had spent his entire life in a totally darkened room. If a sudden, intense light were to shine into this room, the person's eyes would not be able to endure the light. The person would try to flee the light and go into another room which was dark. Persons of Group #3 will "elect to leave for another room". (Lambert's exact words)
At this point, I raised my hand and asked, 'How do these people do this, Bill? No one can simply declare his spirit to leave this world. Do these people commit suicide?' Bill answered emphatically, "NO". He said, "I do not know how it will happen, but these people will leave this dimension."
D.K. (one of Alice Bailey's Guiding Spirits) has revealed that, "when the Christ comes forward, he will establish his throne on earth. However, the door where evil dwells must be kept shut." D.K. identifies this evil as being the "lowest level of human nature where we tap into our primal, base nature."
[the note-taker's own interpretation next which is in line with the above statements and I agree with in what it means]
In other words, this evil consists of the members of Group #3, whose consciousness has not and cannot be properly raised so they can be proper receptors of the Christ, i.e., born-again Christians.
VI. "UFO's and Aliens are part of the New World Order.
They are benevolent beings which will aid mankind in attaining the goal of becoming one humanity. They will appear at the proper time to enable mankind to make that Quantum Leap of Collective Consciousness -- when the Anti-Christ appears."
VII. "Super-Natural Capabilities Of The Anti-Christ
Then, Mr. Lambert revealed that, "when Lord Maitreya appears, he will appear as different beings to different people.
* He will appear as a man to a man and as a woman to a woman.
* He will appear as a white to a white, as a black to a black, as an Indian to an Indian, etc."