Watch what happens when Guns are banned in Australia

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posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 10:03 AM
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"Watch what happens when guns are banned in australia"...

Less murders i suppose




posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 10:10 AM
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Originally posted by denver22
"Watch what happens when guns are banned in australia"...

Less murders i suppose


Studies tend to vary regarding this and can lean either way. There is very little firm agreement about anything but the difficulty in interpreting the data suggests the effect has been minimal in comparison to the cost to the tax payer.

The major proposed impacted would be in suicides primarily.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by MrWendal

Originally posted by just_julie
Australia and USA are very very different countries.


And yet criminals are the same no matter where you go.
You got that right! Even in Australia!



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 10:28 AM
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Originally posted by just_julie
Australia and USA are very very different countries.

deleted: answered above
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posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 10:47 AM
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Take The United States Of New South Fails numbers out of the Australian statistics and all of a sudden gun control starts looking a whole lot more effective!



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 10:48 AM
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First off, easy there guys/gals/mates. I have NO animosity for Australia. I didn't post this to pick on you all.

I posted this as a kind of case study of what happens when a populace gives up their gun rights as a warning to the USA.

The video was from Aus so i picked out Aus facts from Gun Facts 6.0 to support the video. I could have just as easily singled out the UK or China or anywhere the populace has been more or less disarmed. It's the same everywhere.

It's a simple fact, when you criminalize guns, only criminals will have guns & that includes a criminal government. Try looking up the term democide & see the death rates. Over half a billion in the last century (650M IIRC)?

That won't happen here in the USA, at least not without a nasty fight. It's unimaginable to most of us to simply give up our single best ability to defend ourselves, our families, our property & our country... unimaginable.

You can fool yourself into thinking that since guns are outlawed in your country/city that you are safe from gun violence, but you won't fool the criminals pointing them at you.

It may take a while, but eventually the light bulb will go off that gun control isn't about safety.
It's about control... of you. Maybe it is an American thing & you won't ever understand it. For that i'm sorry.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 10:57 AM
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Originally posted by kerazeesicko


I would bet anyone that the guns being used in Toronto..
What guns???? I thought you had gun control and removed all your guns?? Am I confused....again? People for gun control yet expose that guns are in fact used in a violent nature in gun controlled countries, hmmmm.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:03 AM
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I must admit, I don't like it when foreigners comment on our gun laws here in the US, so I am not going to comment on gun laws in other countries.

My take on it is, Australians, Canadians and the English should refrain from offering their two cents on what goes on in this country regarding guns, and we should do the same regarding theirs.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by mal1970
I posted this as a kind of case study of what happens when a populace gives up their gun rights as a warning to the USA.

What warning?

That the US may end up with low gun death rates, much less / no mass shootings, a good economy, a great health care system, low unemployment, great weather, food, girls, no terrorism, an easy life, it too become a 'lucky country' (...) if it bans guns?

Oh. Then people better start building their bunkers in earnest!
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posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:12 AM
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Originally posted by links234
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Let's see here, according to the Australian Institute of Criminology there were 253 murders in Australia in 2007. According to the CDC there were 16,799 homicides in the United States the same year. That's 66 times less than the US.

In 2003, fewer than 16% of homicides involved firearms in Australia.

There were 176,427 recorded assaults in Australia in 2007. In America the number was 1.8 million. That's 10 times less than the US.

There were 19,781 recorded sexual assaults in Australia in 2007. The United States recorded 203,830 sexual assaults in 2008. That's 10 times less than the US.

In 2007 the population of the US was 301 million, in Australia the population was 21 million. That's 14 times less than the US.

Overall, you're safer in Australia than you are in the United States.


ACtually as Americas population is 14 times more than Australias, the odds are worse living in australia apart from the homocide numbers...

More likely to be assaulted or sexually asssaulted in Australia on a per capita basis compared to the USA according to your figures.

More likely to be murdered in America though.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by CB328



Taking away the firearm of the law abider doesn't take away the gun of the criminal


If there wasn't such a surplus of legal guns it would be much harder for criminals to get them.

Guns cause far more harm than any supposed good they do.


Wow your logic is flawed, there is no surplus of legal heroin or meth or crack etc yet they are the easiest things in the world to get if one wants them... outlawing guns will be as effective as outlawing drugs has been in preventing people that want them from obtaining them. Prohibition has never worked and never will! Stop listening to the anti-gun BS and face the facts. They do not want to protect people by taking away guns they want to be able to make it easier to oppress people by taking away their liberty teeth.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:14 AM
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When you ban guns, law abiding citizens will lose their guns, but those with criminal means of acquiring weapons will retain their weapons. Basically, gun violence will increase or stay the same in the years following a gun ban. However, banning fire arms addresses the long term problem of gun violence, not short term; in the short term there will be little effect. In 50 years or so, however, all illegal guns in circulation now will likely have been confiscated and it will be so hard and expensive to obtain a gun that most criminals won't bother. This will lead to less gun violence, plain and simple.

If there are no guns, people can't get killed by guns. This does not mean that violent crime will cease, only that criminals will have to rely on less effective weapons like knives.

The biggest problem with taking guns away from citizens is that it makes a revolution impossible.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:15 AM
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Originally posted by calebdaniels

Originally posted by hawkiye
They can place all the bans they want in the US and a few will hand them over but the vast majority will not and if they try and take them by force then it will be the second American civil war simple as that we know it and they know it. So they will just continue to nickle and dime us to death and try and indoctrinate our children to being against guns it won't work its not working.

Want war in America just try and take the guns on a massive scale like they did in Australia...


This is actually an outcome that I hadn't considered, in the past. If the government comes across a legal way for our amendments to be taken away, such as the UN Small Arms Treaty, would we have the right to fight back?


Yes, because it challenges a RIGHT not a privilege, and enemies of the Constitution (foreign or domestic) can be hung. The UN is UNConstitutional.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:16 AM
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No they're not, lol. Meth and Heroin availability differs based on demand per location. Regardless, there are not that many meth and heroin addicts in America; it is an awful comparison.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by Darkrunner
I must admit, I don't like it when foreigners comment on our gun laws here in the US, so I am not going to comment on gun laws in other countries.

My take on it is, Australians, Canadians and the English should refrain from offering their two cents on what goes on in this country regarding guns, and we should do the same regarding theirs.



This is ATS and we are all allowed to comment sir mam peace



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:20 AM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
When you ban guns, law abiding citizens will lose their guns, but those with criminal means of acquiring weapons will retain their weapons. Basically, gun violence will increase or stay the same in the years following a gun ban. However, banning fire arms addresses the long term problem of gun violence, not short term; in the short term there will be little effect. In 50 years or so, however, all illegal guns in circulation now will likely have been confiscated and it will be so hard and expensive to obtain a gun that most criminals won't bother. This will lead to less gun violence, plain and simple.

If there are no guns, people can't get killed by guns. This does not mean that violent crime will cease, only that criminals will have to rely on less effective weapons like knives.

The biggest problem with taking guns away from citizens is that it makes a revolution impossible.


Yeah because banning illegal drugs has worked so well in the last 50+ years in that respect that no one can get drugs now so they don't bother, oh wait... Are you people for real?... Sigh!



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:21 AM
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Guns aren't the problem, idiots who use them to maliciously kill people are. I don't think a lot of non-Americans understand this and I don't get why they chime in on this issue trying to prove something to those of us who see it as an important part of our heritage (although I respect their reason to do so).

Here it is: You can try and ban/restrict the guns here all you want....legal or not, we're not going to give them up. Not at all. I'll bury them if I have to but my children and their children will always have them.

That pretty much sums it up.
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posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by DestroyDestroyDestroy
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No they're not, lol. Meth and Heroin availability differs based on demand per location. Regardless, there are not that many meth and heroin addicts in America; it is an awful comparison.


Yeah that is why they can be had in any city or town across the country by anyone who wants them... Its amazing how people have all these false beliefs and never bother to check facts... Sigh!



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by wills120
Guns aren't the problem, idiots are. I don't think a lot of non-Americans get it and I don't get why they chime in on this issue trying to prove something to those of us who see it as an important part of our heritage. You can try and ban the guns here all you want....legal or not, we're not going to give them up. Not at all. I'll bury them if I have to but my children and their children will always have them.

That pretty much sums it up.
yes as the old saying goes

GUNS DONT KILL PEOPLE- PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:26 AM
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Criminals are always going to have their firearms, because they know the black market and how to obtain them. Firearms are the tools of trade for robbers, it's how they protect themselves when theyre robbing you blind. Disarming the citizenry only makes them more vulnerable. Everyone becomes a target when firearms are banned. When criminals know there are no more firearms on the streets for citizens to buy for self defense, crime does increase exponentially because the fear criminals have of being shot during a home invasion becomes non-existential and they grow bolder.





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