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But it is now official: Social Security is a lousy investment for the average worker. People retiring today will be among the first generation of workers to pay more in Social Security taxes than they receive in benefits over the course of their lives, according to a new analysis by the Associated Press.
But today there are just 2.8 workers per Social Security recipient and that number will fall to 1.9 by 2035, according to the Congressional Budget Office. People no longer routinely die at 65 but live well into their 80s. To compensate, payroll taxes that were just 2% in the 1940s have risen to 12.4% today (half paid by your employer), which is another reason that you stand to collect less than you paid.
Another argument made by Social Security opponents to raise fear about the national debt is how much our government has borrowed from China. They never mention how much our government has borrowed from Social Security. In fact, the government has borrowed more from the Social Security surplus than it has from any other source in the world, including China. As a result, Social Security now "owns" nearly 18 percent of the federal debt, making it the largest single holder of US debt. The government owes almost twice as much to Social Security as it does to China and Hong Kong.
Why aren't the opponents worried about paying back Social Security -- why aren't they talking about repaying this debt to the American people?
According to the U.S. Treasury Department's "Monthly Statement of the Public Debt of the United States" (9.30.10), the total debt was $13.562 trillion and was held as follows:
US Holders of Debt
42.1 % -- US Individuals and Institutions
17.9 % -- Social Security Trust Fund
6.0 % -- US Civil Service Retirement Fund
2.1 % -- US Military Retirement Fund
Foreign Holders of Debt
11.7 % -- Oil Exporting Countries
9.5 % -- China and Hong Kong
6.3 % -- Japan
1.4 % -- United Kingdom
1.3 % -- Brazil
1.6 % -- All other foreign countries
It's my property being taken from me.
It'd be stupid to rail against SS yet ignore other expenses. As fas as I'm concerned I'd like to wake to a morning with no thieving, threatening government at all.
Are the "fat cats" pushing to end it? They don't even pay into it. Once you make a certain amount of money you are exempt from SS so why should they care at all?
I'd like to see all forms of government extortion end. There is nothing righteous about threatening my life and liberty for my property.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by seeker1963
It's my property being taken from me.
It'd be stupid to rail against SS yet ignore other expenses. As fas as I'm concerned I'd like to wake to a morning with no thieving, threatening government at all.
Are the "fat cats" pushing to end it? They don't even pay into it. Once you make a certain amount of money you are exempt from SS so why should they care at all?
I'd like to see all forms of government extortion end. There is nothing righteous about threatening my life and liberty for my property.
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Reply to post by seeker1963
Are the "fat cats" pushing to end it? They don't even pay into it. Once you make a certain amount of money you are exempt from SS so why should they care at all?
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Originally posted by tvtexan
It's a tax, just like Obamacare is.
We are now a Communist Nation!
Originally posted by Philippines
- Have been out of the USA for 8 years and...
- Haven't paid USA taxes in 8 years
- Haven't paid Social Security or other welfare/nanny state programs in 8 years
My advice to you is to stop paying taxes, move out of the USA, and stop worrying about things the Gov. says you must do. It's a much more enjoyable and free life to live how you please without someone/something telling you what you must do in YOUR life
Originally posted by solarstorm
Originally posted by Philippines
- Have been out of the USA for 8 years and...
- Haven't paid USA taxes in 8 years
- Haven't paid Social Security or other welfare/nanny state programs in 8 years
My advice to you is to stop paying taxes, move out of the USA, and stop worrying about things the Gov. says you must do. It's a much more enjoyable and free life to live how you please without someone/something telling you what you must do in YOUR life
I wish I spoke Portuguese. I would be in Brazil loving life with all them beach hotties.
Investment income. The trust funds earned $114 billion in interest in 2011, an effective annual interest rate of about 4.4 percent. Assets held in special issue U.S. Treasury securities grew to $2.7 trillion in 2011 and are expected to continue growing to about $3.1 trillion by 2021.
Changes needed. The trustees suggest several changes that could restore the program to solvency for the next 75 years. An immediate payroll tax increase of about 1.3 percent for both workers and employers would correct the projected deficit, as would immediately reducing benefits by 16.2 percent, or some combination of these two approaches. “Lawmakers would have to make significantly larger changes for future beneficiaries if they decide to avoid changes for current beneficiaries and those close to retirement age,” the report cautions. “If lawmakers do not take substantial action for several years, then changes necessary to maintain Social Security solvency will be concentrated on fewer years and fewer generations.” If Social Security changes are deferred until the trust funds become exhausted in 2033, it will then require a tax increase of 2.15 percent for both workers and employers to continue paying out benefits at current levels. Alternatively, benefit payouts would need to be reduced by 25 percent in 2033 if no tax increases or alternative revenue sources are implemented.