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We Now Have Our Smallest Government in 45 Years

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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 06:15 PM
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Originally posted by EvilSadamClone
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It's not the numbers, it's the POWER of the government that matters. The numbers are just a symptom.




Well I agree, I eluded to that as well by saying that a room of super computers are capable of doing far more than thousands of employees.. when you take that and add to the fact that the total number of employees is probably much larger than it was 45 years ago, the fact there are more agencies than there were 45 years ago and the fact that those agencies have more power than they had 45 years ago.. you can safely state that our government now is WAY larger and far more powerful/looming than ever before.. our population numbers mean absolutely nothing when you look at those things.. so the chart is useless..
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 08:18 PM
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Oh wow

The largest healthcare provider in the world is the US Federal Government over 120 million on Medicare and Medicaid.

The largest retirement plan is SS that has over 70 million on its dime

The largest Banker in the world is the US Federal Reserve

Smallest government in 45 years oh that is rich Government has never been larger.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 08:22 PM
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I call ...

BS~! what about the new TSA, was that included....

what's your stance ?



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:07 PM
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Our government is being played by the TPTB. The U.S. Government is destined to fail as it is running off of fumes. I believe that the presence of foreign influence and profiteers is highly likely given the adamant direction of our system.

Time is slowly eroding the foundation at which our government was built. It is only a matter of time until foreign banks and markets reject our abused dollar.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Originally posted by thisguyrighthere

Originally posted by freethinker123
Can somebody explain to me the obsession with smaller government in the US, rather than a better functioning government? In other words, why aren't people as concerend with state employees doing their jobs better as much as they are wanting for them to lose their jobs?

I ask because almost all from the US talk about this small government thing, but I get the feeling its a 'belief' almost held like a religion and that hardly anybody even bothers thinking about the issue, its a given for some reason...



Because they cant do it better.

Speaking as a decades long government employee efficiency is frowned upon.

In one of my higher-up positions I was able to cut tens of thousands off the annual budget of my municipality not by laying people off, reducing services or making any cuts of any kind. I simply cancelled all the crony contracts that had been established and opened all acquisitions and services up to bidding and "shopping around."

The taxpayers on the street loved it.

The bureaucrats did not.

I experienced this same occurrence in several positions across several cities and states.

Efficiency is punished. Nepotism and waste is not only liked but it is encouraged and rewarded.

I'll never forget the time I was called out for picking up a $2 roll of tape on my way in rather than ordering that same roll of tape for $10 from the city approved vendor.

An efficient government is an impossibility. By it's vary nature any governing entity or bureaucracy will be corrupt sooner or later.


Thanks for the reply, at least you have an informed reason for your belief. But would you agree with me that most in the US think small government is good, but they haven't thought about if this is true, or had any experience of it. For me its worrying that people buy into a general belief with bothering to consider the issue.

For the record I've also worked at a government institution and I'd agree with you about bureaucracy. On the other hand I've worked in the private sector, where the boss / owner used to yell and belittle us, including department heads such as myself. He wasn't cometent....

Is an efficient government impossible? With correct oversight / incentives surely its possible to make government more efficient? But efficiency is only part of the story. Being effective and doing the job correctly is just as important isn't it?



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 09:35 PM
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Smallest government in 45 years at the same time we have a record number of people dependent in some way on government. Numbers don't add up.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 02:30 AM
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Since when has Big Government been measured by the number of employees. Oversight, restrictions, detention of US citizens without cause cited, that is Big Government.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 02:29 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
Oh wow

The largest healthcare provider in the world is the US Federal Government over 120 million on Medicare and Medicaid.

The largest retirement plan is SS that has over 70 million on its dime

The largest Banker in the world is the US Federal Reserve

Smallest government in 45 years oh that is rich Government has never been larger.


Side note: The FEDERAL RESERVE isn't a part of the government. It is a privately owned bank that has a monopoly on the united states dollar, which isn't backed by anything but debt. It also charges interest on every dollar in existance because not only does it print money it LENDS it to us. DO PEOPLE GET THAT EVERY DOLLAR IS A LOAN WITH INTEREST ON IT.

FEDERAL RESERVE= world criminals



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 05:04 PM
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We Now Have Our Smallest Government in 45 Years


This may actually be the Biggest "Smallest" desperate attempt to retain at least a few Obama voters and keep them from either not voting in disgust, or worse yet for Obama, voting for Romney !!

It's just like hanging on to that rope over a cliff.

You know --- the one that keeps rubbing on that rock and breaking the strands one at a time


They keep using meaningless and misleading figures to keep the dwindling supporters in lockstep.

The "Nutting" chronicles was a good example.

If I didn't know better, I would almost believe much of this is written by Sorcha Faal !!




posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 05:37 PM
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We Now Have Our Smallest Government in 45 Years

Then why don't we have the same tax to income ratio as 45 years ago?



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 05:38 PM
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In 1968, the U.S. Federal Budget, in terms of spending was $368.7 billion. Contrast that with the 2012 United States Federal Budget which has approved $3.796 trillion in expenditures. That's some nifty adjusting for inflation if we are going to take the title of this thread and the study cited at their implication.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 05:39 PM
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I don't know anything more than whats in the article.

Per population I can believe it considering all the cops and firefighters and teachers laid off in the last few years.

Honestly Bush at his time had the largest government, dept, and everything else they bash Obama about.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 05:52 PM
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Originally posted by Rockpuck
reply to post by LDragonFire
 


That's ALL government. Not Federal Government. This only highlights the extreme issues with our municipalities.. when most people complain about the size of government they mean the Feds.



No they don't. That is just a moronic statement.
When I complain about big government it is about all government. Right down to local. We were not born yesturday and we are not stupid.
Big government is all government. In fact we are more affected by local government than we are the idiots in Washington.....



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:29 PM
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Everybody is downsizing, even the government. So what, it's just like everything else, less bang for the buck. It's all chips at the casino, monopoly money, render unto Cesar, etc.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:46 PM
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I'm not entirely sure that the statement was all that moronic. Local government employees actually do something for us. Police & Fire, teachers, etc. They're easier to influence, have a smaller scope, usually have to explain themselves in town meetings, more closely represent the people they deal with, and know the community far better.

I don't mind local government as much as you do, and I don't think my position is moronic. We can argue if it's right, but it's not moronic.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 11:11 PM
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I agree with you. Normally I think Federal when I think Big Government. That doesn't mean state and local cant overstep their bounds, but none can impact us like the Feds.



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