I am going to see God , page 24

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We have tested that truth, and found that it has a serious leakage problem. It just doesn't hold water. But you refuse to consider an alternative because the idea of looking for a new system, a new way, is so thoroughly daunting after having spirituality handed down on a silver platter from politicians in past centuries.

I'll let you in on a little secret: spirituality was never that easy. It takes practice, it takes seduction, it takes knowing yourself and the world around you. But you know what? You don't want to know that part of yourself. You are SCARED of knowing yourself fully, because you are afraid of being weak. You are afraid of confronting your own demons. And as long as such fear persists, you will forever be shackled to your imperfections in the act of denying them.

That's what true spirituality teaches you.

reply to post by AfterInfinity

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We have tested that truth,

WTF ? No truth was even defined in the question !!!!

AI, seeing that I didn't even define or dictate, any certain truth what so ever and it being obvious you don't even read enough to understand the question entirely. And not only was it not addressed to you, but seeing how I have suggested we not reply to each others posts. Mostly because of the menace you pose that you have just so perfectly exampled.

Could you just please comply with my request ? Because I have nothing to say to you.

Originally posted by Kastogere
reply to post by randyvs

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When you see him...ask him why my man parts couldn't have been bigger.....and why he charges for the peep booth.

Well being that he knew you before you were born, he likely gave you a small penis to instill some humility in you LOL.

Originally posted by lonewolf19792000

Originally posted by Kastogere
reply to post by randyvs

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When you see him...ask him why my man parts couldn't have been bigger.....and why he charges for the peep booth.

Well being that he knew you before you were born, he likely gave you a small penis to instill some humility in you LOL.

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Lonewolf,

This is curious statement. I know that you're really just having some fun, at Kastogere's expense, but I have a sincere question for you, if you don't mind.

Do you believe in the pre-existence of the soul? Do you think that the soul resided with God before being "sent" to Earth? Or, do you think he designed us in heaven, while our bodies were being created in our mother's womb?

If God knew that Kastogere would need to learn a certain kind of humility during his life, did he design him that way before hand, or did Kasogere sin in a previous incarnation, or display traits in heaven that God wanted to curb, or train in some way?

reply to post by windword

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Do you believe in the pre-existence of the soul? Do you think that the soul resided with God before being "sent" to Earth? Or, do you think he designed us in heaven, while our bodies were being created in our mother's womb?

There is no prexistence of the human soul. The only soul that pre-exists is God. Life of his creatures begins at conception (angels excluded), even the scriptures agree with this and life is in the spirit as attested to by Jesus so it is impossible for the human soul to exist before conception. God knowing us before we were born is due to his advanced foreknowledge, he sees us and knows us before we exist because he sees time fluidly as it moves around him like a river and as such he sees past, present and future all at once. What has happened, is happening and will happen again in his eyes. Right now Jesus was crucified, is being crucified and will be crucified to him as he sees past present and future. This is what it means to be the One who Was and Is and Is to Come.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

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No intent in asking this.

You said scripture supports life at conception, some say at birth, the soul is given unto the vessel. Where do I look for this?

reply to post by randyvs

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Truly beautifully said. Thank you.......................................for upholding the great and glorious Light.....sometimes walking through this world in the struggle of life and all its lies can make us forget just a little that brilliance.

reply to post by randyvs

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I would tell you to look into the mirror.
What if you were God?
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Originally posted by jhill76
reply to post by lonewolf19792000

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No intent in asking this.

You said scripture supports life at conception, some say at birth, the soul is given unto the vessel. Where do I look for this?

edit on 2-1-2013 by jhill76 because: (no reason given)

"It is I who bring both death and life."
Deuteronomy 32:39


"Did not He who made me in the womb make him?
And did not one fashion us in the womb?"
Job 31:15


Genesis 35:16-26. This passage deals with Jacob and his wives going to Ephrath from Bethel after they had left Padanaram. The statement in verse 26 says they were all born in Padanaram. But if you will notice one of them was obviously born after they left and were
between Ephrath and Bethel, that one was- Benjamin. Why would the writer of Genesis makesuch an bvious "mistake"? If the time element is looked into, you can see that Benjamin
was conceived in Padanaram but literally born in the promised land. This shows what God thinks of the place to start counting a life.

Even in the very beginning God told man and woman to multiply and be fruitful. Now why would there be need to multiply and be fruitful if the work was already done?

There are many many verses in scripture to support life beginning at conception and it also shows that God does not distinguish between when a child becomes a child, from the very conception they become life, the process for creating a new human being is begun at conception. That life does not begin until the mixture of genetic material between man and woman is exchanged and conception begins.

Jesus made it a point to stress that he pre-existed and he alone.

John 8:56-59

56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day, and he saw it and was glad.”

57 Then the Jews said to Him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?”

58 Jesus said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM.”

59 Then they took up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

None of the other jews could claim they had seen or known Abraham, thats why they picked up rocks to throw at him, they knew he was claiming to be God the only one who could pre-exist.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

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According to The Book of Jubilees, Chapter 2 verse 2, GOD created all the spirit of all the creatures, which are in heaven and on the earth, during the first day of creation.

For on the first day He created the heavens which are above and the earth and the waters and all the spirits which serve before him -the angels of the presence, and the angels of sanctification, and the angels [of the spirit of fire and the angels] of the spirit of the winds, and the angels of the spirit of the clouds, and of darkness, and of snow and of hail and of hoar frost, and the angels of the voices and of the thunder and of the lightning, and the angels of the spirits of cold and of heat, and of winter and of spring and of autumn and of summer

and of all the spirits of his creatures which are in the heavens and on the earth,

(He created) the abysses and the darkness, eventide and night, and the light, dawn and day, which He hath prepared in the knowledge of his heart.
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“As a child I was by nature well endowed, and a good soul fell to my lot; or rather, being good, I entered an undefiled body.” (The Wisdom of Solomon 8:19-20)

Proverbs 8
“The Lord brought me forth as the first of his works, before his deeds of old;
23 I was formed long ages ago, at the very beginning, when the world came to be.
24 When there were no watery depths, I was given birth, when there were no springs overflowing with water;
25 before the mountains were settled in place, before the hills, I was given birth,
26 before he made the world or its fields or any of the dust of the earth.
27 I was there when he set the heavens in place, when he marked out the horizon on the face of the deep,
28 when he established the clouds above and fixed securely the fountains of the deep,
29 when he gave the sea its boundary so the waters would not overstep his command, and when he marked out the foundations of the earth.

So pre-existence of the soul was a common belief among early Hebrews. Apparently, during the time of Jesus, it was still widely believed.

John 9:2
And his disciples asked him, saying, Teacher, who did sin, this man, or his parents, that he was born blind?

reply to post by randyvs

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WTF ? No truth was even defined in the question !!!!

I have seen your posts before. You mentioned "righteous truth" on a Christian thread, and your history has shown a lenience towards Christianity. It was a logical assumption. If I was wrong, then please clarify next time.

AI, seeing that I didn't even define or dictate, any certain truth what so ever and it being obvious you don't even read enough to understand the question entirely. And not only was it not addressed to you, but seeing how I have suggested we not reply to each others posts. Mostly because of the menace you pose that you have just so perfectly exampled.

As stated above, it was a logical assumption. I will continue to reply to your posts as I see fit, regardless of whether or not they are addressed to me. I am interested in discussion, even if you are not. Your choice to ignore me is more indicative of your inability to counter my arguments than of your superiority to my personal opinions. Have your opinions, I really don't care. But at least try to defend them.

Could you just please comply with my request ? Because I have nothing to say to you.

Then my posts will go unabated.

reply to post by windword

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Look at the big brain on Winword. ? Impressive.

AI

Your choice to ignore me is more indicative of your inability to counter my arguments than of your superiority to my personal opinions

I've been doing that for months and it was never that interesting AI. So you're wrong again and may I suggest that if you need a reason that you consider the more obvious. Like your issues.

reply to post by randyvs

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Look at the big brain on Winword. ? Impressive.

Why you so suprised, Bro?

I also gotta a big heart and a big "continental spread" to sit upon!

reply to post by windword

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Lend the surprise moreover to the information I suppose and true that I have learned from your posts in the past.

Those passages just, I've never heard of them before. Apologies, I did make an irrelevant annotation.
Sorry for the compliment.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

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How does one sin in the womb?

I believe, and have read, that the Book of Enoch and the Book of Jubilees among others, were left out of the cannons because there was concern from church leaders, both Christian and Jewish, that these books lead followers to pray to and worship angels, and detract from Jesus Christ, or in the case of the Jews, GOD.

The use of the genre “apocalypse,” by definition, entails use of literary contents from the spatial axis, particularly cosmic beings such as angels and demons. The use of these literary features implies some treatment of the significance of cosmic beings for humanity.

Thus far, Jubilees is like contemporary apocalypses. Despite variation in the details, contemporary apocalypses typically attribute great significance to cosmic forces for the origin of evil, the progression of human history, and the resolution of evil. Jubilees breaks this convention. Jubilees uses the genre to deal with the significance of cosmic forces, but inverts the view typical of the apocalypses. Jubilees blames humanity for the origin of evil and the flood, postulates that Israel is exempt from angelic rule and demonic affliction, and simply writes angels and demons out of the plan for the resolution of evil.

This is not to say that angelic beings play no role in Jubilees except to be unimportant. The apocalyptic worldview is only one of many concerns in the Book of Jubilees, and, like many non-apocalypses, Jubilees does use angels to solve exegetical problems. The core issue is the view of non-human sources of evil and suffering. Jubilees uses the genre but inverts the typical view.

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CHRISTIANS must not forsake the Church of God, and go away and invoke angels and gather assemblies, which things are forbidden. If, therefore, any one shall be found engaged in this covert idolatry, let him be anathema; for he has forsaken our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God, and has gone over to idolatry.

THE COMPLETE CANONS OF THE SYNOD OF LAODICEA IN PHRYGIA PACATIANA

reply to post by windword

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It was a question his disciples asked him, it wasn't about any sins from a previous life it was about his parent's sin.

Exodus 34:1-7

And the Lord said to Moses, “Cut two tablets of stone like the first ones, and I will write on these tablets the words that were on the first tablets which you broke. 2 So be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning to Mount Sinai, and present yourself to Me there on the top of the mountain. 3 And no man shall come up with you, and let no man be seen throughout all the mountain; let neither flocks nor herds feed before that mountain.”

4 So he cut two tablets of stone like the first ones. Then Moses rose early in the morning and went up Mount Sinai, as the Lord had commanded him; and he took in his hand the two tablets of stone.

5 Now the Lord descended in the cloud and stood with him there, and proclaimed the name of the Lord. 6 And the Lord passed before him and proclaimed, “The Lord, the Lord God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abounding in goodness and truth, 7 keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, by no means clearing the guilty, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children and the children’s children to the third and the fourth generation.”

The underlined portion is what they were referring to, a generational curse afflicting the blind man.

reply to post by lonewolf19792000

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If they thought that the man was born blind because of the sins of generations before him, they wouldn't have asked if the blind man, himself, had sinned.

You have claimed that God knew ahead of time that he would sin, and therefore "cursed" him and you have claimed that he sinned in the womb.

Your welcome to your interpretation, but I don't agree with it.

Hebrew people had a history of believing in the pre-existence of the soul, and some believed in reincarnation, too.

reply to post by windword

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Hebrew people had a history of believing in the pre-existence of the soul, and some believed in reincarnation, too.

Idolatars may have, but scripture does not indicate there is reincarnation. In fact all the way back to the beginning when you die that's it. Take Jesus on the cross, the thief who asked him to remember him when he came into his kingdom Jesus said "this day you shall be with me in paradise" meaning Abraham's Bosom the waiting ground righteous humans go to while we wait for the end to come, he didn't tell the fellow "don't worry, you get a do over *two thumbs up*".

And ofcourse there's:

Hebrews 9:16-28

16 For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the death of the testator. 17 For a testament is in force after men are dead, since it has no power at all while the testator lives. 18 Therefore not even the first covenant was dedicated without blood. 19 For when Moses had spoken every precept to all the people according to the law, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water, scarlet wool, and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20 saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God has commanded you.” 21 Then likewise he sprinkled with blood both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry. 22 And according to the law almost all things are purified with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no remission.

Greatness of Christ’s Sacrifice
23 Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24 For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25 not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26 He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself. 27 And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment, 28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.

God didn't appoint for man to die repeatedly in an endless cycle, only once then to await your judgement.

reply to post by randyvs

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Where is your broken heart?

Nice mustache..

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