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Define Christianity as Hate - The New Homosexual Agenda

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posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:53 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Lucid Lunacy
 


I've heard of people marrying their toasters. It's a personal decision, it doesn't harm anyone (although I'm morbidly curious as to consummating the marriage) so it should be free game, right?


Well one thing is for sure the fire in that marriage would never wane!

*hides from bad joke*




posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:54 PM
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I'm not certain that you understand hypothetical points of conversation.Signing off for now. I'll check back later and see where this thread is headed.

Besides, marriage is a State issue, not Federal. There are already States that have enacted laws for gay marriage.
If your State doesn't have it, then pick up yourself and move. Simple as that.

It really comes down this, gays know the States they can marry in but they are not willing to leave it there. They want to FORCE the entire population via Federal laws to "accept" their lifestyle choice.
Fine, they can do it, just as soon as I can FORCE the entire population to accept that Abortion should be illegal.
See how that works? You can't FORCE an entire nation to accept the terms of a single group.

I'll say it again, this is a State issue. Want to marry your same sex partner? Move to one of those States and shut up.


edit on 8-8-2012 by mr3dboot because: Wording...



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:56 PM
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Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by troubleshooter
 

Are you trolling?

...it's a serious question. ARE YOU TROLLING?!

I am pretty sure I am addressing the subject of the OP.

I have had a close business asscociation with a gay man for over fifteen years who I consider family and one of the most genuine, honest and dependable people I know and other social connections.

I am a Christian in a first century New Testament definition of that title and have formal theological credentials and opinions that don't fit the stereotype of the straw man propped up by the HS Agenda...
...but my historical, theological opinions are genuine.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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“I thought marriage was a "bondage" that restricted sex.”
Agoyahtah
en.wikipedia.org...
UMMM I think you meant “bond”!



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Originally posted by mr3dboot
reply to post by captaintyinknots
 


I'm not certain that you understand hypothetical points of conversation.Signing off for now. I'll check back later and see where this thread is headed.



No, i do. You are using logical fallacy and extreme examples as a way to try and prove your point. It isnt working.

What you are not understanding is that I am using your own tactic against you. Dont worry, you'll eventually catch up.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:58 PM
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Certainly not where you're going. I have better faith in ATS than that.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 06:59 PM
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Nah. That's stupid. Christians are doing a great job of defining christianity as hateful on their own. No homosexual agenda required. When christians stop interfering with politics and adopt the live and let live motto or even better live by their judge not motto then they will not be viewed in such a way. When people say christianity is in decline it's because christians are running everyone off.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:00 PM
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Anyways.

www.merriam-webster.com...

Join the discussion.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:01 PM
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...sometimes, I talk to people like you, and I find myself disturbingly unsurprised that TPTB are killing us off.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:02 PM
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It does list marriage as a rite. See, all of the usages are on there, and there's one that doesn't specify gender.

It can be legal!



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:03 PM
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Thank goodness for small improvement. Well, I'm out for the night, ATS.

I'll be back tomorrow to make sure things aren't getting too serious around here!

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posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:06 PM
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It's an interesting word "Christianity". It implies following the words of Christ, Jesus.

Much as Buddhism implies following Buddha.

However, would Bibliasm not be a better word? As Christianity takes not just from Jesus but from the Bible, both Old and New Testaments. It's been said before but Jesus never said anything negative about homosexuality.

So the topic of the thread is "Define Christianity as Hate - The New Homosexual Agenda" when perhaps the topic should be "Define Christianity as the Reflection on Being Persecuted by Those That Hate - The New Homosexual Right to Not Be Persecuted and Their Efforts to Fight Back" which would better reflect the words of Jesus.

Just a thought.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:07 PM
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Originally posted by GogoVicMorrow
Nah. That's stupid. Christians are doing a great job of defining christianity as hateful on their own. No homosexual agenda required. When christians stop interfering with politics and adopt the live and let live motto or even better live by their judge not motto then they will not be viewed in such a way. When people say christianity is in decline it's because christians are running everyone off.


Yeah - - I think the hard core bible thumping Christians are on there way out - - at least in political power control.

Even one of the main guys in one of the main Traditional Family groups - - - says they are losing to the youth in their own circle.

There is a BIG difference between bible thumpers - - - and living Christ's message.

The Southern Baptist's in part are descendants from America's original Puritans. If you actually research the history of the Puritans - - - they were NOT some poor trod upon group. They were trying to force their government to make their religious beliefs the law of the land (sound familiar?)



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by captaintyinknots

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by Believer101

Originally posted by troubleshooter
Technically 'to marry' even scientifically means to combine dissimilar elements...
...so combining two of the same gender can't really be referred to as 'marriage'.


But what elements is it referring to, exactly? It can't be /just/ gender.
Technically, if one is Asian and the other White, wouldn't they be dissimilar elements? What about one with blue eyes and one with brown? Aren't they dissimilar elements? See where I'm going with this?

Last time I looked a penis is not a vagina...
...so when a penis combines with a vagina it is a marriage.

The term 'marriage' has come to apply to the cultural, ceremonial and later religious aspects that confirm or recognize this combination.

A penis placed in another orifice can not be referred to technically as 'marriage'...
...a 'marriage' can not be said to be consummated until penis and vagina combines...
...anything less is only heavy petting or mutual masturbation but not consummated 'marriage'...
...so technically two people of the same sex can never 'consummate' a marriage.

A heterosexual 'marriage' can be anulled if it has not been 'consummated'...
...that is it is not considered to have been a 'marriage'...
...and hand holding, kissing and mutual stimulation/orgasm is not the consummation of a marriage...
...so technically a same sex union can never be consummated so can never be a 'marriage'.

I can understand that two same sex people who are intimate friends and who mutually stimulate each others sexual organs may desire to have some mutual/legal relationship to define their responsibility to each others person and property but you have to considerably morph the word to mean something else to call this union 'marriage'.


So, marriage takes place at the time of intercourse? Crap, Ive got a lot of wives out there....

In case you didnt notice, there is a difference between the scientific definition of "dead", and the legal definition of "dead", of "father" of "mother". And many, many other words.

you guys are really trying hard, ill give you that
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In cultural settings other than our post-modern one you would be held to account for having intercourse with a women and have the responsibility for providing for her and any issuing offspring from the union or be expected to provide a form of compensation. Some believe this is the origin of prostitution where a fee paid as compensation became later a fee for service.

Some think that any physical intercourse between a man and women also combines soul and spirit...
...that you can recall each union confirms mind and conscious (soul) and spirit is another matter.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by troubleshooter=

Some think that any physical intercourse between a man and women also combines soul and spirit...
...that you can recall each union confirms mind and conscious (soul) and spirit is another matter.


Oh Hell!

I got divorced from my high school boyfriend - - - - right in the middle of the Sexual Revolution.

My "soul - spirit" closet is BULGING at the seams


Gene Simmons - - - ya wanna compare notes?



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:24 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by troubleshooter=

Some think that any physical intercourse between a man and women also combines soul and spirit...
...that you can recall each union confirms mind and conscious (soul) and spirit is another matter.


Oh Hell!

I got divorced from my high school boyfriend - - - - right in the middle of the Sexual Revolution.

My "soul - spirit" closet is BULGING at the seams


Gene Simmons - - - ya wanna compare notes?

I was in a theological seminary during the sexual revolution ha ha ha!



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:30 PM
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Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by troubleshooter=

Some think that any physical intercourse between a man and women also combines soul and spirit...
...that you can recall each union confirms mind and conscious (soul) and spirit is another matter.


Oh Hell!

I got divorced from my high school boyfriend - - - - right in the middle of the Sexual Revolution.

My "soul - spirit" closet is BULGING at the seams


Gene Simmons - - - ya wanna compare notes?

I was in a theological seminary during the sexual revolution ha ha ha!


Well - - maybe I'm a bit older then you.

Chelsea Handler cracks me up - - people today our outraged - - but it was truly the norm during those years.

Seriously - - when I was younger I wanted to be a Christian minister. I was very much about God - - - but nothing felt right. There is a difference between studying a specific religion - - and researching factual cultural data.

I wanted to be a 100% honest Christian Minister. I wanted facts. Guess what - - there aren't any. At least none to back up the Christ story as told by the bible. That does not mean there is not another story.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:34 PM
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Good grief mr3dboot !
So Obama is a gay, Muslim, Secular humanist, Socialist that is a slave to Wall Street, and now has had his gay lovers put to death! I’m putting on my tin foil hat so I will better understand your beliefs.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:42 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by troubleshooter

Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by troubleshooter=

Some think that any physical intercourse between a man and women also combines soul and spirit...
...that you can recall each union confirms mind and conscious (soul) and spirit is another matter.


Oh Hell!

I got divorced from my high school boyfriend - - - - right in the middle of the Sexual Revolution.

My "soul - spirit" closet is BULGING at the seams


Gene Simmons - - - ya wanna compare notes?

I was in a theological seminary during the sexual revolution ha ha ha!


Well - - maybe I'm a bit older then you.

Chelsea Handler cracks me up - - people today our outraged - - but it was truly the norm during those years.

Seriously - - when I was younger I wanted to be a Christian minister. I was very much about God - - - but nothing felt right. There is a difference between studying a specific religion - - and researching factual cultural data.

I wanted to be a 100% honest Christian Minister. I wanted facts. Guess what - - there aren't any. At least none to back up the Christ story as told by the bible. That does not mean there is not another story.

I graduated and worked as a minister for a few of years...
...I found that being a follower of Jesus was more than following a set of external rules...
...but involved a union of spirit/Spirit...
...sort of like channelling but more of a relationship, personal identity or family inclusion than just a mere conduit...
...it's a whole other deal than the pew warming behaviour of most organized religion.



posted on Aug, 8 2012 @ 07:45 PM
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Originally posted by troubleshooter

I graduated and worked as a minister for a few of years...
...I found that being a follower of Jesus was more than following a set of external rules...
...but involved a union of spirit/Spirit...
...sort of like channelling but more of a relationship, personal identity or family inclusion than just a mere conduit...
...it's a whole other deal than the pew warming behaviour of most organized religion.


I now consider myself Atheist.

But I do understand a Spiritual Energy.

What I don't accept is Man controlling God.



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