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The Underground - A Hidden Reality and The True Story of Phil Schneider

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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 03:59 AM
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Phil Schneider hoax debunked. It is a great opportunity to reexamine his life, death and why his wiki pages disappeared. The life of Phil Schneider was full of psychic mystery; he was always talking about UFO, aliens and government cover up regarding extraterrestrials. So whether his lectures were hoaxes or real it is depend on who you choose to believe.

www.youtube.com...


the undergunderground

www.psychic-mystery.com...
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:25 AM
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Watching the videos now, but, for the record, Phil Schneider was a pathological liar.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:33 AM
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reply to post by Druscilla
 


I'm kind of that belief myself, but the underground bases hold more credibility.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:46 AM
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Originally posted by Druscilla
reply to post by WAKEYWAKEY
 


Watching the videos now, but, for the record, Phil Schneider was a pathological liar.



the crazy part about that for me is that he could be a pathological liar and still tell the truth sometimes. his account comes off as completely ridiculous, but i haven't personally come across any information exposing him as not having at least some of the credentials he claimed to have. do you think his testimony is all void of validity?



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 05:07 AM
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You must admit though Dru.. it's a great story


I did the whole Schneider thing just after researching G.Green.. both could be called liars, both provide "proof" that you just have to believe.. can't show you its top secret.. but i promise it exists and you should be worried..

at least Schneider never asked me to buy his gold...... hmm..



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 05:46 AM
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That website is a load of rubbish. It says things like 'The Starchild Skull Hoax Debunked' yet offers ZERO evidence to support their claim. link. The closest thing it offers is


Aliens usually don’t leave a trace behind them. So it is very unusual for them to burry a skull here on earth. They do thing so secretly and when they have evidences of proves they take it with them so their operation on earth will not be discovered, they are very strict about it. Read more: www.psychic-mystery.com...



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 05:51 AM
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phil schneider's story is "interesting" at best.
leaves a lot to be desired.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 05:52 AM
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How did he die, when no reference on wiki, any links anyone



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 06:16 AM
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Originally posted by WAKEYWAKEY
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How did he die, when no reference on wiki, any links anyone


The video you posted in your OP certainly contains this information.
The video you posted in your OP runs more along the lines of supporting and defending the Phil Schneider story.

The link you posted regarding the Phil Schneider Hoax does next to nothing in gathering or presenting evidence regarding his fabrications, but, if anything asks questions leading toward support of the fraud.

In reality, Phil Schneider was a complete pathological liar, a brain damaged schizophrenic, and a total fraud.
He may have actually believed the stories he told as being true, as is the case with many schizophrenics, but, such stories have no basis in reality.

Certainly the man's death was controversial, but, the controversy lies more so in how convenient his questionable demise in many eyes seems to validate his story, securing extra income to his estate postmortem.

One example of his lies that can be easily verified is his claims regarding his father.
He claimed his father was an SS Uboat 'captian'. Uboat commanders, for ther record were not called 'captians', but 'Commanders'.
The evidence lies on a site titled Uboat.net. In the MYTHs section you'll find a number of entertaining stories that have circulated around the web regarding Uboats. Uboat.net - Mythis section
Concerning his father:


Kptlt. Otto Oscar Schneider on US secret projects

There is a story floating around that this said U-boat commander worked on some highly classified US National Secrets after the war. I believe he is reported to have been a commander of a VIIC or IXC U-boat in the Atlantic during the war.

The simple answer to this one is that there was no U-boat commander in WWII with that name. Only 2 commanders with that last name in the war; Herbert Schneider died while in command of U-522 and Manfred Schneider only commander the small XXIII boat U-4706 for the last 3 months of the war, never on patrol. This story is just that, a story.


In other words, Phil Schneider's father was NOT a Uboat commander.
The German military was extremely thorough when it came to keeping records. Records of every Uboat that was ever conceived, built, planned, constructed, or partially constructed are on file, even the super top secret experimental Uboats.
All of these are on file and accounted for, including crew manifests, commanding officers, weapons and armaments, tours, accomplishments, insignia/conning tower art, and the where/when fates of those that were destroyed.

Sites like Uboat.net are looked after and moderated by hobby/enthusiasts who are quite the sticklers for historical accuracy regarding their favored subject. Similar sites exist for vehicles, aircraft, ships, and many other weapons of war from all the nations involved in WWII.

Phil Schneider's stories are lies.



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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 06:18 AM
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he was found dead at home with a rubber tube tied around his neck,verdict by coroner ruled suicide



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:15 AM
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Double post sorry.
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:16 AM
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"He was found dead at home with a rubber tube tied around his neck,verdict by coroner ruled suicide."

Think there is a little more to it than that, there were quite a few little anomalies regarding Phil Schnieders suicide. Yes the man was pritty far out there, but the underground base connection does have some credability, just look at where the trillions of US $$$ are going. Follow the money so to speak!



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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Does this mean Schnider wasnt an engineer ?
That he did not work for the gov?
What about his own records?



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:40 AM
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The ting about those supposed trillions of $ and where they're going? Well, fact of the matter, in reality, we the public don't know.

Those trillions of $ could be financing secret moon bases, underground bases, super soldier MK Ultra research and genetic engineering, building fleets of TR3Bs, financing the Aurora project, and other man'made reverse engineered alien craft, building underwater bases, financing projects like the remote viewing soldier program, or any number of other speculative assertions of which we'll likely never know.

Thing is, anyone can say that all that money is going into genetically engineering battle unicorns, or bears with guns riding battle unicorns and dropping gay bombs. Anyone can say that money is going anywhere.
The more 'credible' a story seems, or jives with other current highly speculative yet accepted among fringe groups as canon topics, the more likely a story will also become accepted into the fringe canon as well.

We already know there are such things as military bases with NORAD, and then there's all the missile silos and communications facilities now abandoned and up for sale that anyone can buy with enough money as evidence that there are more underground facilities abound.
Thus, it's not too difficult for someone to suspend their disbelief in considering that not only could there be absolutely gigantic underground bases, but, also entire cities, as well as bases and cities underground that have aliens, and any number of other fantasies.

The real truth is that, yes, there are some underground facilities scattered around the globe, but, in reality, these facilities are much more boring than you would ever expect them to be in only protecting regular military operations and materials. No aliens, no UFOs, no bears riding battle unicorns.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:53 AM
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I understand that a lot of his credentials have been proven by others as a hoax. However, a fellow researcher of the underground bases in Dulce and Author of "UFO Highway" Anthony Sanchez states that while Phil Schnieder was telling the truth about Dulce, he thought that by falsifying some of his info would protect him from being assassinated, in which he was "dead wrong". Now, I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve, but could there be some truth to his story after all?



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:55 AM
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Fair enough assessment, granted we dont know where the money really goes, and probably never will. I do think they are up to something suspect underground though, and i dont think its necessarily in humanitys best interest. The money the US spends on military black budget projects is never really disclosed, so we will never know i guess. Suppose we could all get some spades and start digging. LoL
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 08:04 AM
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Originally posted by iwan2ski
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I understand that a lot of his credentials have been proven by others as a hoax. However, a fellow researcher of the underground bases in Dulce and Author of "UFO Highway" Anthony Sanchez states that while Phil Schnieder was telling the truth about Dulce, he thought that by falsifying some of his info would protect him from being assassinated, in which he was "dead wrong". Now, I'm not saying I believe or disbelieve, but could there be some truth to his story after all?


Show us photos and videos of verifiable entry ways, or even exhaust vents to this fancy underground base that's supposedly in Dulce.
Thing is, you'll get lots of 'witness testimony' from locals who are only too happy to sell their little speck of dirt as a spooky spot on the map that might attract tourism, but, when it comes time to actually show real physical evidence, hmmm, "Oh, that area is on sacred Indian burial grounds or something and we can't take you there", or some other excuse pops up.

There might be something around Dulce, but, there's zero evidence to support that there's even a regular every day sort of military underground facility, much less anything like a huge city or anything involving aliens.

Thus, No, there's very little other than word of mouth story telling to support any claims.
Bring some real hard evidence. Trek into the hills, mesas and back territory of the Dulce Area regardless any posted warnings, and bring us some real evidence. Actually, just having pictures of the posted warning signs indicating a military presence would be fun an interesting, but, we don't even have those.

All there are are stories.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 08:19 AM
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Supposed Google Earth longs and lats (36" 48" 40.75" N - 108" 23" 11.00" W) of the Dulce base



Dont know if it has any credibility, i dont have access to Goggle Earth right now.
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 08:43 AM
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I myself require hard proof to believe anything. In fact I would damn near need to witness it myself first hand to fully believe. However, I'm not asking what you believe. I'm only asking is it possible that there is some truth embedded in the lies.

Hard proof these days is hard to come by since anyone could photoshop a picture. Even if the picture was real, would you believe it? I think the point of these forums is more about the possibilities of "what if", than what you or I believe. Sure, Dancing Unicorn bears or whatever is a stretch for imagination, but is Dulce that far of a stretch?

Well lets look at it a little closer:
1) Is it possible Aliens exist?
Yah, I think most of us here understand the vastness of space and the possibility that we may not be alone in it.

2) Do underground bases exist?
This one, we all know is true since the government acknowledges some of them.

3) If it is possible Aliens have visited our planet, could they hide themselves in an underground bases.
Seems plausible to me.

4) Is there any reality based in Dulce?
Well the Town exists, so does the Archuleta Mesa. There are plenty of eyewittness testimony not based on one particular hoaxer. Underground bases are known to exist.

I could go on, but my point I was trying to make is: you can't prove it's not real and I can't prove it is, so we are left with: Is it possible or even plausible?

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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 08:54 AM
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And there lies the worm of 'reason' that hooks so many gullible fish and their money into the pockets of charlatans.

For any con game, charade, fabrication, to stand a chance of being any sort of successful in netting the charlatan financial gains, celebrity status, or whatever it is they're after, the story they present needs verify, at least loosely with outside sources or other fabricated stories accepted in the fringe canon that have not been adequately or thoroughly shredded.

There are indeed military underground bases. You or anyone for that matter can buy an old decommissioned missile silo if you want.
Lots of people believe aliens are visiting this planet.
Combine the two and embroider the story with all sorts of scary, wonderful, strange and thought provoking prevarications and, wallah, you've got $$$ banging on your door just begging to be let in.

For any con game to work, there needs be some little bit of plausibility to it.



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