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Why It’s Great We Send Robots To Mars And Why People Should Follow

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:22 PM
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I thought I would start this thread because I found the article interesting and made an ass of myself in another thread about the Curiosity landing. I really wasn't thinking big picture. This article helped change my mind and made me realize that spending money on space exploration and NASA is important.

The following is an example of someone who denounces spending money on space exploration:


It's from the commenter who can't see the point, and thinks we're wasting money. Now, it would be easy to just call this guy (a commenter named "Frank") an imagination-less, dead-inside jackass and be done with it. So let's do that! Except for the "be done with it" part. Because it's never going to be done with, and I'll agree the question merits an answer. So let's look at the comment:


My comment from this thread



While I certainly see value in exploring the universe, perhaps that billion dollars could have gone to better use. Like maybe feeding people, helping out the poor, paying off some national debt...



No one's taking money from other needed projects to go to NASA. And, people tend to have a wildly exaggerated idea of just how much of the US budget goes to NASA. A 2007 poll showed most Americans think it's about 25%. The reality? In 2011, it was half of a percent.


Yeah I thought that number was higher for some reason. Still, I can argue that spending even that much so some nerds can drool over space porn and play long distance RC cars is too much.


But the second point — is space exploration worth it, fundamentally — is a bigger question.


This was my biggest beef. What the hell is the point shooting a glorified toy to another planet outside of the cool factor? How do I benefit? How do you? I must commend another poster in the thread I mentioned for pointing out the following:


Technologically, the case is pretty clear, if you bother to check more than one website that you close when you see the word "NASCAR." There have been an incredible number of advances made thanks to the intense demands of the space program on technology. Much of the miniaturization of computers that allows us to carry around hand-held porn-delivery tools that make phone calls is thanks to engineers figuring out how to cram room-sized computers into Gemini and Apollo capsules. Solar power systems owe much of their development and advancement to the space program. It's not just Velcro and Tang; like auto racing, space exploration provides the extreme situation and demands that spur technological growth.


I think this is a good article for everyone, whether you end up agreeing or disagreeing. It changed my perspective a bit. It's not always fun admitting when I'm being bull headed, but this thread is an admission.


Oh there is some language at the article link. I found it rather amusing but I know there are delicate flowers out there and this is a family site so I thought I would warn you all.

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:25 PM
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Great title for a thread

too bad I didn't understand what you have posted......



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:28 PM
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Oh. I edited a bit for clarity. I put 'in regard to the curiosity landing' in the first paragraph. I thought it was rather obvious but then I always think everyone instantly understands me. Try the links.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:29 PM
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Its all cool great and yeah, until somebody have the idea of dumping nuclear waste into the sun. Now we can make more nuclear site.
Truth is, I'll go with your original comment. Going to space isnt helping much when somebody else still eating grass on earth.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 09:32 PM
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Well I'll give you a star even though I disagree with you. At least you figured out what the thread was about


Without advances in technology we won't have advances in medicine and other highly important areas. Space travel sort of jumpstarts these advances.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 10:06 PM
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I still believe solving problem in your house first before venturing into your neighbour yard.
Still, venturing into space is a positive progress instead of building military stuff. Problem is TPTB is focusing on how to strengthen power in space.

Do we hear a free internet access from space, weather control to curb typhoon, future drought/flood prediction from space etc ? Nope, its all - spying, missile detection, early warning, laser to destroy missiles, military comm network etc.

Latest gives - GPS, thank buddy.
I think the first to colony Mars/Moon would be military personnel. Am I right ?



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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No one's taking money from other needed projects to go to NASA. And, people tend to have a wildly exaggerated idea of just how much of the US budget goes to NASA. A 2007 poll showed most Americans think it's about 25%. The reality? In 2011, it was half of a percent.


Once again, these people can't see the error in their logic which comes to no surprise. It isn't about the amount of tax dollars (even though we have no money to spend right now), it's about principal. A government agency that specializes in space science and is funded by the taxpayer is completely unconstitutional and is against everything this country was founded on. The Founding Fathers of this nation would be rolling in their graves!


Technologically, the case is pretty clear, if you bother to check more than one website that you close when you see the word "NASCAR." There have been an incredible number of advances made thanks to the intense demands of the space program on technology. Much of the miniaturization of computers that allows us to carry around hand-held porn-delivery tools that make phone calls is thanks to engineers figuring out how to cram room-sized computers into Gemini and Apollo capsules. Solar power systems owe much of their development and advancement to the space program. It's not just Velcro and Tang; like auto racing, space exploration provides the extreme situation and demands that spur technological growth.


Another fallacy by the libs. The amount of spin-off technology that has come about through NASA is nothing in comparison to spin-off technology that has been possible by the defense industry and weapons R&D. Just because a lot of good from evil doesn't nullify the latter. Of course, there's no point in arguing with people who don't believe in American individualism but rather the "greater good" and that "the needs of many outweigh the needs of the few".


The simple and emerging solution to space travel and research is in the private sector, and we're seeing this more and more as businessmen are now looking for ways to exploit the almost limitless resources that can be extracted from asteroids. As for the pure science aspect, that should be left to private institutions such as universities to fund their own research projects and collaborations, and not funded by the American taxpayer.
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:16 AM
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The US government can send robots to Mars if the US government stops bombing Earth.

Deal?



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:55 AM
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Originally posted by harryhaller
The US government can send robots to Mars if the US government stops bombing Earth.

Deal?


Whatt ? Cant hear you, the bombs too loud. (proceed to put big X on Iran)



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 03:06 AM
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Originally posted by Diablos
Another fallacy by the libs. The amount of spin-off technology that has come about through NASA is nothing in comparison to spin-off technology that has been possible by the defense industry and weapons R&D. Just because a lot of good from evil doesn't nullify the latter. Of course, there's no point in arguing with people who don't believe in American individualism but rather the "greater good" and that "the needs of many outweigh the needs of the few"


I'm sorry, what? Almost no military technology has made its way into society for civilian use. The only example I can thing of is nuclear weapons. After learning how to develop those nuclear power trickled down the masses. But that is the only big one, if you have others I would be glad to see them. The military is increasingly taking from science and technology now because warfare is becoming more computerized and sophisticated.
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:31 AM
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Wow, just wow. I can't even fathom that there are people like you. Private industry will Kill any knowledge we gain. It will be focused on profit not the benefit of mankind. N.A.S.A stands as a beacon of hope. They use less than half a percent of our budget.

What we they do, do with what little amount they get is astounding. I'd like to see the private sector top it. I'll give you a clue they won't. Having little money, and loving your job, plus American ingenuity is whats got us thus far. The corporate ideal of just trowing money at it. As well as only going to what would only make money, is not the way to go.

To the people who think its a waste of money, If congress and that jackass we call president would pull their heads out of the fourth point of contact. Start building infrastructure and giving back 25% of our budget to N.A.S.A I guarantee that we would solve our unemployment problems, Raise the quality of life of every one, within 50-100 years.

Space is the future, our species continued Existence depends on this. We in the United States, can get out of dept completely by being the worlds major hub for space travel as well as owning all mining as well as resources if we pulled our head out of our asses and invested the time and money for it. People like you should change your mind on this subject.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:42 AM
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I like grand ambitions that don't necessarily have a territorial/political/assish goal.

Space exploration is GRAND and definitely ambitious. If we ever had to account for ourselves, as a species, it's these kind of endeavours that go some way to justifying our presence here. Sure, 5000 years of constant war between countries has given us a lot of technology but it must make us look pretty stupid if anyone's taking notes.

It's amazing that we are here, alive, to ride our curiosity on a wave of exploration to other moons and planets. On the other hand, it's a serious bummer that this solar system is so far away from anything else! It won't happen in my lifetime but someone's gonna have to do some GRAND thinking one day to see how we climb out of this little sandpit and really start to explore.

Realistically, seeing the first person to launch a catchphrase on Mars might just happen in the next few years. A mixed-race bisexual hermaphrodite would make a great politically-correct photo-opportunity



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:52 AM
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US gov spend for FY 2011 was....

3,598,000,000.000 ......which i think is WAY lower than what it should be.. but meh.. so .. your say'n that only $35million goes to NASA ??


source



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 05:06 AM
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Originally posted by NullVoid
reply to post by Domo1
 


I still believe solving problem in your house first before venturing into your neighbour yard.
Still, venturing into space is a positive progress instead of building military stuff. Problem is TPTB is focusing on how to strengthen power in space.

Do we hear a free internet access from space, weather control to curb typhoon, future drought/flood prediction from space etc ? Nope, its all - spying, missile detection, early warning, laser to destroy missiles, military comm network etc.

Latest gives - GPS, thank buddy.
I think the first to colony Mars/Moon would be military personnel. Am I right ?


I agree with NullVoid on this one. We have benefited from space travel and exploration in many ways, but the primary reason for doing so has always been for a tactical advantage. It's just like the race to make the first atom bomb. From my understanding the U.S. now controls the gravity well of earth. This is a prison planet, no doubt about it.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:03 AM
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catchphrase on Mars

"A new ground, a new beginning" how about that ? Uhh let me trademark that first.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:22 AM
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Originally posted by acmpnsfalI'm sorry, what? Almost no military technology has made its way into society for civilian use. The only example I can thing of is nuclear weapons. After learning how to develop those nuclear power trickled down the masses. But that is the only big one, if you have others I would be glad to see them. The military is increasingly taking from science and technology now because warfare is becoming more computerized and sophisticated.
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I'm not going to do your research for you, but here's an obvious one: The internet. Without military R&D, you wouldn't even be reading these words off of your screen right now. Another major one that comes to mind is the Microwave.

If you want to read more, click here

And at the very least, publicly funding weapons R&D is fine by the constitution. Too bad we can't say the same for NASA.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:36 AM
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Hey it could be a cheesy corporate thing:

Mixed race astronaut in a suit covered in sponsorship badges steps on Martian dirt in branded boots. Turns to camera and smiles...

"Sip.

Mmmmmm...Pepsi Max!

It ALWAYS tastes out of this world!"

It could happen...



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:38 AM
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Originally posted by Reaper2137Wow, just wow. I can't even fathom that there are people like you. Private industry will Kill any knowledge we gain. It will be focused on profit not the benefit of mankind. N.A.S.A stands as a beacon of hope. They use less than half a percent of our budget.

Really? And who was it that came up with one of the most revolutionary technologies of its time back when top government scientists were saying it was impossible according to physics (the airplane)? The private sector. It is a well known fact that private industry is many times more efficient at what the government does in just about anything (science, service, etc). If you don't like these principals this country was founded on, then there are many socialist countries that would welcome you and your tax dollars with open arms around the world. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.


Originally posted by Reaper2137What we they do, do with what little amount they get is astounding. I'd like to see the private sector top it. I'll give you a clue they won't. Having little money, and loving your job, plus American ingenuity is whats got us thus far. The corporate ideal of just trowing money at it. As well as only going to what would only make money, is not the way to go.

Oh, like building $2.5 billion computerized SUV's that will only benefit a few elite academics in the long run or taking pictures from a satellite of a planet in our solar system? Wow, you're right! Indeed they are doing ground breaking stuff that will spark a second industrial revolution. Also, I think you have the "corporate ideal" confused with the "liberal ideal" of throwing money at everything to solve them. Do you even know what a corporation is? They don't exactly have all the money in the world to throw at useless ideas like the government does because they are responsible to their shareholders.


Originally posted by Reaper2137To the people who think its a waste of money, If congress and that jackass we call president would pull their heads out of the fourth point of contact. Start building infrastructure and giving back 25% of our budget to N.A.S.A I guarantee that we would solve our unemployment problems, Raise the quality of life of every one, within 50-100 years.


25% of the budget to NASA? Are you out of your mind? You clearly are one of those people that want to turn this great country into a socialist hell-hole. Giving NASA more funding just lines the pockets of their administrators more, as this is the standard result of extending more funding for any government agency. There won't be more projects or an increase of quality of life (give me a break), and you can't honestly be this stupid to think it will solve the unemployment problem, do you? You really think most Americans are trained scientists and engineers? Major facepalm.


Originally posted by Reaper2137Space is the future, our species continued Existence depends on this. We in the United States, can get out of dept completely by being the worlds major hub for space travel as well as owning all mining as well as resources if we pulled our head out of our asses and invested the time and money for it. People like you should change your mind on this subject.


Perhaps you're not too familiar with concepts such as special relativity and the vast distances of space which essentially prohibit any type of serious space travel outside of our solar system. I'm sorry to say, but we aren't leaving this planet any time soon (and likely will never). It's time we focused on more pressing issues at home such as foreign policy and this unemployment problem (once again, only a true fool would more funding for NASA will solve the unemployment problem). As for mining asteroids, let the private sector deal with that. There is enough money and an incentive to mine the almost limitless resources that can be extracted, and the private sector will definitely not let such an opportunity go to waste.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 07:39 AM
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What proof do we even really have that the robot went to Mars?



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