Why Does Mitt Romney Want To Restrict Voting Rights For More Than 900,000 Ohio Veterans?

Originally posted by jibeho
reply to post by TsukiLunar

 

Yes they are the same thing. Prove that they are different.

As for the fraud. As part of the early voting stipulation in Ohio, Fraudsters were able to overwhelm the system by registering and casting absentee votes at the same time. There was no chance for any volunteer or staffer to verify anything prior to the vote being cast. The deal was done. I've posted all of it...

Prove they are different?

Well one is when you cast the ballot.

The other is when you register for the ability to cast the ballot.

The rest of the post makes no sense. You have a total of two posts in this thread. Neither of which detail how many votes were actually cast illegally in the state of Ohio.

You say that there was an "overwhelming" amount of illegal votes cast. You give no proof of any of that.

And your post detail a specific part of the electoral process, registration. Not actual voting. You say "the deal was done" does that mean that they don't know or can prove that votes were cast illegally?

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Half the Tea Party isn't even voting for Romney?

I don't know what Tea Party folks you've been conversing with, but we have a handful voting for Obama, probably a majority voting for Romney, and then a good contingency voting for Gary Johnson.

The Republicans dont' stand a chance. Romney will get a flat 40% of the dyed in the wool Republicans, but he won't get anything outside of those hardcover party-liners.

Have you heard the Obama PAC ad today? It is a total exaggeration about Romney being responsible for a woman's death after he closed her husband's factory, but the fact that it is an exaggeration won't matter to the masses that hear it played on the radio and TV and compare it to what they believe is "free healthcare" through Obama.

Romney is NOT going to win, not even close.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

Half the Tea Party isn't even voting for Romney?

I don't know what Tea Party folks you've been conversing with, but we have a handful voting for Obama, probably a majority voting for Romney, and then a good contingency voting for Gary Johnson.

The Republicans dont' stand a chance. Romney will get a flat 40% of the dyed in the wool Republicans, but he won't get anything outside of those hardcover party-liners.

Have you heard the Obama PAC ad today? It is a total exaggeration about Romney being responsible for a woman's death after he closed her husband's factory, but the fact that it is an exaggeration won't matter to the masses that hear it played on the radio and TV and compare it to what they believe is "free healthcare" through Obama.

Romney is NOT going to win, not even close.

Why did Gov. Scott Walker win in Wisconsin? Was it even close?

That election was the canary in the coal mine for Obama.

More trouble is on the way.

Seek the truth: Electoral Map

- Romney Wins At Least 285 Votes - Only Needs 270

President Mitt Romney will take Florida, North Carolina, Virginia, Ohio, Wisconsin &

Colorado.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


Voters are angry at dirty politics. The Wisconsin recall was the epitome of dirty politics, and the voters made a statement. Just like the Chick-Fil-A backlash has nothing to do with the restaurant or the idea of gay marriage, it has everything to do with the population being fed up with political correctness and pandering.

The election in November will be about the voters who are fed up with the system as a whole. It will hurt Obama AND Romney, but it will likely result in Obama being re-elected, because he has two bases to draw hardcore supporters from. He will draw the hardcore Democrats, and the black folks, and that will outnumber Romney's hardcore Republicans.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

Voters are angry at dirty politics. The Wisconsin recall was the epitome of dirty politics, and the voters made a statement. Just like the Chick-Fil-A backlash has nothing to do with the restaurant or the idea of gay marriage, it has everything to do with the population being fed up with political correctness and pandering.

The election in November will be about the voters who are fed up with the system as a whole. It will hurt Obama AND Romney, but it will likely result in Obama being re-elected, because he has two bases to draw hardcore supporters from. He will draw the hardcore Democrats, and the black folks, and that will outnumber Romney's hardcore Republicans.

Glad you brought up the Chick-fil-A attack by the socialist mayors in Boston,

Chicago & San Francisco.

Have you noticed they have become whisper quiet???

Pro 1st Amendment Americans turned out and wrapped themselves around Chick-fil-A

on Chick-fil-A Appreciation Day. Those same lines that were wrapped around

Chick-fil-A will be wrapped around the voting booths all across America.

Those dingbat socialists have awoken a sleeping giant.

The White House is a done deal. In addition to that win, i think we just picked

up 3 more seats in the U.S. Senate!

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The Wisconsin Win was all about - voter turn out -.

reply to post by Eurisko2012


I don't think all that energy defaults to Romney. It is Ron Paul and Gary Johnson's energy. It is "anti-status-quo," "anti-incumbent." The Tea Party was built around "anti-incumbent." Romney is a party hack and an elitest. I don't think anyone should assume that all this political energy will fall into his lap, I think it will go against him as much as it does for him.

Hell, I'm tempted to just vote for Obama so we can get busy replacing the whole government. Romney might delay the inevitable, and I'm getting older. I'd rather get this fight on now than later.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Eurisko2012

 

I don't think all that energy defaults to Romney. It is Ron Paul and Gary Johnson's energy. It is "anti-status-quo," "anti-incumbent." The Tea Party was built around "anti-incumbent." Romney is a party hack and an elitest. I don't think anyone should assume that all this political energy will fall into his lap, I think it will go against him as much as it does for him.

Hell, I'm tempted to just vote for Obama so we can get busy replacing the whole government. Romney might delay the inevitable, and I'm getting older. I'd rather get this fight on now than later.

edit on 7-8-2012 by getreadyalready because: (no reason given)

Don't waste your vote on Obama. Join the winning team!

The landslide victory is a done deal.

It's all about the U.S. senate now. Will the Tea Party hand President Mitt Romney

61 GOP Senators?

Time will tell.

Because he hates freedom and "Merikah!" ofc!!!

come on, let's not play games like this by just posting links to stories on biased blog sites.

Just starting reading the thread but i found this (yes I see it is from 2008)

pubrecord.org...

interesting quote from this:

Mark Crispin Miller, a professor at New York University, and one of country’s foremost experts on election integrity issues, said the trend toward absentee ballots “is good news” because it suggests that millions of Americans now know that voting by machine is risky business.”

Voters “asked for absentee ballots because they want their votes to count, believing that such ballots represent an option more secure than voting electronically,” said Miller, the author of several books on election integrity, including a study on the 2004 election which detailed the voting irregularities in Ohio that led to Bush’s reelection.

In 2004, Republican-controlled Ohio was one state where voters complained that their votes cast on electronic voting machines for Sen. John Kerry, the Democratic presidential candidate, were recorded for Bush and exit polls that favored Kerry somehow benefited Bush in terms of votes. The issue has been the focus of a House Judiciary Committee report, numerous independent media studies, books, and documentaries, including the recent film Free For All, directed by John Wellington Ennis.

Still, Miller said voting by absentee ballot does not necessarily mean your vote will be counted.

“Unfortunately, absentee ballots do not, in themselves, ensure the counting of those votes,” Miller said. “Such ballots are, moreover, often counted last–sometimes after the fact–or not at all. Their fate depends entirely on the probity of the officials running the election; and in Ohio many of those people are less interested in fair elections than in helping out the GOP.

“Two years ago, the partisan election boards in 55 of Ohio’s 88 counties actually destroyed all or part of their stored ballots from the prior presidential race, notwithstanding a court order that those documents all be preserved. They clearly did so as a way to shred the evidence of vast election fraud in the 2004 election.”

Numbers...

164 ... Number of new laws introduced that would specifically restrict voting in the 2012 elections.

21 ... Number of voter suppression laws that have passed since the begining of 2011.

65 .. Bills pending

78 ...bills introduced that failed

311,591,917 ....US population

32,299 .. Number of UFO sightings between 2000 and 2007

352 ... Deaths caused by lightening strikes over that same period

9 ... The number of possible voter impersonation cases over that same period

5,000,000 ... The number of Americans that could potentially be denied the right to vote via the new laws.

craigconnects.org...

reply to post by jibeho

Originally posted by jibeho
So now we're splitting hairs between Voter Fraud and registration fraud.

For this discussion, yes. Because restricting voting days has no effect on registration fraud. You can't use that as a reason to restrict the voting of the populous.

reply to post by Indigo5


Numbers...

285 Electoral Votes for President Mitt Romney November 6, 2012 - less than 3 months

10,000 Negative Ads run by Obama in Ohio

104 Rounds of golf Obama has played

1.5% GDP and slowing

8.3% Unemployment and rising

Unending Regulations thrown at small businesses across America

Originally posted by Benevolent Heretic
reply to post by jibeho

 

Originally posted by jibeho
So now we're splitting hairs between Voter Fraud and registration fraud.

For this discussion, yes. Because restricting voting days has no effect on registration fraud. You can't use that as a reason to restrict the voting of the populous.

It's all voter fraud, election fraud, electoral fraud. It's all part of defrauding the electoral system. You can play semantics ping pong all you want. And in the case of Ohio (if I may play your game) fraud was committed during the registration/voting process that Ohio allowed in 2008. People could register and vote at the same time. With no time afforded to verify anyone beyond a student ID. The plan then was to overload the system in the wee hours before election day. We had voters show up from out of state and all used the same address. (I already posted that). Plenty of ways to cast your vote in Ohio without the extra 3 days. I would like to limit fraud as much as possible. I support the extra nod for the active military considering all they do for our country. Everyone else can at least make an effort to cast an honest vote.

I'm willing to forgo all of this nonsense if congress would just make major national election days a federal holiday. (that still would not be enough for the whiners) Next they'll want ballots delivered to their homes. Wait, we already do that....

If you and the DNC are so concerned about voter restrictions, why not go after the 19 states who have no laws allowing workers to take time off if needed to cast their votes?? Please avoid the snarky sarcasm in your response. No hyperbole here. Just a straight question that NO ONE has cared to address.

After eight pages of back and forth we have a winner, right from the horses mouth so to speak,

Senior Obama Campaign official David Axelrod, admitted Sunday, August 5th on Fox News that Ohio military voters who are allowed early voting was indeed the target of the lawsuit filed against the state of Ohio.

As Ohio democrats and the Obama campaign were targeting the military overseas voters and lambasting the Ohio state legislature and the Secretary of State for engaging in alleged discriminatory practices, they conveniently avoided mentioning that federal law protects early voting rights of overseas soldiers.

Examiner

There you have it right from Mr. Axelrod, just what many have said, repeated and said again and again - the sole purpose was to depress the active duty military vote, I repeat, the sole purpose was to depress the active duty military vote - got it! don't take my word for it heaven forbid but Mr. Axelrod says "thats right folks"

The bottom line from my point of view is that Mitt Romney along with his rival Barak Obama aka Barry Soetero, is that military votes will run completely counter-productive to their agendas. The U.S. Military does have a major voice in all of this. As a veteran myself, I can attest to entire notion of executing U.S. foreign policies and/or national objectives in the name of national security when it's all under the guise of the greed and nefarious machinations of the Globalist/Military-Industrial Complex/Mega-Banks/Corporations, gets our people killed and gives our nation a very bad wrap. Pure and simple. To me, that is unacceptable. If anyone here doubts the sincerity of my words, look at the Vietnam memorial. That was not my war, but my father's. Over fifty thousand of our people dead. National interest, right? I feel the military should have a right to vote in who they would like to see as their Commander-In-Chief.

Believe it or not gang, the military is more in sync with all of you than you know, but Oaths taken and conditions of enlistment prevents such a thing from taking place. Only reform can make that change and it starts with you all sounding off on the matter, but that is for another time and a subject altogether different. Once again the bottom line with Mitt Romney is the same as Obama's: The U.S. Military would not vote for him because he is not what they want as their Commander-In-Chief. Stay frosty gang. I'm out.

Originally posted by TsukiLunar
Ohio is a swing state, but for the last twelve elections they have picked the winning candidate.

They have a large population and along with that comes more electoral votes as well. Ohio is pretty much needed for Romney to have ANY chance of winning.

edit on 6-8-2012 by TsukiLunar because: (no reason given)

Exactly.

And Obama is leading in three major swing states: NY Times

Originally posted by Phoenix
After eight pages of back and forth we have a winner, right from the horses mouth so to speak,

Senior Obama Campaign official David Axelrod, admitted Sunday, August 5th on Fox News that Ohio military voters who are allowed early voting was indeed the target of the lawsuit filed against the state of Ohio.

As Ohio democrats and the Obama campaign were targeting the military overseas voters and lambasting the Ohio state legislature and the Secretary of State for engaging in alleged discriminatory practices, they conveniently avoided mentioning that federal law protects early voting rights of overseas soldiers.

Examiner

There you have it right from Mr. Axelrod, just what many have said, repeated and said again and again - the sole purpose was to depress the active duty military vote, I repeat, the sole purpose was to depress the active duty military vote - got it! don't take my word for it heaven forbid but Mr. Axelrod says "thats right folks"

??? Why would you even post this garbage? The first sentence doesn't even hold up to scrutiny.

"What that lawsuit calls for is not to deprive the military of the right to vote on the final weekend ," Axelrod told host Chris Wallace. "Of course, they should have that right. That suit is about whether the rest of Ohio should have the same right. And I think it’s shameful that Governor Romney would hide behind our servicemen and women to try and win a lawsuit to deprive other Ohioans. . . of the right to vote."

www.politifact.com...

The GOP is a party based on deception and anti-americanism.

The supporters here on ATS...are the same.
Party of liars, losers, and and racists...lets put them in a shuttle and send them all to the moon. we can point out its pretty much void of all minorities and environmental concerns there..

Basically, if your party is built on voter surpression, then your party is worthless. Ya, all you gotta do is kill almost everyone and you will be eventually defaulted as the king. pfft


-angry at this..-


Add: Clarification, I am hammering the GOP and supporters of the GOP. not hammering conservatives in general (not a partisan trolling here, just pointing at the corrupt party as it is so don't get your moustache all unwaxed, not pointed at people verses a organization and tactics and the people that support the organization and its tactics)

reply to post by Phoenix


Everything about your post is wrong and a bald-faced lie. No such "admitting" by Axlerod ever occurred - not on Fox, not anywhere. Your source is a joke. If this happened on Fox then you or "The Examiner" should have a video. Post it.

The opening paragraph of the lawsuit clearly states exactly what it's intent is for:

Plaintiffs bring this lawsuit to restore in-person early voting for all Ohioans during the three days prior to Election Day – a right exercised by an estimated 93,000 Ohioans in the last presidential election. Ohio election law, as currently enacted by the State of Ohio and administered by Defendant Ohio Secretary of State, arbitrarily eliminates early voting during the three days prior to Election Day for most Ohio voters, a right previously available to all Ohio voters.

Plaintiffs (the DNC) are bringing this suit to RESTORE in-person early voting, a right previously available to ALL Ohio voters.

reply to post by Phoenix

Your link discusses absentee ballots, I believe the OP is about the in person voting for 3 days prior to the election. How can someone overseas vote in person? If a class of peolpe get special considerations in the voting process, would that not be discrimination?

I'm going to introduce a law that says all voting must take pace in buildings with no elevators and be held on the top floor. Oh, people in wheelchairs can't vote in person? Guess they need to get an absentee ballot ...
(end sarcasm)