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Why Does Mitt Romney Want To Restrict Voting Rights For More Than 900,000 Ohio Veterans?

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posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:20 PM
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I could source you a multitude of ACORN youtube videos, but we've all seen them.

Cheating goes on, it's a fact of life in todays politics. Limiting the oppourtunity is about the only way to go. So one day voting for all. Fair and balanced, yeah?

Re; my thread title. Sorry if it offended. Try this one. . .

"Republicans. Do they really swat tiny kittens with kitchen spatulas?"





posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:33 PM
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If it is so easy for you to prove voter fraud...with youtube videos
....Then why haven't all these people been prosecuted and punished???

Oh right...because they are edited youtube videos from right wing groups.



Why do you have an issue with Obama wanting to give everyone the best possible chance to cast their vote???



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:37 PM
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Limiting the opportunity is about the only way to go. So one day voting for all. Fair and balanced, yeah?


Actually, one could argue, that letting others have more days to vote than the rest of the population is being "Unfair and Unbalanced", which is not really a point I myself would push but is a valid argument nonetheless.

Before 2004 Ohio voters, due to the large population, had to wait in line for hours for a chance to vote. Upwards of seven reportedly. Voters attending polls would leave in frustration. That is the main issue, i think.

The new laws made practical sense and increased voter turnout.

Suddenly they are being changed, with no real reason but "stopping voter fraud" which doesn't make a lot of sense when voter fraud is almost non-existent to begin with and a completely impractical way to steal an election anyway.

It IS a transparent attempt to turn the vote in GOP favor.



"Republicans. Do they really swat tiny kittens with kitchen spatulas?"


I am not sure.. surely even republicans like kittens...? Thats no where near the level of being Satan's minions though.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:39 PM
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Originally posted by OutKast Searcher
reply to post by beezzer
 


If it is so easy for you to prove voter fraud...with youtube videos
....Then why haven't all these people been prosecuted and punished???

Oh right...because they are edited youtube videos from right wing groups.



Why do you have an issue with Obama wanting to give everyone the best possible chance to cast their vote???



Why not make it equal? One day. Hell, voter turnout is historically low in the US anyway.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:42 PM
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One day voting has been in effect since forever. Why change?

Oh Okay.

Republicans; Do they really swat tiny kittens with kitchen spatulas while doing jello shots off the tummys of FOX NEWS babes after drinking virgin blood at Palin's house?



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:45 PM
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Why would you want to? It was made 3 days for a reason, in 2004 there were 8 hour long lines and people couldn't vote. I guess if you like limiting the peoples vote then it's great.

JUST CUT MY HANDS OFF WHILE YOU'RE AT IT BEEZER. THEN I WON'T BE ABLE TO PRESS THE TOUCHSCREEN BUTTONS.



posted on Aug, 6 2012 @ 11:50 PM
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Originally posted by RealSpoke
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Why would you want to? It was made 3 days for a reason, in 2004 there were 8 hour long lines and people couldn't vote. I guess if you like limiting the peoples vote then it's great.

JUST CUT MY HANDS OFF WHILE YOU'RE AT IT BEEZER. THEN I WON'T BE ABLE TO PRESS THE TOUCHSCREEN BUTTONS.


Fine. Lets's compromise.

2 days.

I guess if cheaters are going to cheat, one day won't make a difference.

See?

easy-peasy



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 12:02 AM
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Why not make it equal? One day. Hell, voter turnout is historically low in the US anyway.


Because they tried that...and it turned into 7 hour lines to wait in...of course only in the inner city where the vote is mostly for the Democrats.

You think you are slick...just like Romney...propose a fake solution to a real problem.

Why not just keep it the way it has been and let everyone have the opportunity to vote 3 days early???

Oh right...because if you do away with that...then Romney has a better chance of winning.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 12:07 AM
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Veterans love Ron Paul...Hmm...
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 12:07 AM
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Why not just make it 0 days? I mean if it is impossible to vote, then no one can cheat!

Or just admit that voting fraud rarely ever takes place anyway.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 12:09 AM
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Originally posted by sgspecial19
Veterans love Ron Paul...Hmm...
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Veterans are not allowed the extra vote time, I think.


Once you leave the military, you are no longer covered by UOCAVA. Your voting rights are the same as any civilian. That means the early voting law which Mitt Romney wants to undo, provided hundreds of thousands of Ohio veterans with more of an opportunity to vote. By all accounts, Ohio voters liked and used the early voting law.


Think progress
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 12:57 AM
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History repeats itself. The Dems have a history it seems.

"When vote counters arrived Friday in heavily Republican Duval County, five lawyers from the Al Gore camp stood poised to contest virtually every military ballot waiting to be opened. During a 19-hour process that ended Saturday at 4:30 a.m., the Gore team challenged the authenticity of signatures, dates and addresses. They got one Navy lieutenant's ballot thrown out. The officer wrote on the envelope he could not get a postmark on his ship before sending it to Florida. "The big story here is this was a systematic, heavy-handed effort by the Democrats to eliminate absentee military ballots," said Jim Post, a Republican attorney who fought the Gore challenges. "That was clear from the beginning of the day." Mr. Post said he has never seen such a concerted campaign to disqualify overseas ballots."
www.villainouscompany.com... (Just one of the sources.)



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 01:07 AM
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Hey, Beezer. No need to go to YouTube for voter fraud if they don't like it. Just refer them to any news network (except NBC) for the video of the Black Panther voter intimidation video at the polling place. Shouldn't be hard to find. Just have them look up Voter Intimidation 2008 in Philadelphia. Or, they could Google Holder refuses to prosecure New Black Panthers.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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Can you show evidence of voter fraud convictions in the last 10 years?


here's a few....

quite a few in fact


This link has a whole U.S. map full !!
Recent Fraud

here's a couple from Ohio too !!

OH

2008 ACORN activists gave Ohio residents cash and cigarettes in exchange for filling out voter registration card, according to the New York Post. Some voters claim to have registered dozens of times, and one man says he signed up on 72 cards.

2007 A man in Reynoldsburg was indicted on two felony counts of illegal voting and false registration, after being registered by ACORN to vote in two separate counties.

2004 A grand jury indicted a Columbus ACORN worker for submitting a false signature and false voter registration form. In Franklin County, two ACORN workers submitted what the director of the board of election supervisors called “blatantly false” forms. In Cuyahoga County, ACORN and its affiliate Project Vote submitted registration cards that had the highest rate of errors for any voter registration group.
 


and some more.......

If a radical group closely associated with the president of the United States and known for its efforts to undermine American democracy were convicted in a massive voter fraud conspiracy you’d expect to hear something about it from the mainstream media, wouldn’t you? Wrong. Except for the odd FoxNews.com report and a few local reports there has been a media blackout.

On April 6 the Association of Community Organizations for Reform Now (ACORN), that is, the organization itself as opposed to its employees, was convicted in Las Vegas of felony “compensation” for registration of voters. Sentencing is scheduled for August 10. Nevada forbids compensating voter registration canvassers because it creates a financial incentive for fraudulent or sloppy registrations.

Significantly, this is the first time ACORN itself has been convicted of a crime. The fact that the nonprofit entity was found guilty strongly suggests that ACORN’s ambitious voter-fraud schemes were sanctioned at the highest levels.

The conviction came after the 2008 election cycle during which Las Vegas ACORN officials emptied the local jails to fill voter registration canvasser slots and even put individuals convicted of identity theft in charge of the registration drive. At least they hired experts, some locals quipped, according to John Fund of the Wall Street Journal.
ACORN Convicted In Massive Voter Fraud Conspiracy, Legacy Media Yawns
 



Yet another former ACORN employee was convicted of voter fraud last week. This brings the total number of convictions for former workers from the embattled group to at least 15 so far this year.

Kevin L. Clancy of Milwaukee pleaded guilty last week to participating “in a scheme to submit fraudulent voter registration applications,” according to Wisconsin Attorney General J.B. Van Hollen. Clancy admitted to filing multiple voter registration applications for the same individuals and registering himself and other voter registration canvassers to vote multiple times while working on an ACORN voter drive.

Clancy received a 10-month prison term for his crime. Clancy’s sentence will begin when he completes another sentence he is currently serving for armed robbery.

“The integrity of elections is dependent upon citizens and officials insisting they be conducted lawfully,” Van Hollen said. “Wisconsin’s citizens should not have to wonder whether their vote has been negated or diminished by illegally cast ballots.”

So far 2010 has been a banner year for ACORN voter fraud prosecutions.
.. ..The voter fraud hall of shame: Milwaukee voter fraud conviction makes ACORN’s 2010 total at least 15
 


this link has dozens
--->DEMOCRATS Arrested and/or Convicted of Voter Fraud

Do a google for "voter fraud convictions" ...... there's 100's



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 01:38 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
I could source you a multitude of ACORN youtube videos, but we've all seen them.


Yes, the heavily edited videos by O'keef and company that had nothing to do with voter fraud but instead were about prostitution? Acorn submitted about 1 million voter registrations, half them were found to be duplications or copies through secondary checks by officials. None of those votes actually went through in 2008.

There have only been 86 convictions of voter fraud through federal investigations since 2002:

Texas could only account for under 50 actual convictions of voter fraud since 2002:

This out of how many voters cast? Texas alone in 2010 cast 15 million votes. Voter fraud is rare, there are far more UFO sightings than proven voter fraud. Voter impersonation is even less. The fear mongering over voter fraud is just another ploy by rightwingers to modify the voting laws to favour them, it's pathetic. You can sit here and insist that there is nothing to this, but you're smart to figure out that the GOP are doing this to give them more of an edge in the elections.
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posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 02:15 AM
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Originally posted by Southern Guardian

Originally posted by beezzer
I could source you a multitude of ACORN youtube videos, but we've all seen them.


Yes, the heavily edited videos by O'keef and company that had nothing to do with voter fraud but instead were about prostitution? Acorn submitted about 1 million voter registrations, half them were found to be duplications or copies through secondary checks by officials. None of those votes actually went through in 2008.

There have only been 86 convictions of voter fraud through federal investigations since 2002:

Texas could only account for under 50 actual convictions of voter fraud since 2002:

This out of how many voters cast? Texas alone in 2010 cast 15 million votes. Voter fraud is rare, there are far more UFO sightings than proven voter fraud. Voter impersonation is even less. The fear mongering over voter fraud is just another ploy by rightwingers to modify the voting laws to favour them, it's pathetic. You can sit here and insist that there is nothing to this, but you're smart to figure out that the GOP are doing this to give them more of an edge in the elections.
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But as you just posted, voter fraud ATTEMPT occurs at at alarming rate. It's just that most are thrown out.

Why does the left want a larger oppourtunity to have the attempts be made?



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 03:28 AM
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Originally posted by beezzer
But as you just posted, voter fraud ATTEMPT occurs at at alarming rate.


No it doesn't. As I've demonstrated, Texas for example could only account for less than 50 proven cases of voter fraud since 2002, these convictions include voter fraud attempts. They are not occuring at an alarming rate, there's no data showing this, only alarmist claims that amount to nothing.
www.politifact.com...

Actual proven voter fraud or voter fraud attempts are rarely found, voter impersonation even less so:

There are “very few documented cases,” said UC-Irvine professor and election law specialist Rick Hasen. “When you do see election fraud, it invariably involves election officials taking steps to change election results or it involves absentee ballots which voter ID laws can’t prevent,” he said.

www.propublica.org...

There's not real gain through voter impersonation, it is difficult for individuals to effectively influence an election through voter impersonation to the point that it is rare. You say there's smoke, I don't see any, I do see an attempt to make it harder for certain segments of then population to vote for political gain.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 03:39 AM
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Just to further my point on Texas for example when it comes to proven voter fraud:

Only two cases are described as “voter impersonation” on the list. Whether voter impersonation is a standing problem has been a hot button in the state’s legislative debates over proposed voter ID laws in 2005, 2007, 2009 and 2011

www.politifact.com...

Yep, only two of those 50 or so convictions were actual proven cases of voter impersonation in Texas, since 2002. Texas has more than 15 million registered voters, spread that out over a 10 year period. Voter fraud is rare, voter impersonation is more so. There is no evidence proving that voter fraud attempts occur at an alarming rate, none. Just alarmist nonsense.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:08 AM
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Twelve thousand noncitizens registered to vote in Colorado; apparently 5,000 of those voted in 2010. A recent report in North Carolina by James O'Keefe's Project Veritas (of ACORN-undercover expose` fame) compared records of registered voters to prospective jurors disqualified due to noncitizenship, but who then voted in North Carolina in 2010. The State of Florida is suing the Department of Homeland Security to obtain a list of noncitizens in order to purge the state's voter rolls before the 2012 election, and was just sued in return by the Barack Obama-Eric Holder Department of Justice with a lawsuit for purging its rolls, which is required by federal law.


www.usnews.com...

Denial is not a river in Egypt.



posted on Aug, 7 2012 @ 04:31 AM
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Let's look at that 2010 Colorado case:

In his statement before Congress, Gessler was able to say they were only “nearly certain that 106 individuals are improperly registered to vote.” Cole explained the 5,000 number arose from individuals who were identified as being ineligible to vote at the time they obtained their driver’s license.

www.greeleygazette.com...

Gessler came out and admitted that there wasn't 5,000 suspected cases of voter fraud, but 106 suspected cases of voter fraud. To this day that Colorado investigation is still inconclusive, we're still waiting for the actual proven number of voter fraud and voter fraud convictions.

There's a big difference between making an accusation of voter fraud, and actually proving it. You fellas seem to lack any significant evidence of the latter. Anybody can go out and claim that 100,000 illegal immigrants or dead people voted in an election, it's proving that it actually happened that is what counts. Here's some more gems for you:


In New Hampshire in 2004, citizens were alleged to have voted twice. In fact, on further investigation, many of the voters who were allegedly listed multiple times on the rolls actually represented different people with identical names; others were listed with multiple registrations, but voted only once. We are not aware of any public materials substantiating the claims of double voting.

In New Jersey in 2004, 4,397 voters were alleged to have voted twice within the state, and 6,572 voters were alleged to have voted once in New Jersey and once elsewhere.75 Many of these alleged double votes were actually flawed matches of names and/or birthdates on voter rolls.76 Only eight cases were actually documented through signatures on poll books


...and the list goes on:
www.truthaboutfraud.org...

Denial is not a river Egypt alright.




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