Do you think every person who was born from the work of a fertility clinic is a miracle?
Paul said Jesus was in the form of god. I think the only persons who would be "in the form of God" would be a god.
I don't think those two things are related. Being in the form of God, and being made in the image of God. Jesus was not "made" in that form, he just was. Jesus was made into a human, from what he was before, which was the son of God.
The OT also mentions something about humans being created in the "image of God", but it doesn't mean that Adam was a god.
You are over anylizing, the quote is not "directed" at anyone, just decided to start adding that as an extra.
Jesus was not "made" in that form, he just was. Jesus was made into a human, from what he was before, which was the son of God.
God, but what that means does not become significant until he actually becomes a man.
Well, who exactly had Jesus make that transition from his pre-existent form to his physical form (starting from an embryo)
Sk0rpi0n, do you really think that God would hand over the reigns of heaven to someone who wasn't divine from the beginning?
Do you really think it's a coincidence that the Qu'ran is practically a forgery of the Bible, with the exception that Jesus' deity has been removed from it?
What explanation do you have for that? Do you not see prophecy coming true from what's written in the Bible?
So, what makes you think that God would give Jesus charge of everything without him being divine?
Or the jews would have understood the messiah to be divine from their own scriptures.
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The flesh is totally separate from the Spirit until one acknowledges Jesus as the HEAVENLY Son of God, the only being perfect enough to wipe out all sin. Adam would never have come close to representing perfection. Further, the reincarnation link keeps trying to point to the similarities of Adam and Jesus being "the first and the last". If there was really a "first and last" theme running throughout the entire Bible, wouldn't it make sense that Jesus' lineage would have come through Adam and Eve's first son instead of their third son?
Jesus referred to himself using the phrase "Adam Kadmon" [Son of Man] to refer to the heavenly apocalyptic figure who is to come. Paul used the phrase "Adam Kadmon" as the archetypal man created in God's image who was the first and perfect representative of humanity who would return at the end of time and restore all things.
Adam: "the son of Seth, the son of Adam, the son of God." (Luke 3:38) Jesus: "I believe that you are the Christ, the son of God." (John 11:27)
Adam: "The Lord God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." (Gen. 2:7) Jesus: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature" (Col. 1:14-15) Adam ("ben elohim") is translated as "Son of God". This means Adam is first born to God.
Adam: "Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the Earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground." (Gen. 1:28) Jesus: "These are the words of the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the ruler of God's creation." (Rev. 3:14)
Psychiatrist Ian Stevenson, from the University of Virginia, investigated many reports of young children who claimed to remember a past life. He conducted more than 2,500 case studies over a period of 40 years and published twelve books, including Twenty Cases Suggestive of Reincarnation and Where Reincarnation and Biology Intersect. Stevenson methodically documented each child's statements and then identified the deceased person the child identified with, and verified the facts of the deceased person's life that matched the child's memory. He also matched birthmarks and birth defects to wounds and scars on the deceased, verified by medical records such as autopsy photographs, in Reincarnation and Biology. Stevenson searched for disconfirming evidence and alternative explanations for the reports, and believed that his strict methods ruled out all possible "normal" explanations for the child’s memories. However, a significant majority of Stevenson's reported cases of reincarnation originated in Eastern societies, where dominant religions often permit the concept of reincarnation. Following this type of criticism, Stevenson published a book on European Cases of the Reincarnation Type. Other people who have undertaken reincarnation research include Jim B. Tucker, Satwant Pasricha, Godwin Samararatne, and Erlendur Haraldsson.
Jesus: "Who is the image of the invisible God, the first-born of every creature" (Col. 1:14-15)
Originally posted by sk0rpi0n
The messiah was never defined as being divine in the first place. Or the jews would have understood the messiah to be divine from their own scriptures.
Christianity is rooted in Hebrew concepts. And it basically stole Hebrew concepts of a human messiah and redefined it to mean "messiah" meant some kind of divine status.