White students forced to stay at failing school

They want all the enthic groups to leave and the white kids to stay, so they can have a base of white kids to start over new with and get better grades.

IMO

Originally posted by openlocks
I think all of this could be squashed by asking everyone in this debate to post up their IP-addresses. I will bet that the majority of proponents shouting "racism against whites!" in this thread live in rural/suburbia America. They probably aren't actually even aware of the realities of inner city life. Opinions are like... well you know.

Ooooohhhhh! You mean like the Obama phone app where we can identify our non-socialist neighbors?

I am SHOCKED at how many people not only INSIST on making a race issue out of something that isn't but seem to revel in it!

THIS IS NOT RACIAL

THIS IS NOT ABOUT THE SCHOOL

THIS IS NOT ABOUT LOUISIANA

Geeze.... I think people a couple websites over heard me, GOOD though. pages and pages of race baiting, bitching and generally swimming in this garbage.

* No Child Left Behind is where the failing grade came from, giving the parents a choice for transfer. THIS IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM, STANDARDS AND MANDATE. THIS IS NOT LOUISIANA,

* School Desegregation is about making racial parity by sheer racist number across the schools. See what happens? This case is text book RACISM from what started as a good idea. THIS IS A FEDERAL PROGRAM, STANDARDS AND MANDATE, THIS IS NOT LOUISIANA.


Now, I guess you people can all just go back to wallowing in racism when the story isn't even ABOUT racism beyond how the LAWS no one can CHANGE apparently...CONFLICT with each other over RACE. Federal mandates conflict....and the state is caught in the middle. The school is caught in the middle. They have NO choice. The feds ORDER both laws here...and hell with everyone when they actually DIRECTLY conflict with each other. That isn't the Fed's problem...It's the state's problem. Just look at this case. The Feds don't care.

Acutally, I didn't notice that this is in Louisiana. There's an added issue here:

To pass the 4th and 8th grade, there's a test you have to pass. Problem is that there's kids who fail it, often deliberately. Why should they study? It only holds them back 1 year, each time. If you're coming through your 2nd time at that test, you don't apply yourself because it means nothing to where you're going. this is above and beyond federal law, this particular test.

And every teacher I know is frustrated with the way the system is running. What would be a good school, without that test, is failing, or threatened with being labeled a failed school.

Besides, we've got the right to make our own home a school, for the purpose of homeschooling. That paper can't do crap about it.

Originally posted by jheated5
Maybe the white kids have higher test scores and they are trying to get a passing grade by sending all the failures to other schools??? I don't know, just another way of looking at it.... Call me racist I don't care

That's probably what it is. After all, why not keep all students there, and just change the "teachers" to improve the education system?

It must be that they don't think that the teachers are the problem. They believe that the "environment" is unfavorable to some students and are trying to give them a chance to find somewhere else that they might find more effective in educating them. They are only offering those who are struggling a chance to change.

So, you could interpret this in many ways. Have faith that they are trying to do the right thing.

how much more racist can it be.

it is clearly saying if your kid is white he cannot attend either school.

it is leaving absolutely no room for misinterpretation, it is even italicized.

Originally posted by Larrelye
reply to post by jheated5

 

The demographics of the school are 50/50. If all the white students are making A's and the non whites F's then the average would be a C. The average is an F. It appears that all students are doing poorly.

ETA: If they are sending black kids away to up the school's score, that is racist. If they are forcing white kids to stay in a failing school and allowing non white students to transfer. That is racist. Either way, what's being done is wrong.

edit on 6-8-2012 by Larrelye because: (no reason given)

Im confused, the pie graph shows 50/50 but when you look down at the actual numbers it shows "white 103" and "black 461". The numbers are far from 50/50. Whats going on here?

reply to post by SaltireWarrior


Yes. With "No Child Left Behind" teachers are forced to teach to the lowest kids in the class. The upper ones are stagnantly doing busy work while those who don't care, have no parental support, or are just plain slow eat up all the staff resources. SPED kids are required to be in regular education 80% of the day now. People who get on teachers need to understand that it is very difficult to teach a group of 28 kids with 60-160 IQs in the same classroom. The special education kids at my local school actually outperformed the minority block. Now, how bad is that?

Originally posted by mjfromga
reply to post by SaltireWarrior

 

Yes. With "No Child Left Behind" teachers are forced to teach to the lowest kids in the class. The upper ones are stagnantly doing busy work while those who don't care, have no parental support, or are just plain slow eat up all the staff resources. SPED kids are required to be in regular education 80% of the day now. People who get on teachers need to understand that it is very difficult to teach a group of 28 kids with 60-160 IQs in the same classroom. The special education kids at my local school actually outperformed the minority block. Now, how bad is that?

I would applaud you if I could.

NCLB really means No Child Gets Ahead

Originally posted by RealSpoke
reply to post by getreadyalready

 

Yeah, because we all know white kids are all little angels that get good grades.

The white children are the extreme minority in this school. Their ratings are not going to make a difference.

It's about individuals and the ability of parents of any race to secure a decent education for their child. Any atttempt to say "white people deserve it" because of the South's past is the extreme of intolerance and hatred based on stereotype, prejudice, and skin color.
The individual children must pay and "social justice" must be enacted. The federal government is surely justified in controlling and limiting any individual's rights in the odious name of "Progress".

"Progressivism" is the ultimate form of Orwellian doublespeak as it strenuously reflects extremely backward and destructive thinking.

Originally posted by getreadyalready
reply to post by Larrelye

 

It says "desegregation," but what it really means is that in order for all 3 schools to get passing grades next year, they have to homogenize the academic make up of the students. This could be interpreted lots of different ways, and any way that I might say it would sound racist, so I'll just refer to the letter itself and say that the "white" students are not allowed to transfer, because that would only exasperate the problem and make the failing school even worse and the passing schools even better. If they make the white kids stay put, and only allow the black kids to transfer, then apparently they hope that will make the school have a passing grade.

That is how I read the letter anyway. And this isn't a dig on genetics or intelligence, but there are some clear cultural problems that appear to create issues for minorities in public schools. Maybe it is single-parent households, or maybe it is transportation, or maybe it is standardized testing, poverty, I don't know, but it looks like they want more white kids and less black kids in that school to fix their problem.

ahh op almost fooled me
thanks

debunked by getreadyalready.

I'm calling fake on this one. There is no way that a school district could force me to keep my children in any school I didn't want them in. That's just either fake or parents are weak to let something like that happen to them. If you really love your children you fight for them and force schools to do what you want. If you apply enough pressure you can accomplish this. I speak from experience.

Originally posted by coop039

Originally posted by Larrelye
reply to post by jheated5

 

The demographics of the school are 50/50. If all the white students are making A's and the non whites F's then the average would be a C. The average is an F. It appears that all students are doing poorly.

ETA: If they are sending black kids away to up the school's score, that is racist. If they are forcing white kids to stay in a failing school and allowing non white students to transfer. That is racist. Either way, what's being done is wrong.

edit on 6-8-2012 by Larrelye because: (no reason given)

Im confused, the pie graph shows 50/50 but when you look down at the actual numbers it shows "white 103" and "black 461". The numbers are far from 50/50. Whats going on here?

The graphic fooled me. Another source shows the numbers as correct, not the graph.

reply to post by DerepentLEstranger


How was it debunked? Getreadyalready always has fantastic points and he simply stated that they are attempting to manipulate the scores by shifting students. Which is one of several important issues that this letter brings up and one of the reasons it was posted for discussion. Shifting students does not attempt to solve the problems of a failing school system.

Originally posted by amazing
I'm calling fake on this one. There is no way that a school district could force me to keep my children in any school I didn't want them in. That's just either fake or parents are weak to let something like that happen to them. If you really love your children you fight for them and force schools to do what you want. If you apply enough pressure you can accomplish this. I speak from experience.

The Huffington Post reported it and the school readily admits it. It is not the school, the parish, or the state, but an old desegregation law that forces the school to allow or disallow the transfers based on race. I agree the parents should take additional action including attempting to have these types of laws removed and to work as a community to locate and address the issues that caused the school to be in such poor shape to begin with.

This is just disgusting this anti-white racism needs to stop.

reply to post by James1982

You posted statistics, that's what I said in my previous post doesn't mean anything. It's irrelevant. I asked you to show a law, rule, regulation, anything that is discriminatory against minorities.

You clearly do not know what institutionalized racism even means then. Of course there are not laws that say blacks need not apply anymore, that is illegal. The facts are not irrelevant because it shows discrimination against minorities all throughout society. It is a fact, get over it.

the minority will have way more financial help than the white person.

Uh, no they will not. Some could, but so could some white people. You live in an imaginary world where minorities are just given money. And what does a salary at a PRIVATE company have to do with financial help?

A minority can apply and get loans and grants from anywhere that a white person can.

And they are less likely to get the loan, if they do they get a higher interest rate on average. What is so hard to understand?

the minority will have MORE help because there are additional loans and grants he/she can get that the white person, because of their race, cannot.

A male cannot apply for a women scholarship or loan, are you seriously going to say that women are put at an advantage in the workplace? CLEARLY not that case. You're choosing to live in a fantasy.

reply to post by Nite_wing


Because of the genetic ties to Africa. Culture and genetics are two different things.

reply to post by Propulsion


Where have I ever said anything anti-white, ever? Or anything even racist. You cannot name one thing, because it doesn't exist.

Please tell me you would have NO problem with the switch I made to the following….

Uhhh, the first post in this thread was me dissing this program...The law doesn't focus on white people, it focuses on any minority group in the school...this case, it was white people. I don't think the state should be able to tell anyone where they should go to school, why would I agree with this?

reply to post by WildWorld

So just because a black persons great great great great grandfather was African does not make him have any cultural connection to Africa?

YES. A genetic tie, not cultural. Blacks in America have a BLACK AMERICAN culture, with genetic ties to Africa.

The USA is not Africa, or Germany, or Ireland, Or Uruguay. It is America with its own culture